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Fag Boy Jim posted:

please rename the Cy Young award the "Pedro Martinez' 2000 Season Award"

Ah yes, the annual award given to Pedro Martinez for having a season of unmatchable greatness.

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Fag Boy Jim posted:

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Bigass Moth posted:

It only makes sense that Wins should decide the Cy Young winners. After all, Cy himself won a lot of games.

The NFL MVP award should also thusly be awarded to the Quarterback who wins the most games.

I agree with both of these 100%

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Cy Young should really be the Old Hoss Radbourn award. I'd like to see anyone today pitch 678 innings in one season

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Dec 16, 2004

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Badfinger posted:

Clearly it should be named the Old Hoss Radbourn Award For Best Season of Wins For A Pitcher in honor of his baseball-leading 59 wins in a single season. Hilariously he misses out on CG and IP by 2 each to some guy named Will White in 1879.

seiferguy posted:

Cy Young should really be the Old Hoss Radbourn award. I'd like to see anyone today pitch 678 innings in one season

Sup OHR budy.

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Not only does the article start out calling Masterson a lefty even though he's a righty, this paragraph makes absolutely no loving sense:

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As usual, the ground ball was the most prevalent ball in play type for Masterson on Tuesday night, as he allowed eight grounders, seven flies, and three line drives in a start which saw far more balls in the air than the typical Justin Masterson start.

: Masterson's start had more ground balls than any other, except actually he allowed 10 balls in the air and 8 grounders.

The article then goes on to completely ignore his horrid L/R splits which is actually whats keeping him from being a good starter.

I know this isn't as bad as some of the WINS type of articles, but for a site that is supposed to pride itself on in depth research and sabermetrics, this poo poo is just loving stupid.

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Every fan graphs blog post is exactly this:

State thesis based on a current event

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Compare to much better player

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I CHALLENGE THEE posted:

Every fan graphs blog post is exactly this:

State thesis based on a current event

Lazily quote xFIP or wRC+

Compare to much better player

Come to an irrelevant conclusion

Also

Identify player who having an uncharacteristically good or bad season

Cite BABIP, LD% and some other things.

Say they will regress

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Captain Charisma posted:

Also

Identify player who having an uncharacteristically good or bad season

Cite BABIP, LD% and some other things.

Say they will regress

I am a baseball genius

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wait that's just what we do in the n/v threads

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wait that's just what we do in the n/v threads

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I CHALLENGE THEE posted:

Every fan graphs blog post is exactly this:

State thesis based on a current event

Lazily quote xFIP or wRC+

Compare to much better player

Come to an irrelevant conclusion

Is this like some kind of Bleacher Report built for nerds instead of idiots?

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Captain Charisma posted:

Also

Identify player who having an uncharacteristically good or bad season

Cite BABIP, LD% and some other things.

Say they will regress

I am a baseball genius

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Excuse me, that's totally wrong.



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seiferguy posted:

I've clearly missed the boat on this joke can someone explain it?

On one of Dave Cameron's 6 org explanation articles someone posted in the comments as "Dave Cameron's Wife" and said simply "Woof! Woof! Woof! Woof!"

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Mar 9, 2007



They took it down now, but someone posted a whole thing on the ESPN rumor mill ruminating on whether the Phillies would pick up Rollins' 2011 option, apparently unaware that they already did that in January.

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They took it down now, but someone posted a whole thing on the ESPN rumor mill ruminating on whether the Phillies would pick up Rollins' 2011 option, apparently unaware that they already did that in January.

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CLEVELAND, Ohio — The most important statistic in baseball is a win. It determines which teams reach the postseason and which teams go home. It is not an acronym for a math quiz. It's the stat that makes baseball go.
Why is the pitcher the only player charged with a win or a loss on the stat sheet? I would imagine it has to do with him being the most important player on the field. As Dennis "El Presidente" Martinez loved saying when he pitched for the Indians, "Until I throw the ball, the game can't start."

Last year, Zack Greinke of the fourth-place Kansas City Royals won the American League Cy Young award with 16 victories. In the National League, Tim Lincecum of the third-place San Francisco Giants won it with 15 victories. They were the lowest-win totals by a starting pitcher for the awards since 1994 and 1981, respectively. The 1994 and 1981 seasons were cut short by strikes.
The value of the win has been devalued by members of the Baseball Writers Association of America who favor statistics meant to remove all influences on the pitcher except himself. This year, the case study will be Felix Hernandez, Seattle's fine right-hander. He leads the AL in innings pitched and strikeouts. He has everything going for him except for one thing -- he has won only 11 games headed into Saturday's start against the Angels.
Hernandez might get four more starts after Saturday. If he wins out, he could finish with 16 victories. Does that mean he should get the award over CC Sabathia, who goes for his 20th victory Monday for the first-place Yankees?
The time to give Hernandez the Cy Young award was last year when he went 19-5 with a 2.49 ERA, but he finished second to Greinke. He had the stats, including the most important one, to make a far more compelling case than this year.

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the pitcher is the only guy charged with a win or loss because in loving 1890 or whatever that dude pitched the whole game come hell or high water, and even in loving 1890 people were calling bullshit on it because you also have to score runs in order to win.

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The broken bones posted:

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ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. – So the SABR rattlers have pronounced Derek Jeter(notes) old and creaky. The captain’s average is average and his OBP is WTF. The New York Yankees hit king was once the belle of the ball, but now he’s dragging along like a tin can behind a “Just Married” car. The $50 million over three years he’s sure to get from the Yankees this winter is more like a Wall Street golden parachute than a worth-every-penny contract, at least if you listen to the stat wonks.

They do have a point.

And they’re missing the point.

Jeter is not above the laws of age or numbers. His age will go up, his numbers will go down. Those are facts.

But just for a moment, let’s move past that. Let’s move past the huge contract he’ll sign and not statistically earn. Abandon All Stats Ye Who Enter Here. Because in one important way, Jeter is worth as much as ever.

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Are there any sane, rational critiques of SABRmetrics? I don't mean debunking but just taking a critical look at it. I've had some minor complaints ever since I took quantitative analysis classes so I'm curious if there is a good article that looks at stuff like that.

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