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sniper4625 posted:

^^^ It's like a Rebel Version of "Guy who gets told to get the gently caress out of Thrawn's Office." I miss that guy.


haha i don't remember that part of the books, who was that?

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thrawn527 posted:

Best part is, those were all from one series of books. (I'm assuming you're referring to Crowetron's quotes I reposted.)

Amazingly I know the exact poo poo book series you guys are talking about, I think I read them in 5th grade. I'm forgetting though what EU stands for? My favorite is apparently the "Glove of Darth Vader" is where he gets his mysterious choking power.

Also, anyone post yet about Jon Stewart becoming an Action Figure Storm Trooper? With replaceable head, one goatee one clean shaven.

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So I'm curiuos what everyone's thoughts are on Thrawn (in my opinion, the only real amazing EU character)? Is he to be considered an evil dude since he is with the Empire, or was he similar to Robert E Lee where he was a good guy who fought for his home cause?

My memory on the books is hazy, but beyond the Nogri enslavement (which is pretty bad) I don't remember many bad things about the guy.

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arioch posted:

Reminder that despite how badass Lando is in the in Empire Strikes Back (orchestrating an insurrection and evacuation from right under the nose of Darth Vader, the Imperial Fleet, AND his personal Super Star Destroyer) the latter EU basically has him running one implausible scheme after another, incompetently, disastrously, then has him as a golddigging bastard who marries for money and whose legacy will be remembered as creating an army of robots who were designed to fight and win a war against the Yuuzhan Vong but instead got co-opted into weapons to hunt down Jedi with by Unreconstructed Imperial Admiral turned Galactic Chief of State "Natasi" Daala.

Not everything Lando did was terrible, I mean he WAS the head of Hologram Fun World *facepalm*

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Tetrix posted:

I've been watching all of the movies on Spike TV over the past few days and wondering, do you think they will ever make more movies (the supposed 7, 8, and 9 or EU) With the way Hollywood is it sure seems likely to me. Any Star Wars movie is an instant 300 million. I wouldn't expect it until Lucas dies though.

The only plot that would be worthy of being a movie would be the original Zaugh Heir to the Empire series. Anyone here think that they would translate well? This is assuming George Lucas does not surprise sex them.

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Der Luftwaffle posted:

They had their pros and cons. Strike actually had a story but was really easy and with super lovely on-foot sections, Leader had the coolest missions but was punishingly hard (gently caress the Death Star 2 run, gently caress it so hard).

I mean drat I had gold medals in every N64 Rogue Squadron mission but could barely get anything above a bronze in Rogue Leader.

N64 Rogue Squadron was also fairly underwhelming, easy and straightforward though.

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True fans played Rogue Squadron most beautiful girl naked 3D! on PC with a joystick.

Never claimed I was a true fan, some of you guys easily blow me out of the water! Also, I personally am not a PC gamer.

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Crowetron posted:

And then you free porno movie tube kill his ghost.

I don't get it. Is this really in TFU? Because that would seemingly go against the whole A New Hope thing where Obi Wan is alive until Vader slices him up....

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Mister Roboto posted:

That's probably why he gave Jar-Jar the final spoken line in the entire 6 movie franchise at the end of ROTJ special edition.

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Bonzo posted:

The entire series is over 20 books. I read just the 3 or 4 hardcovers because it's all my library had and it pretty much covers all the major issues of the series. You can google the other smaller books to get summaries.

The Vong War books was were i just couldn't go on after a certain point. The first few books (besides the moon dropping) seemed ok, but the plot just kept getting stupider, and it basically seemed like the authors were just inventing new super powers for them and making the fight one sided. At least that is what it seemed to me.

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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:

Has it ever been established if humans in the Star Wars universe age slower or live a lot longer than real world humans?

The aging thing can be explained away with science or the magic of myth but I don't remember it ever being mentioned in the books. I'm really just curious because Han Solo looks like he's in his 40's on some of the newer books when he's in his early 70's. Same goes for Luke and the rest of the group. They really need to retire the characters, literally.

Its probably more just bad book cover renditions. Also, yes they need to retire the characters.

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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:

I think this is funny because a lot of people said they jumped the shark with the Yuuzhan Vong.


This. The story line just kept getting more retarded, and every book seemed to have some really strong effort by the New Republic/Jedi to defeat the Vong, but then some last minute crisis hosed it up and the Vong would win. Even at the age of 13 I just found it ridiculous.

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Casimir Radon posted:

I'm surprised he hasn't cut that out.

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SeanBeansShako posted:

The Jedi Prince is finally coming to the big screen baby, start throwing out those nerd chosen cast choices.

Lucas would make a lovely Zorba.

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NeonTurtle posted:

The part with Padme believing there was still good in him and trying to bring him back to the good side completely ruins Vader's redemption in Return of the Jedi for me. Because it suggests that Vader is so screwed up in the head that his wife, whom he's known for most of his life, can't save him. Meanwhile, his son, who he met for the first time 50 minutes ago, can save him. It would have been a lot better if Padme had completely rejected him when she learned Anakin went on a hunting trip in the Jedi temple. Just flat out rejection in the vein of I don't know you anymore, stay away from me, You are not the Anakin I loved, etc. Make it so his son was the first person who actually offered him another chance. It'd make a lot more sense from a storytelling perspective.

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Faerunner posted:

I have to defend this one.

Anakin was probably like 6 when he started tinkering, thinking "OH MAN THIS IS GONNA BE AWESOME, IT CAN HELP MOM WITH STUFF!" In TPM, he was what, 8? Clearly he wasn't old enough to think it through to the logical "Wait... this won't help with poo poo" conclusion.

Kids get dumb ideas about things. Parents patronize their kids' ideas all the time.

I hear what you are saying, but I disagree on the basis of Anakin building C3PO is just retarded. The way Lucas tries to throw every character into the prequels is just awful.

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TorpedoFish posted:

Why is it that we see "stun mode" on blasters in the beginning of ANH (when they capture Leia), and never again?

They use it in the books.

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Doc Hawkins posted:

^^^^ yeeeah I was kidding


Rather than the what-if that they present, I'd love to see the "What if Han Straight Up Vaporizes Vader" alternate history. Luke becomes a pawn that Yoda and the Emperor fight over, without any impetus to forge his own destiny? Does Yoda even give a poo poo about Luke if he can't "face Vader" any more? ESB becomes about Thrawn and What's-Her-Face flying around and being awesome without anyone's sorcerous ways getting in their business?

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Powered Descent posted:

Am I the only one that always kept the cannons on single-fire? TIEs are small enough that on dual or quad fire, I usually only managed to hit with one cannon anyway. So all I had to show for it was two (or four!) times the wait until I could fire again and finish the bastard off.

Oh, and yes, it was two shots to finish off a TIE fighter, three to take care of a TIE interceptor. Six (I think) for a TIE bomber.

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deadguy posted:

Maybe, but why would he be inferring and logically deducing in the first place? His guns would have worked against Vader's fighter, maybe it would take an extra shot or two I don't know. So it really doesn't make any difference.

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draize_train posted:

Looking at Rotten Tomatoes, TPM has a 62% score (40 by top critics) AOTC has 66% (40 by top critics), and ROTS has 80% (67 by top critics). The way I remember it, a lot of critics deluded themselves into thinking these were okay movies, just like a lot of fans (I guess it's not unreasonable to assume many of the critics were also fans). These critics typically praised Lucas' vision, the visual effects, and some just used the "it's a kids' movie" defence. Judging by the scores, this delusion grew stronger over time...

ROTS was also a way better movie than TPM and AOTC (not saying much there). Honestly, My only big big beef with ROTS is how incredibly awful the dialogue is.

In other Star Wars news, who watched the 3rd Robot Chicken Star Wars Episode? Personally I think they hit gold on the first one and haven't really been able to capture the same feel since. Still had some great moments though.

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Jerk McJerkface posted:

Leaving...the closing credits?

I really think ROTS sucks just because of the dialogue. I'm sure the plot could be better, but its really just awful by how the characters talk about it. "I fought for democracy" or whatever the gently caress ObiWan says to Anakin. Its all just bad dialogue (you can add acting in there too).

I may just be a sucker for this scene, but I actually don't mind the scene of R2 killing the buzzdroids. Beyond that there is way too much slapstick in the prequels.

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thrawn527 posted:

ROTS might have more scenes that are fun to watch, but it's hard to say it's the best of the trilogy because it's just such a flawed movie. I would struggle to even describe to someone what it's about, beyond "Jedi are killed, the Emperor takes over." Seriously, what's the plot of that movie? It's a series of scenes connected together by lose threads, but the movies doesn't really have a plot. It's not really about anything, other than the fall of Anakin. And number one porn website that is handled so suddenly it's hard to even say it's about that. "What have I done?...okay, I'll kill kids."

You yet again have a villain that was never mentioned before (Maul, then Dooku, then after quickly dispatching Dooku, Grevious) so you can't even get a consistent villain like Vader to keep you connected. Sure, the Palpatine is there, but he's not really a villain until halfway through. Before that he's the damsel-in-distress. You have what starts as a decent lightsaber battle finally about something, that turns into a CGI-fest with stupid hopping around lava like a video game. Then the final montage of random scenes to try and half-rear end a connection to the OT.

It's terrible. Just like the others.


I think when you are doing what is basically movie 6 of a cult like franchise you can assume people have seen the previous movies, so a lot of plot development in theory is already carrier over from the other 5 (I think this really applies to palpatine, everyone knows he's evil already). Its just how they do it, like what you said on how quickly Anakin turns.

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spacemountain posted:

The worst thing about Grevious is he explodes the mystique of the lightsaber once and for all.

We've spent five films by that point, hearing how it's the weapon of a Jedi, that it takes years of training and being strong with the force to use one.

Then, out of nowhere, some robot thing can not only use a lightsaber equal to one of the most powerful Jedi, he can use FOUR of them at the same time!

I disagree with this. Obi Wan crushes Grevious in the lightsaber fight. Just because I hold a samurai sword in 2 hands doesn't mean i am a equal samurai to others.


thrawn527 posted:

But yeah, everything else that happened in those 18 years does seem bizarre.


Alexander the Great conquered most of the current world in 8 years. There are other examples of that happening. And Alexander doing that with the tech at hand is probably decently equivalent to conquering a universe with obviously much more high end tech. Plus with the clone wars i would bet a lot of the worlds would be damaged, weakened or even ready for any type of armistice/peace.

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Basically, the cave is strong with the Dark Side of the Force (Which, incidentally, is why Yoda chose his exile on Dagobah, since his strong Light Side readings are canceled out by the cave's dark side) and, as such, can be used for training exercises like the one Yoda made Luke go through (I'm pretty sure someone else in the EU did the same thing in that cave).

Pretty much, Luke rolls into the cave with his lightsaber, even though Yoda tells him he doesn't need it. He sees a Force-projection of Vader and his immediate reaction is to try to strike him down, using his anger over Vader's murder of Obi-Wan and his fear of ending up with the same fate. Once he kills the Force-projection of Vader, Vader's mask rolls back and we see Luke's face, because Luke is only harming himself by giving in to his anger and fear (Which, as we all know, lead to hate and suffering), since doing so will cause him to turn over to the Dark Side, like Vader did.

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Noghri_ViR posted:

I loved the Tie Defender in the Tie Fighter game. Just ended up buying the lego version of it and when I was done I held it in my hand and went "pew pew"

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Edit: NM, answer on the previous page. Kind of dumb.

Wait, how is Mara Jade a character in the movies?

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Yeah, it's on my bookcase right now. I have Han and Chewie in the cockpit. The rest of the mini figs are in the secret compartments.

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Torael_7 posted:

Dammit. I need to hunt down replacements for some of my old battered copies then.


I really wish I could find those older books as ebooks, but if the old bantam books novels can be found anywhere in that form, well uh...I haven't seen it.

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I'm on the 4th book of the X-Wing series by Michael A. Stackpole. After this one it switches over to Aaron Allston as the author. I like the series so far, should I read Allston's books too or is it going to pull a West Wing on me?

I would agree that they are equal or better. Biggest inprovement is not ending every drat chapter with a huge statement like "we will do this, or we will all die." I swear stackpole ends every drat chapter with a cliff hanger, and in the end it just pissed me off so much.

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Kazy posted:

Pretty sure that Timmy is that monkey they use as their mascot.

I just read Heir to the Empire for the first time. It was on my library's Overdrive section. I had read the comics before, but the books seem much better. Now I am on the long waiting list for the second book. Maybe I should just give in and buy the Kindle versions

I just wish I knew which of the Star Wars books my library has on Overdrive are the good ones.

Anything by zaughn, the entire xwing series, and I think that's most of it.

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Mister Roboto posted:

I've always thought the emperor's death was sort of stupid, given his athleticism 19 years before.

The EU handwaved this by saying using the Dark Side Powers deteriorates your body, but Lucas has ruined that idea.

Not like he had any need for.ninja skills in his mind anyway. As far as the emperor was concerned he was in control of the entire event and was trying to enjoy every last minute. Then vader grabs him from behind...

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If there is one thing unrealistic and kind of dumb about star wars, its how black and white it is. Even in the original series, you always know the empire is completely bad.

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I believe you mean Donald Glover.

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The Bothans didn't have anything to do with the first Death Star, as far as I'm aware. They only found out about the second Death Star under construction over Endor.

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Then the movie came out, and everyone just kind of milled around, like they'd just woken up from a dream. There was confusion, denial, justification, but no anger, not right away. Where I was, the anger built up slowly over the course of the summer. By the time the snow fell, we had all pretty much accepted the truth of the matter. There was still hope for the other two movies, but there was just no ignoring the fact that free beautiful women porn The Phantom Menace, a movie some people had waited almost their whole lives for, had sucked. It had sucked hard.

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