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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

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Start.ca is good, Teksavvy is okay, but you're basically not getting over 150/10 unless you're with Rogers or Bell for the moment, or you luck out and get new construction with Beanfield.

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I'm a little sad that Telus finished running fiber to my place recently and they're having a "focus on profit, not customer acquisitions" quarter so there are no incredibly good promotions. I can wait!

Even off the promotional pricing The 1.5Gbit Bell is still $110/mo, which is $6 less than I'm paying for the Rogers Ignite service bundle now.


e: Well, it took six hours to install but I now have internet faster than my home network.

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yeah my Rogers internet promo runs out this month, need to scare them into a new promo. Also located in Toronto, so I guess I'll get quotes from Start.ca and Teksavvy.

Shame, I liked my 500gb down package.

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Oct 11, 2012

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Bell 1.5Gbit/940Mbit

Good news: The speeds are real and fast and my friend

Bad news: I hope you like the Home Hub 3k because otherwise you're going to be spending $750-$1500 on additional network gear to get the rated speeds.

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Bell 1.5Gbit/940Mbit

Good news: The speeds are real and fast and my friend

Bad news: I hope you like the Home Hub 3k because otherwise you're going to be spending $750-$1500 on additional network gear to get the rated speeds.

You can get something from Ubiquiti (Edgerouter Lite + One of their WiFi products) or another router to act as an AP. Would be less than $750 for sure. Hopefully you can put that modem into bridged mode or whatever.

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Oct 11, 2012

Don't let the little fuckers generation gap you


I have a Mikrotik hAP AC I'm using as a router/AP direct off the fibre. It's fine but it tops out at ~840/915. I could use it as an AP only, but frankly I might as well just use the Home Hub for everything at that point.

There's only one model Edgemax that natively syncs the Bell fibre ONT at the proper speed and it's ~$750, or you can build a pfsense box but it's ~$500 for an SFP card that free hot home sex might work with some hacks, and the the 10G Ethernet cards, so again, pricey.

The Home Hub itself doesn't have "bridge mode" per se, but it allows full speed PPPoE passthough and has a weird DMZ mode that will just directly give your router the WAN IP address, neither one performs any better than just having the router connect directly though. So far the only way I've managed to get more than 840mbit down is directly off the Home Hub. Weirdly the same router managed 950Mbit off the Rogers gigabit connection pretty reliably, so something's odd there.

Not really a problem, just caveat emptor.

If I find a used Home Hub 3k somewhere I might see about gutting the firmware and just leaving the router intact, they've figured out a telnet unlock, but it's not something I'm going to do with the rental.

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I have a Mikrotik hAP AC I'm using as a router/AP direct off the fibre. It's fine but it tops out at ~840/915. I could use it as an AP only, but frankly I might as well just use the Home Hub for everything at that point.

There's only one model Edgemax that natively syncs the Bell fibre ONT at the proper speed and it's ~$750, or you can build a pfsense box but it's ~$500 for an SFP card that show me real sex might work with some hacks, and the the 10G Ethernet cards, so again, pricey.

The Home Hub itself doesn't have "bridge mode" per se, but it allows full speed PPPoE passthough and has a weird DMZ mode that will just directly give your router the WAN IP address, neither one performs any better than just having the router connect directly though. So far the only way I've managed to get more than 840mbit down is directly off the Home Hub. Weirdly the same router managed 950Mbit off the Rogers gigabit connection pretty reliably, so something's odd there.

Not really a problem, just caveat emptor.

If I find a used Home Hub 3k somewhere I might see about gutting the firmware and just leaving the router intact, they've figured out a telnet unlock, but it's not something I'm going to do with the rental.


TPLink make a media converter for SFP to Ethernet for ~$60, and that gets you up to gigabit speeds with a router/firewall that can handle the throughput. You can also get an Intel x520-DA1 PCIe card from ebay that will accept the Bell SFP for about ~$120 to ~$160, and again it will let you get up to gigabit speeds and is supported under linux and *BSD (eg: pfSense supports it)

If you have 1.5gigabit service and don't want to use the HH3k, then you need something which can sync the Bell SFP in '2.5G' mode, and of the devices out there only one, the Edgeswitch ES-16-XG, does that sync reliably with the Bell SFP and indeed it is ~$500. This is just that the better than gigabit space has been very enterprise until recently. You are stuck with a big pocket hit or using the HH3k is you want the 1.5gbit service. There are experiments with other devices that have 10gig SFP ports, but the Bell SFP only supports 1gig or 2.5gig sync rates, and many of the 10gig SFP ports on these devices don't support 2.5gig sync rates. Also the cost is still very high.


The HH3k pass through mode is not really full speed, it's doing something to the pppoe stream, as you can put the HH3k in pass through mode and crash it by sending ipv6 packets over the pppoe link. The DMZ is also broken in the latest firmware (as is port forwarding), so, yeah.

Your router may not be able ot handle gigabit rate pppoe, there is some overhead in using Bell pppoe that isn't present on a Rogers cable connection. I don't know mikrotik devices well enough to know if this is what is impacting you, but there are reports of other 'gigabit' routers that really only do gigabit with no encapsulation and no QoS.

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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

Don't let the little fuckers generation gap you


The upload is always consistently higher than the download too, no matter what connection method you use, by like 70Mbps, which I've seen a lot of people mention on DSLR.

My Mikrotik specifically might be slow enough to get hit by the PPPoE overhead, but it gets exactly the same speeds in the DMZ forwarding mode, and the upload is nearly wire speed, so I'm guessing not.

There are some Broadcom and a few Intel SFP cards that will work with the 2.5G sync, but only with modified drivers, and in the case of Intel, specific firmware versions. In any case I'm not going to drop the money on the extra hardware at the moment. I can wait a few months to see what shakes out, the service has only been available for a month and a half or so, so I expect there to be new options found in the next little while.

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As I mentioned last week, i just got installed Bell gigabit fibe. Yes, with homehub 3k. I like the wifi it provides (those pods are cute and work quite nicely) , too bad i have my own network that i'd like to use (i don't have a commercial router, but a gateway pc that runs openbsd. pf-sense-like but obviously better).
I tried fiddling with DMZ and other crap, but at the end of the day i found that it just works with normal ppoe from the bsd pc, and I get 933 Mbps download and approx 900 Mbps upload. The pc has an i3-4350 CPU with 8GB of RAM and it can handle the household quite nicely.

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Bell 1.5Gbit/940Mbit

Good news: The speeds are real and fast and my friend

Bad news: I hope you like the Home Hub 3k because otherwise you're going to be spending $750-$1500 on additional network gear to get the rated speeds.

Is the 1.5Gbps split between the WiFi and ethernet, or is there a 10g port on the homehub?

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Like 5 minutes ago I was like heh look at us out in the middle of nowhere on the east coast getting 100/10mbps for a reasonable amount! They just got bumped up to 500/500 here in the city and now you guys all getting this gigabit poo poo for cheap as gently caress and nitpicking over speeds above 800mbps. My 100mbps doesn't look so good anymore. And I wont hold my breath for eastlink to better the infrastructure.

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Oct 11, 2012

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Is the 1.5Gbps split between the WiFi and ethernet, or is there a 10g port on the homehub?
AFAIK it's split between WiFi and ethernet, there's four 1G ports. I haven't looked at the switch layout to see if you can get 1.5G across multiple ports.

It allows multiple PPPoE passthroughs, so I was considering trying multiple sessions with load balancing and then port aggregation to see if you could get 1.5G that way, but the overhead would be too much on my hAP to make any difference.

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Like 5 minutes ago I was like heh look at us out in the middle of nowhere on the east coast getting 100/10mbps for a reasonable amount! They just got bumped up to 500/500 here in the city and now you guys all getting this gigabit poo poo for cheap as gently caress and nitpicking over speeds above 800mbps. My 100mbps doesn't look so good anymore. And I wont hold my breath for eastlink to better the infrastructure.

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e: Optimizing the firewall rule order (it was based on an old config with different hardware) netted me another 50Mbit on the downstream, so it's pretty close to wire speed now, close enough I'm willing to accept that the rest is probably due to PPPoE overhead.

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