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ItBreathes
Jan 6, 2013


Every time you change cards you have to go re-bench all the systems you're comparing it to to get an apples-to-apples comparison, it's not as easy as just putting X card in the test rig.

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The 20xx series isn't that much better so why not use what you have and is just as fast.

The 1080 is not "just as fast" as the 2080ti. The 2080ti is about 70% faster. They should be using that to avoid GPU bottlenecks, otherwise their gaming tests are nearly worthless.

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Every time you change cards you have to go re-bench all the systems you're comparing it to to get an apples-to-apples comparison, it's not as easy as just putting X card in the test rig.

That's fine, but unless they try to eliminate the GPU bottleneck we really don't know what these parts can do in the scenarios they're benching for.

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Apr 6, 2005

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You can get a pretty good idea what is going on without any GPU bottlenecking if you look at the results for lowest resolution and detail settings.

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Zedsdeadbaby
Jun 14, 2008

You have been called out, in the ways of old.


If they show the GPU utilization as under 100% it's a fair CPU test (this is why a lot of sites do tests at 720p or on lowest settings)

It doesn't really matter what the GPU is as long as it's not bottlenecking the CPU benchmarks

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I want to see what the combination of the latest CPUs and GPUs can do.

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I want to see what the combination of the latest CPUs and GPUs can do.

You can't do that for a good comparison across the board though. You can optimize for any given setup, but otherwise when you're testing GPUs you want to not be CPU limited for any of your test setups and when you're testing CPUs you need to avoid being GPU limited for any of your test setups.

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If they show the GPU utilization as under 100% it's a fair CPU test (this is why a lot of sites do tests at 720p or on lowest settings)

It doesn't really matter what the GPU is as long as it's not bottlenecking the CPU benchmarks

Right, but almost all of their tests are GPU bottlenecked

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Apr 6, 2005

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Are you looking at just the maximum resolution/detail results? I just went back and looked at all of the games just to make sure I wasn't missing something and all of them except Shadow of War have pretty significant differences (for the batch of chips being considered at least, we're not looking at any dualcores or laptops here) at "IGP" settings.

If you're saying they should always be running a bleeding edge card so that as few tests as possible are GPU bottlenecked even considering turning up the options that don't affect CPU load much, then...

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Every time you change cards you have to go re-bench all the systems you're comparing it to to get an apples-to-apples comparison, it's not as easy as just putting X card in the test rig.

You're really talking about diminishing returns in terms of information:effort here. I wouldn't be surprised if they do switch to a 2080 [Ti] at some point but Turing hasn't exactly been out for very long.

e: to be clear the quote is to support my point, not disagreeing with it at all

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ItBreathes
Jan 6, 2013


Quick and dirty - 1. Find a benchmark that's not GPU bound (e.g. 720p). 2. realize that CPU performance is resolution agnostic. 3. Boom, you have the maximum performance of the CPU, adjust expectations to your graphics cards ability to push your chosen resolution.

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Jun 14, 2008

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Right, but almost all of their tests are GPU bottlenecked

Yeah. That pretty much means they have tested poorly.

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Nov 26, 2012

Grafted to machines your builders did not understand.

OK: with a 5ghz all core overclock, 4.8 ghz CPU cache ratio, 1.37 Vcore, and the h150, I seem to have a stable overclock on the i9 where temperatures don't push north of 74C under OCCT testing.

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Zedsdeadbaby
Jun 14, 2008

You have been called out, in the ways of old.


CPUs are loving weird. My 6600K does 4.6ghz at 1.29vcore just fine, but I have to go all the way up to 1.395vcore for stable 4.7ghz.

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