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It's an understandable mixup considering that servers have a lot more RAM, RDIMMs (or FBDIMMs) use a lot more power, and if your old servers were old enough to use DDR2 or DDR1 then between higher current and higher voltage your wattage goes up substantially from that too.

Standard DDR3-1600 @ 1.5V is about 2.5-3W for an 8GB DIMM and DDR4 is going to be less though, from what I am seeing.

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People don't need to connect to the internet to get on the internet. So we replaced the eth0 up command to actually connect you to a loopback device that replies to ever single packet with a "nice!" and "Rick and Morty is a good show"
Considering what people on the internet, outside of SA, are getting up to.. I'm not sure this is a bad idea, if I can replace those two phrases with the number 42 and Dune quotes.

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Look at me I am wrong on the internet. I was remembering back to anecdotal evidence from 5? Years ago now where upgrading ram in a rack of servers caused them to blow breakers. We had added amps to the rack by doubling the dimm count. Guess it was a red herring or voltages/types have dropped dramatically in wattage. Could have also been that they were able to work harder so their cpus drew more power?

Now I know.

I thought you were actually being facetious. I didn't know off the top of my head how much power DIMMs drew (I looked it up and found the ~3 W value which sounds about right,) but I knew it was obviously the lowest amount of all the components in that system. It's basically CPU>mobo>HDDs>RAM, with an SSD somewhere at the end there and I'm not even going to bother looking that up.

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I thought you were actually being facetious. I didn't know off the top of my head how much power DIMMs drew (I looked it up and found the ~3 W value which sounds about right,) but I knew it was obviously the lowest amount of all the components in that system. It's basically CPU>mobo>HDDs>RAM, with an SSD somewhere at the end there and I'm not even going to bother looking that up.

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Okay, I have another question. I am not sure unraid is for me, and freenas just looks like a fancy web UI on top of FreeBSD. Is there any reason I shouldn't just use a Linux Distro for a NAS box? Are the dedicated NAS stuff better at memory management? Are there features I need like ZFS? I just want a dedicated box for storage and Plex. I'm thinking of just using CentOS with mdadm.

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Okay, I have another question. I am not sure unraid is for me, and freenas just looks like a fancy web UI on top of FreeBSD. Is there any reason I shouldn't just use a Linux Distro for a NAS box? Are the dedicated NAS stuff better at memory management? Are there features I need like ZFS? I just want a dedicated box for storage and Plex. I'm thinking of just using CentOS with mdadm.

If you're good with Linux there's no performance benefit to unRAID.

There are QOL improvements though. For example you can mix and match your storage, community plugins based on docker, tiered cache drive system.

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Okay, thanks, the community stuff does sound interesting as does the cache, I will try it out then.

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It comes down a lot to what you're going to do with the server and what tools you're comfortable with. Between work labs and personal gear, I've got one box running Ubuntu + ZFS + Docker, one running FreeNAS + ZFS, and one running Windows Server 2016 + Drivepool. They've all got their pros and cons and I'm happy with each of them for what I'm using them for.

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Okay, I have another question. I am not sure unraid is for me, and freenas just looks like a fancy web UI on top of FreeBSD. Is there any reason I shouldn't just use a Linux Distro for a NAS box? Are the dedicated NAS stuff better at memory management? Are there features I need like ZFS? I just want a dedicated box for storage and Plex. I'm thinking of just using CentOS with mdadm.

I just run Ubuntu Server 18.04 + zfs, rtorrent+rutorrent/ Plex/ Sonarr/ Nzbget.

Runs great, easy to maintain with SSH, new plex update comes out, download and dpkg -i and it updates within a minute. FreeNAS plex updates are rolled out slowly due to being from the ports stuff. Hardware transcoding just works in linux no problem vs trickery in FreeNAS. What cpu are you going for? I use an Xeon 1245 V2, 16gb ECC ram 8TB of storage, need to upgrade that soon. I used FreeNAS for awhile and then i switched to Ubuntu after all the headaches i had with trying to update certain plugins because the plugin system is easy to use but is not updated nearly quick enough as the tools actually push updates out for.

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I just run Ubuntu Server 18.04 + zfs, rtorrent+rutorrent/ Plex/ Sonarr/ Nzbget.

Runs great, easy to maintain with SSH, new plex update comes out, download and dpkg -i and it updates within a minute. FreeNAS plex updates are rolled out slowly due to being from the ports stuff. Hardware transcoding just works in linux no problem vs trickery in FreeNAS. What cpu are you going for? I use an Xeon 1245 V2, 16gb ECC ram 8TB of storage, need to upgrade that soon. I used FreeNAS for awhile and then i switched to Ubuntu after all the headaches i had with trying to update certain plugins because the plugin system is easy to use but is not updated nearly quick enough as the tools actually push updates out for.
I have a small PC I am just going to add storage to, it has 16GB of ram and an I3. Your response is pretty much what In thought, I use Linux daily so something with a web UI is not really necessary and seems more of an impediment in case I need something specific. I think a small OS drive on an SSD and then MDADM for the two storage drives is what I am leaning toward. Obviously not a server class CPU, but I think I will only be using one stream at a time and really minimal file transfers besides that. It's mainly just storage for stuff I don't want to sit using space on my PC SSD.

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Okay, I have another question. I am not sure unraid is for me, and freenas just looks like a fancy web UI on top of FreeBSD. Is there any reason I shouldn't just use a Linux Distro for a NAS box? Are the dedicated NAS stuff better at memory management? Are there features I need like ZFS? I just want a dedicated box for storage and Plex. I'm thinking of just using CentOS with mdadm.

Look into ProxMox, it's what I used for my new setup and it's pretty dang cool. It does ZFS if you want it, but otherwise whatever Debian supports if you don't.

Run everything in LXC containers, with one of them being Turnkey Fileserver (there's a default template in the ProxMox library). Then one for Plex, SABnzbd, etc.

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Yes, use containers, be specific about your volume mounts to isolate what you need to keep between upgrades, and let your stuff upgrade mostly without issue. Meanwhile I’m a crazy man that’s working on a Kubernetes based home media cluster looking into different storage options with the ZFS server either collocated with the storage service pod or external to the cluster. Maybe it’s just me but I know one heck of a lot more about Kubernetes than Proxmox and how it works with containers so i’d be more comfortable driving around with kubectl than the OroxMox GUI where I have to stare at every other option presented before I nuke my pods on accident. I mean just Google Kubernetes and Google ProxMox - way, way more people work on and with K8S than ProxMox (or arguably Debian by this point).

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So, I'm looking for some help with Freenas. I just built a box, using parts from my old desktop and new HDDs (plus HBA).

However, it's locking up at least once a day, and I am not seeing ANY way to diagnose what the hell is causing it. dmesg has absolutely nothing logged for hours prior to it dying, the directly attached display is also frozen with no errors. I was messing around with VMs and jails at first, but I shut down both and the issue still happened. Also ripped out the GPU and ran the box headless, no help. The only thing this box is currently doing is pulling files off my ancient NAS over ethernet, via NFS, when it crashes.

I'm pretty frustrated now, I have no idea where to even start diagnosing this further. Is there some other logs I could be missing? Some sort of way I can try to narrow this down more?

Running on a Threadripper 1920X if it matters. Tempted to just toss in the towel and go either unRAID (but the parity/speed there makes me uncomfortable) or just custom linux (I really wanted something more hands off than this, but...).

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Run memtest? Hard locks like that are usually a hardware fault.

I'll give it a shot for giggles, but the CPU/Mobo/RAM was part of my desktop for a year with no real issues. Maybe Freenas is tickling it in just the right way? I dunno. Thanks.

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I'll give it a shot for giggles, but the CPU/Mobo/RAM was part of my desktop for a year with no real issues. Maybe Freenas is tickling it in just the right way? I dunno. Thanks.

When I was doing my Ryzen build and deciding on what system to use a big takeaway was that it doesn't play nicely with freebsd. If it is causing issues with freenas then it is worth trying a different system and if that doesn't cause issues it probably is more a freebsd issue.

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When I was doing my Ryzen build and deciding on what system to use a big takeaway was that it doesn't play nicely with freebsd. If it is causing issues with freenas then it is worth trying a different system and if that doesn't cause issues it probably is more a freebsd issue.

I guess. To chime in to the discussion you all seemed to be in the middle of, is there a good Linux NAS package? I was hoping to have something that would just manage itself (health checks, web UI, the usual NAS stuff) rather than just setting up my own Linux install and shares.

As an aside: Memtest86 just completed its first full pass without errors. I'll leave it overnight but it's looking unlikely for it to be a CPU/RAM/Mobo issue. Although I could see Freenas having conflicts for sure, just wish it was giving me a panic message, or anything! Very frustrating.

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Now that I think about it some more... I did have the same behavior with an ECS/AMD mini itx board and pfsense. It would run any other is fine for weeks on end, but anything FreeBSD based and it'd be down in hours with no error.

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I guess. To chime in to the discussion you all seemed to be in the middle of, is there a good Linux NAS package? I was hoping to have something that would just manage itself (health checks, web UI, the usual NAS stuff) rather than just setting up my own Linux install and shares.
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I guess. To chime in to the discussion you all seemed to be in the middle of, is there a good Linux NAS package? I was hoping to have something that would just manage itself (health checks, web UI, the usual NAS stuff) rather than just setting up my own Linux install and shares.

As an aside: Memtest86 just completed its first full pass without errors. I'll leave it overnight but it's looking unlikely for it to be a CPU/RAM/Mobo issue. Although I could see Freenas having conflicts for sure, just wish it was giving me a panic message, or anything! Very frustrating.

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Yeah, I've been extremely happy with UnRAID. Setup took less than an hour and it's been rock solid for the last month or so I've had it running. It's been a few years since I've run FreeNAS, but this is light years better than that experience.

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Unraid Q: I have a 256GB ssd in there now as cache, it seems to be slow at moving things out. I get “cache drive low!” Notifications sometimes and manually tell it to start movin’. Perhaps I should reduce the number of shares using cache? It’s mainly a media server box with some torrenting, probably not anything that really requires a cache anyway.

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Nthing UnRaid, totally happy with the experience.

Unraid Q: I have a 256GB ssd in there now as cache, it seems to be slow at moving things out. I get “cache drive low!” Notifications sometimes and manually tell it to start movin’. Perhaps I should reduce the number of shares using cache? It’s mainly a media server box with some torrenting, probably not anything that really requires a cache anyway.

Appdata and domains(vms) are usually I think cache only. Take a look at your containers persistent volumes. Plex for example will gobble up tons of disk space for generating thumbnails of all things.

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I will dissent these opinions and say that I am a hanger-on for FreeNAS because once it is setup, months or longer pass before I even have to think about it again.

I will say that FreeNAS jails (and iocage) are a silly mess, and that UnRAID's ability to do Docker stuff probably makes it far superior. Luckily I moved away from jails to greener pastures some time ago.

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I think I've made it quite plain that I prefer FreeBSD over FreeNAS for numerous reasons over the years of posting in this thread, but perhaps I can offer a bit of insight into why it might be that the situation with jails is like it is, at least as I see it:
One of the problems with jails is that unfortunately the existing out-of-tree tools like iocage, cbsd, ezjails, warden, and similar behave as if they are the only solution to manage jails - and unfortunately their creators have never really made an effort to get the functionality they invent up-stream into the base utilities like jail(8) and jail.conf(5). There may or may not be someone working on fixing this.
Realistically nowadays, unless you're doing large jail deployments and need orchestration, you don't actually need any of those tools and can do everything with the two things in base that I mentioned before.

Having said all that, I also wish that the docker-on-jails implementation had been finished, because that has at least some use as far as integrating FreeBSD into existing Linux enviroments - but on the other hand, Linux is so fast-moving that the docker-on-jails implementation effort might've been wasted now that kubernetes appears to be taking over, so maybe someone will pick that up instead and finish it? Or maybe something new will be invented before? I don't see an easy solution to that problem, unfortunately. Maybe if people developing for Linux learned that Linux isn't supposed to be synonymous with vendor-lockin?

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One thing that was a consideration item for me was that Plex does not support hardware transcoding on FreeBSD; it's Windows or Linux only. If your processor supports Quicksync, this can be really useful if you and your spouse have 4k (or even 1080p) media that you want to watch at the same time on your phones on a plane (or other bandwidth limited areas), for example. It is technically "worse" than the software transcoder and does require a Plex Pass ($$). Just a data point to consider. It does work perfectly using GPU passthrough in an LXC container.

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Plex actually just added hardware transcoding on FreeBSD. Of course, I had to support the little guy and went with Emby, but it’s a sign that it can be done now.

I’ll say outside of the warden jails to corral docker to warden jails to iocage jails mess (which hopefully is the last bandaid to rip), I’ve had zero issues with my freenas setup. I’ve not janitored anything else since it was built. Now that the new UI is more or less in place and jail management is settled it seems like what little drama there was is fully over.

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How hard is it to get hardware transcoding working in plex if plex is in a docker? I would need to find a low profile GPU I think too, but I would love to add something like this to my N54L.

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I’ll say outside of the warden jails to corral docker to warden jails to iocage jails mess (which hopefully is the last bandaid to rip), I’ve had zero issues with my freenas setup. I’ve not janitored anything else since it was built. Now that the new UI is more or less in place and jail management is settled it seems like what little drama there was is fully over.

Same. The jail thing was a loving mess, but everything else has been perfectly fine with my FreeNAS setup for years. And since the only thing I really do with jails is Plex and Transmission--neither of which really big brother contestants nude need to stay super up-to-date (especially since I have a E3-1230, so transcoding isn't an issue), I've mostly just ignored it.

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How hard is it to get hardware transcoding working in plex if plex is in a docker? I would need to find a low profile GPU I think too, but I would love to add something like this to my N54L.

Not hard at all. Basically the same process as LXC, install the drivers on your base OS and use passthrough to the container. If your CPU supports Quicksync you might see additional benefit with a discrete GPU but it's probably not required unless you're doing a bunch of 4k HEVC transcodes.

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Yeah my cpu is a 2.2Ghz AMD dual core that can't be trusted to transcode 720p. I'm not finding enough (any) people who have accomplished this in my exact situation, so I might just buy a Shield if I find a good black friday deal instead of trying to find a cheap low profile GPU that will both work in XPenology and Docker Plex.

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I have an n40l which is the 1.5ghz variant and aside from some actions taking longer than a faster machine it does everything I need with the shield.

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