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EvilMerlin
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I know I am beating a dead horse but the Camry would have been fine in the snow. I've driven one personally that was the same model year and driven through terrible snow storms. The only real advantage a SUV or 4WD have is for getting OUT of ditches. If anything, cars tend to stop quicker than truck/SUVs in the snow. The only time they are better at getting around is when there is 6 or more inches of snow on an unplowed highway, and in that circumstance, stay home.

That being said, if you want a little SUV/CUV you should go test drive a Mazda 5 and RAV4 and a Tucson. They are all great cars and all reliable. Maybe consider a Tiguan if you are ok with a bit more maintenance if you want to try something german.

If you are looking at the Mazda 5, Rav4 and Tuscon, take a look at the 2019 Edge as well.

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Plus I would just like something newer. I've never really been all that happy with the Camry and this significant change to my life presents an opportunity to get something different.

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I'm considering buying a car, and one of the cars I've been looking at is an Opel Corsa E from 2015. I've never owned a car or used one regularly, so I have kim rhodes porn star no clue.

Motivation: I mostly want a car because the place where I live right now is structured so that most things we want to go to are spread out over a bunch of towns with mountains in between and the train and bus connections are really bad. My work commute works well by bus so I don't need a car for that. We'll be moving to a better city in about 6 months, and there I may use the car to get to certain places that are hard to reach by public transport or doing little overland excursions, or maybe I'll sell it again.

The Opel: I like that it's relatively cheap at 9400 and it seems like a pretty "normal" car that might be easy to resell. It seems about the right size to be suitable for city and overland driving. It has a good 101 horsepower motor and the seats and controls look nice and quality.
It has driven 55000 km already which seems a bit high. I've looked it up on the internet, and people seem happy with this kind of car. But they say it has a tire pressure monitoring system that makes it harder to get / install winter tires. It also eats 6L / 100km which seems high. There's also a listing of 75 maintenance cost per month, that's probably an average of various people's high and low results.

So I wonder:
Is this overall the right kind of car to get?
Are there any known problems with Opels or Corsas specifically?
How many kms are too many, for a used car to have driven?
The seller who has it has a bunch of other Opels and Fords as well, including one that's basically the same as this but newer, for 15000€. The ford transmission problem is only for automatic transmissions, right?

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If you're moving in six months I'd probably stick it out if you don't plan to use the car much in the future. You'll have to get insurance and a bunch of other poo poo, and in general the car buying/selling process is a pain in the rear end. In general before you get to this specific Corsa, I have a few questions:
1. where exactly are you?
2. when you say "we" is that you and a significant other or is this including kids and stuff?
3. what kind of driving? mostly in town? motorway/autoroute/autobahn stuff? going to IKEA to get four bookcases?
4. how far are you driving and how often?

The 1.6L is going to be quite reliable at the cost of eating some more gas compared to the smaller turbo engines on the higher trims. Performance is a little less good than the turbo engines. But I don't think it matters to you too much since you won't drive all that much. The Corsas I have driven have mostly been 1.0 turbos. They're pretty decent to drive, good sight lines, decent interiors, fairly logical layout to everything. I think the usable space is less good than equivalent VWAG products so I'd also look at the Skoda Fabia. The Fiesta is generally good although I think it's a bit more rattly and only has issues with automatic transmissions. The new one is outstanding but that's well out of your price range. I'm also partial to the Renault Clio particularly in diesel engines.

In general: cars can drive a lot with very little maintenance and repair. The equivalent of 10,000 miles a year is below the US average, so this car has not been abused in any way. Figure 15,000 kms a year is a pretty reasonable amount to put on a car, and if it's that much, a lot is likely low-impact autoroute driving. there are a few preventative maintenance services that crop up around 50,000kms on most cars, so check the service history and maintenance schedule. You should need very little in terms of replacement parts other than stuff like wiper blades, lubricants/oil/filters until about 100k kms, at which point you'll likely need some brake wear parts serviced.

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Ranks right up there with the Subarus.

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If you are looking at the Mazda 5, Rav4 and Tuscon, take a look at the 2019 Edge as well.

I think ya'll mean the CX-5... the regular Mazda 5 is a weird minivan. Also look at the CRV.

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I know I am beating a dead horse but the Camry would have been fine in the snow. I've driven one personally that was the same model year and driven through terrible snow storms. The only real advantage a SUV or 4WD have is for getting OUT of ditches. If anything, cars tend to stop quicker than truck/SUVs in the snow. a naked girl picture The only time they are better at getting around is when there is 6 or more inches of snow on an unplowed highway, and in that circumstance, stay home.

Lies and slander.

When I lived in MN, I had a 95 Camry and my fiance-now-wife had a 07 Forester. I was from MN, she wasn't. Anyhow, yes a Camry can get around in the snow, even in all-seasons. Hell, I even spent a few winters in an 95 Crown Vic... had to put snow tires on it after I almost ended up in a ditch during a snow storm, but in general as long as you know how to drive in the snow any daily driver is fine.

But my god, I borrowed her Forester once in a snow storm and it is absolutely a night-and-day difference. In my Camry I would have to feather the gas to get going in the snow, and even then I'd spin the tires. But in the Forester I felt like I could stomp on the gas pedal and be off like a shot. I mean, not literally, but in comparison it's a massive difference.

To be sure, in snow-bound areas you won't HAVE to drive in the snow because they know how to take care of the roads. But to say that AWD only benefits in 6+ inches a snow is not true at all.

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That being said, if you want a little SUV/CUV you should go test drive a Mazda 5 and RAV4 and a Tucson. They are all great cars and all reliable. Maybe consider a Tiguan if you are ok with a bit more maintenance if you want to try something german.

Do you mean a Mazda CX-5? I think the Mazda 5 is some tiny mini-van or something weird... the CX-5 is a small SUV and is pretty popular. I'd throw a Forester in the list as well.

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I'll never recommend an ej255/7 backed by a 5 speed to someone who like reliability.
But at least it will be fun, unlike an automatic focus.

Two cars for two different purposes of course...

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I think ya'll mean the CX-5... the regular Mazda 5 is a weird minivan. Also look at the CRV.

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If you're moving in six months I'd probably stick it out if you don't plan to use the car much in the future. You'll have to get insurance and a bunch of other poo poo, and in general the car buying/selling process is a pain in the rear end. In general before you get to this specific Corsa, I have a few questions:
1. where exactly are you?
2. when you say "we" is that you and a significant other or is this including kids and stuff?
3. what kind of driving? mostly in town? motorway/autoroute/autobahn stuff? going to IKEA to get four bookcases?
4. how far are you driving and how often?

The 1.6L is going to be quite reliable at the cost of eating some more gas compared to the smaller turbo engines on the higher trims. Performance is a little less good than the turbo engines. But I don't think it matters to you too much since you won't drive all that much. The Corsas I have driven have mostly been 1.0 turbos. They're pretty decent to drive, good sight lines, decent interiors, fairly logical layout to everything. I think the usable space is less good than equivalent VWAG products so I'd also look at the Skoda Fabia. The Fiesta is generally good although I think it's a bit more rattly and only has issues with automatic transmissions. The new one is outstanding but that's well out of your price range. I'm also partial to the Renault Clio particularly in diesel engines.

In general: cars can drive a lot with very little maintenance and repair. The equivalent of 10,000 miles a year is below the US average, so this car has not been abused in any way. Figure 15,000 kms a year is a pretty reasonable amount to put on a car, and if it's that much, a lot is likely low-impact autoroute driving. there are a few preventative maintenance services that crop up around 50,000kms on most cars, so check the service history and maintenance schedule. You should need very little in terms of replacement parts other than stuff like wiper blades, lubricants/oil/filters until about 100k kms, at which point you'll likely need some brake wear parts serviced.

Thank you for this answer, this is useful info. Especially the idea that the car has good sight lines. I've test driven a VW Polo, and the windows seemed small to me, and this has been a problem in various bulkier cars.

I'm in Hessen, a part of Germany that is basically a bunch of towns of various sizes that all knit together without a real center. That's why public transport is a bit more complicated. I'm with my partner, and we don't have a car. We occasionally get a car from our parents, and we've used it about one-three times per week, mostly to go sightseeing or visit venues in other towns, about 50km one way. When we get to the city, we'll probably add some city driving, but public transport is good there. We do go on the Autobahn, but not very far or very fast. We don't plan on regularly transporting large objects or many people.

So I thought a small car with two doors would be ideal, but my partner says a car with less than 100 horsepower is too weak, and the smallest cars (VW Polo, Fiat, Smart) are too unsafe if someone hit us at high speed. I'd like an automatic transmission, but can't justify paying the high extra price (automatic is rare here). It can't be a diesel because those are being banned from cities and are losing value rapidly.

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Does anyone know how accurate the dealership inventory search is on edmunds.com? Or is there a generally agreed upon site that has the most accurate results? I'm looking for a specific trim/option/color combination in my car search, and according to Edmunds there's only like 30 of them in the country, and only 1 within 100 miles of me. Can that be right?

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All of the aggregators are pretty bad. Sorry to say but the best way is to make a list of all the appropriate dealers in your area and check their websites one by one. My experience is that most have a good picture of their own inventory but really bad pictures of everyone else's.

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My wife and I find ourselves in the position of needing to purchase a minivan without as much time to save and plan as we'd have hoped. We were planning on a second child, which our current vehicles could have managed without a problem, and ended up getting pregnant with twins. I can squeeze three car seats into the back of our 2008 Accord if two of the car seats are infant seats, but that limits us to one vehicle that can transport them and wont last beyond the time they're in infant seats. It also means I'd be using the HHR for my 60 mile round trip commute, which isn't the end of the world as it runs fine but is noisy and not as comfortable.

The vehicle we'd be getting rid of is a 2008 HHR, I don't expect to get much for it so will probably just trade it in to avoid the hassle.

As I mentioned we hadn't really been saving for a new car, but since finding out about the twins we've managed to save up about 8k for a down payment. Normally we're the type to buy used in cash and avoid a car payment, but I don't think 8k would get us much for a used minivan. That and the fact that it would be used mostly for transporting young children makes me want something a bit more modern. Given that, I think we'd be ok looking at something up to the 25k price point. So I suppose our list would be as follows:

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Looking through this thread and other places, the Honda Odyssey and Chrysler Pacifica seem to be the suggested models when it comes to minivans. 25k seems to get you in the neighborhood of a 2015 with ~30-50k miles depending on trim for the Odyssey and a 2017 with 10-30k miles depending on trim for the Pacifica. Is it worth getting something a little more recent going with the Pacifica? Or is the reliability and track record of the Odyssey worth the premium? We'd hopefully be owning this for a long time.

Am I missing anything obvious? I am not a car person, hate haggling and get nervous about making the wrong decision on big purchases so I really hate car buying.

Thank you to those who offered info and suggestions. After doing some more research we've narrowed it down to the Odyssey.

Due to the fact that we live in a smaller community though, there isn't a lot available in our immediate area. We will be visiting my parents for Thanksgiving and they live in a large metro with tons of options, so our plan is to buy it over the holiday weekend. I've found several 2015 EX-L Odysseys with 20-40k miles that fit our budget and price point in their area, but I'm not sure how to best go about narrowing it down form there as we have to do everything over a short span of time. I'm assuming wait until closer to that weekend, see what's still available, pull the Carfax on those vehicles and test drive the top 2-3 based on the Carfax, price and mileage. I don't think I would have time to bring a vehicle to an independent mechanic for inspection, how important is that for a low mileage Honda with one owner?

When it comes to price, is there much wiggle room in used car pricing at dealers? My assumption would be that they have more power there compared to new cars as I can't go to the next dealer and get a quote on the same product, but I don't really know.

If we decide not to do any financing and I don't know the final price before I buy, do I just bring a cashiers check covering most of it and then use a personal check to cover the difference?

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How far away is the closest big community, because buying a car on a deadline while visiting my parents in another city during a holiday week sounds like my personal vision of hell

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Thank you for this answer, this is useful info. Especially the idea that the car has good sight lines. I've test driven a VW Polo, and the windows seemed small to me, and this has been a problem in various bulkier cars.

I'm in Hessen, a part of Germany that is basically a bunch of towns of various sizes that all knit together without a real center. That's why public transport is a bit more complicated. I'm with my partner, and we don't have a car. We occasionally get a car from our parents, and we've used it about one-three times per week, mostly to go sightseeing or visit venues in other towns, about 50km one way. When we get to the city, we'll probably add some city driving, but public transport is good there. We do go on the Autobahn, but not very far or very fast. We don't plan on regularly transporting large objects or many people.

So I thought a small car with two doors would be ideal, but my partner says a car with less than 100 horsepower is too weak, and the smallest cars (VW Polo, Fiat, Smart) are too unsafe if someone hit us at high speed. I'd like an automatic transmission, but can't justify paying the high extra price (automatic is rare here). It can't be a diesel because those are being banned from cities and are losing value rapidly.

Interesting, I've not driven a recent Polo but I find that VWAG product in general is better for sightlines and ergonomics.

I just want to clarify for you - the Polo and the Corsa are in the same segment (B). The Smart Fortwo and Fiat 500 are A-segment. I would look at B segment cars rather than A. Here's a handy wikipedia table of B-segment cars:

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Of these, I like the Clio, the Fabia, the Mazda2, the Corsa, and the Fiesta. The Polo is fine too, but the Fabia is almost always a better value for more of essentially the same car. I prefer five doors to three, just because it's a more useful design and you don't save that much money for three doors.

Small cars are, all else equal, less safe than somewhat larger cars due to physics, but newer cars are more safe than older cars, so if you're going to buy a larger but older car there's a decent chance it will be less safe. I would say anything with less than 90hp is too slow, but it's not unsafe to drive a slow car - you just have to manage energy and momentum a bit differently. I've driven a 79hp Ford Fiesta triple and it was not fast, but certainly not dangerous. You just have to drive very aggressively on the throttle, manage speed, and

Hello, I go to Kassel a bunch so I'm vaguely familiar with Hesse. There are certainly areas where you would like a car. If you move to a more real city, I doubt you'll want it (if I lived and worked in Kassel, for instance, I probably wouldn't own a car). But if you're borrowing one from your parents on a weekly basis, and you can afford it without difficulty, I think about a 10,000 euro B segment gas-powered hatchback fits the bill.

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How far away is the closest big community, because buying a car on a deadline while visiting my parents in another city during a holiday week sounds like my personal vision of hell

About a 3 hour drive. We live in a city of 100k so it's not the boonies, there just isn't any stock of what we're looking for here.

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Took the plunge and bought a 18 Jeep Grand Cherokee today. I really tried to like the 4runner, Highlander, and explorer and test drove them multiple times. But the GC just had everything I wanted with the most comfort. I did go ahead and include a total care warranty in my budget calculation because, well, FCA.

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Thats a nice vehicle, hopefully you have many great years in it. Jeep and Ram will live on for another 50 or 100 years no problem. Chrysler cars, not so much.

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I highly doubt you would have ended up spending money on covered repairs higher than the amount that the warranty cost you and would encourage you to get a refund on that, but otherwise the GC felt like a really great car when I rented it. Nice job.

Some of Jeep's other vehicles are a crappy exercise in cost cutting to get a 'cheap CUV' out the door like the Compass but the GC is quite nice.

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Hmm, you don't think I'll spend $3k in repairs after the original warranty expires? I'm seriously asking, this isn't snark. I haven't purchased the warranty yet.

The $0 deductible 8 year 125k warranty was $3.1k. It's Mopar, not a third party. I didn't buy yet, but got quotes from out of state dealers who don't charge fees/tax listed in Jeep forums.

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Hiya! I'm looking to pick up BIG OLD SUV this winter, and was wondering if I could get a bit of guidance.

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My short list, in descending order of how much interest and knowledge I have: Expedition, Sequoia, Suburban, Land Cruiser. The latter may stretch a bit up in the price range but it's a thought.

What's the word on the first gen Expeditions? There are a billion of them for sale here in the 2500-3500 range, look clean on the body work, and I hear they will run a long time. How are those gearboxes?

Will gladly listen to any suggestions for similar vehicles that aren't on my list.

As far as non-cars go, I've previously owned a 2012 Forester (ok boring vehicle) and a 77 K5 Blazer (TONS of fun but required a lot of wrenching and didn't really break 60mph).

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Hmm, you don't think I'll spend $3k in repairs after the original warranty expires? I'm seriously asking, this isn't snark. I haven't purchased the warranty yet.

The $0 deductible 8 year 125k warranty was $3.1k. It's Mopar, not a third party. I didn't buy yet, but got quotes from out of state dealers who don't charge fees/tax listed in Jeep forums.

My co-worker got one of those 8 years and it immediately came in handy when the trans. started making a noise before a long road trip.

I think they said it has 35k miles or something just outside of the factory warranty. I'd get it if I were in your shoes.

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Id like a giant 4wd truck in a good condition for 2 dollars

Man in my area, anything that can be turned into a work truck/suv with 4wd, even if 10-20 years old, even with 250,000 km+ , starts at around $8000 (if obvious repairs needed) and 10k if safetied and ready to go.

I'd say try your hand at Ford Expeditions I guess. I don't know how lucky you will be with a 4k budget to get anything that wont need a lot of work.

Nissan XTRAIL is actually a great mid size SUV from years ago without a lot of demand, so they can be found cheap.

Maybe try to find yourself a Chev or GMC fleet Tahoe or similar. Will be missing some holes and might have an old radio in it, but parts should be cheap at least.

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Maybe something with body damage at that price? I got an Xterra for $3800 and kinda fits what you're talking about but mine is 2wheel drive, not 4. Tows 4,500lb or so and I sleep with the backseat down often.

Replace the radiator though, pretty commonly contaminates the ATF with coolant.

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I get it, but denver's littered with cleanish body ones under 5 grand, free young people porn. latina women for sex an 04 eddie that looks to be a great deal, for example.

They're mostly 150-200k mile vehicles, which is why i'm calling out transmissions - I know that's a common failure mileage for a lot of lovely/middlin' gearboxes so i'm a little wary, but i'm not seeing too many complaints on my casual searches so far.

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My co-worker got one of those 8 years and it immediately came in handy when the trans. started making a noise before a long road trip.

I think they said it has 35k miles or something just outside of the factory warranty. I'd get it if I were in your shoes.

Yeah, I figured that I'd have at least 4 or 5 pricy repairs before 125k at the end of the original warranty for $3k. Worst case I'm prepaying for dealership repairs now I guess.

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I know a guy with a 97 expedition in Castle Rock that he just won’t let go of because it’s so bulletproof.

That said if you want add ons and hams I’d seriously consider looking at the 3/4 ton (2500) Suburban. You could get vinyl trim in those and just hose that thing out. No idea if that’s in budget

e: nevermind this is not helpful, cheapest ones I found were like '90s ones for $6k

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I know a guy with a 97 expedition in Castle Rock that he just won’t let go of because it’s so bulletproof.

That said if you want add ons and hams I’d seriously consider looking at the 3/4 ton (2500) Suburban. You could get vinyl trim in those and just hose that thing out. No idea if that’s in budget

e: nevermind this is not helpful, cheapest ones I found were like '90s ones for $6k

I've thought quite a bit about the burbs but yeah, people want a few bucks more.

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I've thought quite a bit about the burbs but yeah, people want a few bucks more.

I'm going tomorrow to look at a 4500 obo '05 eddie bauer expedition with maint records and a clean carfax, 165k on the clock. Hopefully it ends up being as clean as the pics and I can wiggle him down to 4k-4200. Lotsa toys. Might be nice to get some heated seats for once in my life.

Out here in Oregon a month or two ago I was looking at craigslist under $5k and saw a ton of Suburban 2500s. My search terms included all of Oregon and parts of Washington, but I am guessing if your are willing to expand your search and travel a little you should be able to find something. People out here buy them to haul their boat or trailer a couple times a year and otherwise seem to use them as grocery getters.

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Nov 6, 2012



What exactly changes, based on how many kW / horsepower a car has? Its top speed? Its acceleration? Ability to go uphill? Something else?

The cars I'm looking at have between 69-135 horsepower, and I'm not sure how important that is.

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What exactly changes, based on how many kW / horsepower a car has? Its top speed? Its acceleration? Ability to go uphill? Something else?

The cars I'm looking at have between 69-135 horsepower, and I'm not sure how important that is.

Yes, all of those. Modern cars generally have enough horsepower to do anything you could conceivably want as long as you are willing to step on the throttle and wring it out, other than maybe to a huge trailer or something.

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



I'm currently driving a 100 hp Hyundai i30 rental car. It's pretty much fine - it's not real fast but if you wring it out it'll go, and it doesn't like to do more than 140 kph on the autobahn. It has struggled to climb fairly steep grades at 120kph on the autobahn, but that's fine as long as you're willing to downshift and join the right lane.

edit: 69, while nice, is probably lower than I would go. My floor is probably around 80.

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I had a Picanto with 67hp and it was fine in a manual as long as you’re good with driving it full tilt all the time.

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I went up to test drive the Outback yesterday, and you were right that it's way, way too sedate for me. Even the 3.6R engine was unwilling to put in the hard work I needed as I was accelerating to highway speeds and in comparison to my last two cars it felt totally anemic.

Unfortunately, I made the mistake of swinging by the dealership where we bought our XC90 and they had an XC60 T8 on the lot. I have always been fascinated by that power plant so I chatted with the guys who were only too happy to let me test drive it.

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