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Are movies generally getting longer?

When I was growing up in the late 80s/early 90s I thought a film was typically 90 minutes long but nowadays it seems like most of the films I see are 2 hours plus and a rising number go into a third hour. I'm thinking that it could be when I was a kid I watched movies aimed at a younger audience and they were probably deliberately shorter than adult features or maybe I just happened to see a lot of long films recently but anyway, am I alone in thinking this?

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I think in the German version Kinski's character is dubbed by someone else.

Kinski dubbed himself in the German version. Think about it, a very distinct sounding German actor being dubbed in German by someone else, it makes no sense.

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Lot 49 posted:

Are movies generally getting longer?
... am I alone in thinking this?
Not alone at all. I think one reason is CG. Seems that in movies with lots of action and SFX, battles and chase scenes get extended as the effects go from the unlikely to the impossible. And the cumulative effect of increasing the length of each action scene by a few minutes results in a movie being an extra half hour long.

It often bugs me because CG is usually obvious, and while the cars jump off ramps and bridges and roofs, or the army increases their firepower against a monster, the plot has come to a standstill and we have to wait for the CG to conclude in order to get back to the forward motion of the storyline.

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Lot 49 posted:

Are movies generally getting longer?

When I was growing up in the late 80s/early 90s I thought a film was typically 90 minutes long but nowadays it seems like most of the films I see are 2 hours plus and a rising number go into a third hour. I'm thinking that it could be when I was a kid I watched movies aimed at a younger audience and they were probably deliberately shorter than adult features or maybe I just happened to see a lot of long films recently but anyway, am I alone in thinking this?

Comedy films and childrens films tend to be shorter than "adult" films, and it's much more likely that, when you're younger, you'll see more of the former than the latter.

And, whilst it's not exactly stunning evidence, a quick trip through my film collection had the shortest, modern, non-comedy at 99 minutes, and if you're talking 80's/90's then we've got big films pushing two hours, two and a half hours or more. The Alien films, the Terminator films, the Batman films, Jurassic Park, Forrest Gump, all kinds of things off the top of my head.

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I just saw Chinatown for the first time.

Is The Two Jakes worth seeing, or was it just Nicholson needing money to buy another mansion?

The Two Jakes is not as good as Chinatown, but it's still worth seeing, especially if you liked Chinatown and want a similar vibe. James Robinson, a comic book writer I like a lot, actually says it's better than the original, but I wouldn't go that far. Plus Tom Waits has a tiny cameo as a cop.

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For you older goons, I've always been interested about peoples thoughts regarding the original little girl sex slave Star Wars (A New Hope) when it was being shown in theaters, back in 77.

How long did it take to become a huge phenomenon after its initial release? Was there alot of hype and advertising for it, or did it just kinda pop up outta nowhere? Was it the most awesome thing you ever saw or did you think it was a bit overrated?

Remember, this is 1977 - no internet, no home consoles (Atari 2600 had just been launched), no VCRs. For fun kids played with action figures, went to the movies and read comic books. Since Lucas had kept the rights for all that crap, that was his advertising. You could not go into any store without seeing Star Wars stuff.

There wasn't a ton of hype for movies like you get now. For almost all movies there was some newspaper ads and maybe magazine articles the month of the release, then ads on TV the week it came out - no months of hype like today. The movies had to stand on their own. Word of mouth could make or break a movie, and if you didn't catch it in the theater you were screwed.

On May 20, 1977, Variety (5 days before its release): "Star Wars is a magnificent film. George Lucas set out to make the biggest possible adventure-fantasy out of his memories of serials and older action epics, and he has succeeded brilliantly. What Lucas lacks in originality is more than made up by enthralling special effects." Star Wars' opening day totaled $ 254,309 from just 32 theaters. It's first weekend box-office gross equaled $ 1.5 million. By the end of its first theatrical run, Star Wars was the most successful film in North American history with a gross in excess of $ 307.2 million.


So to answer your questions - there was a lot of hype and advertising for it (in a roundabout way) and it was most awesome thing ever seen. Compare it to other sci-fi movies of its time (before Star Wars was released). And we're still talking about it today.

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Has the unaltered Star Wars been released on DVD? That may be the biggest/most popular movie not yet released on DVD.

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Has the unaltered Star Wars been released on DVD? That may be the biggest/most popular movie not yet released on DVD.

They were released 2 or 3 years ago. You get them on a disk with both the enhanced and the classic versions on them. You can get them pretty cheaply these days. Best Buy has them for 15bux right now.

I had a question, What was the First movie to have a nationwide release, assuming it would be something like the Wizard of Oz or Gone With the Wind, or even Birth of a Nation. I checked around, it was loving JAWS.

What? It took nearly 80 years for Hollywood to release a movie nationally? Apparently, until the Jaws release, moves opened in one market and slowly spread across the country. if i were lucky enough to live in LA or New York, you could see The Godfather when it was first released. If you lived in the Cleve or Lubbock texas, it could take up to a year for it to get to you.

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Word of mouth could make or break a movie, and if you didn't catch it in the theater you were screwed.

This last line got me thinking and made me realize something, In this day and age we take the availability of movies for granted. I grew up in the early eighties when VCRs, video stores, and movie channels were just getting started but shortly before then you really had to see movies in theaters if you wanted to see them at all. Sure some movies would re-air on T.V. and some drive ins and local theaters would show older films but for many movies you had one chance to see them.

The average running time of a movie back then could be many months if not a year but after they were gone you had to luck out to see them again or for the first time if you missed it. Today if we want to watch an old classic like Ghostbusters again you can rent it, download it, get it On Demand, rent it at a local video store, Netflix it, simply go somewhere and buy your own copy, or just wait and sooner or later it will play on one of the hundreds of channels on T.V.. Imagine wanting to see that movie again and having to wait for a local theater to show it as a midnight movie or lucking out and catching it on the rare occasion that they show movies on network T.V.. Up until the invention of the VCR people must have gone years or even decades without seeing their favorite movies simply because they weren't available.

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Part of the reason for the slow gain in wide releases...

1. Prints took longer to make and were more expensive. Up until the 1980s, films usually had all their prints made from the original negative. This was the case for Star Wars, having hundreds of prints made off of it. That practically hosed up the negative to the point that they couldn't have re-released it in 1997.

2. Technicolor films were usually sent to the big cities first, then made their way to the small town houses.
3. People were actually patient enough.
4. There was more of an air of "showmanship" as if bigger films were treated more like special engagements. Note all the big "roadshow" releases of the 1950s and 1960s. This wasn't necessarily the case with routine films, of course. Today, the Lord of the Rings films would have taken a while to get to a small town, but not Meet the Spartans.

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What are the differences between the three versions of Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Like Blade Runner, I thought it was pretty good, but I'm not dying to see it again. Still I am curious to know whether its worth it to check out the other cuts.

My second question is about the different soundtracks to Man With A Movie Camera. Does anyone have preferences? I've listened to the Cinematic Orchestra's version and it was still awesome, but I know that's far from the definitive.

And my third question is about Kieslowski's Short Films about Killing and Love. I loved the Decalogue, so I guess I will probably just watch them anyways, but again, is there enough added to really make it worth it?

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neutral posted:

I actually have a few.

What are the differences between the three versions of Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Like Blade Runner, I thought it was pretty good, but I'm not dying to see it again. Still I am curious to know whether its worth it to check out the other cuts.

The main difference is whether or not you see the inside of the ship. The cut with the inside of the ship (I believe it's called the Extended Edition) has been universally derided over time, even by Spielberg himself. I have to say it was pretty awesome when I was 8 years old, though. Other minor differences primarily focus on how much time is spent with Roy's family.

neutral posted:

My second question is about the different soundtracks to Man With A Movie Camera. Does anyone have preferences? I've listened to the Cinematic Orchestra's version and it was still awesome, but I know that's far from the definitive.

The Alloy Orchestra track is the best.

neutral posted:

And my third question is about Kieslowski's Short Films about Killing and Love. I loved the Decalogue, so I guess I will probably just watch them anyways, but again, is there enough added to really make it worth it?

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neutral posted:

My second question is about the different soundtracks to Man With A Movie Camera. Does anyone have preferences? I've listened to the Cinematic Orchestra's version and it was still awesome, but I know that's far from the definitive.
I don't care much for the Cinematic Orchestra score, and am fairly indifferent to the Nyman score. I recently watched the film with the Alloy Orchestra score for the first time and while I'm not particularly fond of the overuse of faux diagetic effects, overall I think it's my favourite score for the film.

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I've been waiting for a thread like this to get one question off my chest: In Boondock Saints, what the hell is the significance of the old guy running in on them and finishing their prayer with them? I beleive it's a family prayer, so does that mean he's their dad or something?

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I've been waiting for a thread like this to get one question off my chest: In Boondock Saints, what the hell is the significance of the old guy running in on them and finishing their prayer with them? I beleive it's a family prayer, so does that mean he's their dad or something?

He is their dad, as confirmed in the last scene in the hotel where they refer to him as "Da". There are a handful of hints throughout the movie about their father disappearing when they were young, with Il Duce being in prison it's a pretty obvious fit.

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SubG posted:

I don't care much for the Cinematic Orchestra score, and am fairly indifferent to the Nyman score. I recently watched the film with the Alloy Orchestra score for the first time and while I'm not particularly fond of the overuse of faux diagetic effects, overall I think it's my favourite score for the film.

The Alloy Orchestra score is definitely my favorite, but it was the first score I heard the first time I saw the film, performed live at the Academy Theater in Los Angeles, so I know my impression is completely biased.

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- For Scenes From a Marriage, neither of us has ever seen it. Should we watch the theatrical version or the 5 hour television first. Does your answer change if we might not ever see the other version?

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Part of the reason for the slow gain in wide releases...

1. Prints took longer to make and were more expensive. Up until the 1980s, films usually had all their prints made from the original negative. This was the case for Star Wars, having hundreds of prints made off of it. That practically hosed up the negative to the point that they couldn't have re-released it in 1997.

Really? That's amazing. They didn't use an interpositive/internegative? These days one can only make about 300 prints from an IN until it gets screwed, so if they were printing from the original negative for a wide release, that would do the trick.

Lot 49 posted:

Are movies generally getting longer?

I think so, for a few reasons. In part because producers/studios are rushing to gets films into theatres to hit certain release dates. CG/VFX play a role in that they take a long time to create and integrate into a film, thus creating additional time pressure. Lastly, most independent films have limited budgets and can't spend that long in post, or afford the time taken to properly edit (e.g., a bank is financing the film and the interest is mounting - they need to complete and deliver the film ASAP to pay the bank off). It takes time to make a long movie shorter, and the economics are such that few directors, producers and editors these days have that time.

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therattle posted:

Really? That's amazing. They didn't use an interpositive/internegative? These days one can only make about 300 prints from an IN until it gets screwed, so if they were printing from the original negative for a wide release, that would do the trick.
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muscles like this? posted:

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BooDoug187 posted:

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