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Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013



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The word "gently caress" doesn't appear until Midnight Tides, and is used more times in Crippled God than the rest of the series combined.

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Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

We will fight them to the last. And we will defend those that cannot defend themselves. Today we fight, brothers and sisters. Today we stand up and never, ever relent. Brothers and sisters -- prepare yourselves. Today we go to WAR!


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I actually noticed when I first read the series (and more so on my re-read) that the language is a lot cleaner in the earlier books and gets much more coarse as it goes on. It's somewhat gradual but still enough of a shift to pick up even without specifically looking out for it.

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no penis until Midnight Tides and then it takes off. just lol if you dont have this scene burned into your head already from when you first read it.

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Udinaas might have been amused, had he permitted the emotion, to see the coins burned into the emperor's penis pop off, one, two, two more, then four, as Rhulad's desire became apparent.

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My feelings on swearing in fantasy are entirely rational, appropriate, and not at all weird.

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Hello I'm making another attempt to read this series past the first part of House of Chains. Deadhouse Gates is way better than I thought ten years ago. That is all.

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May 21, 2007

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Keep us updated.

Really, though. Hope you enjoy the second attempt. It took me a few tries bouncing off of the series before it sunk its hooks into me.

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BananaNutkins
Aug 26, 2004

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I bounce off every other book, but always come back a year or so later.

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Here's my ten years ago ranking of the Malazan books that I read

The first part of House of Chains, the Karsa Orlong bit
Memories of ice
Gardens of the Moon
Deadhouse Gates

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Gravy Jones
Sep 13, 2003

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Speaking of "a few tries" I just finished my 3rd attempt at Toll The Hounds. The first two times I bounced of it hard but that was on the back of reading the six preceding books at speed and I think I just burned out at that point. The loss of momentum didn't help either. This time I decided to teens having sex clips start with TtH and it was a wise decision.

Those last two or three chapters I was a bit concerned at first because an encounter I knew was coming was a bit abrupt and anticlimactic... but ultimately that was just setting the scene for what came after it. Which was certainly something. I have thoughts... but am still processing everything.

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Ulio
Feb 17, 2011



Finally finished The Bonehunters after months of trying to get through. Looking at reviews on Goodreads it seems liked but that is kinda to be expected this deep into a series.

I hated it. Leoman and Corabb were interesting in the first half of the book but after Y'ghatan the whole book was tedious as hell. Bottle is an awful character with 0 personality. Half the book is through his pov. He doesn't come close to any of the Bridgeburners or even to Smiles/Kindly other lower rank soldiers who we had as POV characters.

The convergence is hinted at but still it felt it came out of nowhere. Lasseen's new *friends* seem like surprises just for the sake of surprises. I know it will be explained in the future but it hurts this book's enjoy ability.

The convergence itself wasn't close to being as epic as the past ones. Raest in Darujhistan vs Rake and Bridgeburners infiltrating the city was better than anything happening in this convergence. And that is just the firstbook which is often considered the worst. I won't even bother comparing it to the others because it is not even close.

Kalam, T'Amber and Tavore have a nice segment at the end. Icarium, Trull and Onrack's part is also great with a special appearance. Too bad that is like literally the last 20 pages for an otherwise shite book.

Also guys this book has Karsa who literally does nothing the whole book. He has that one note worthy fight before he meets Samar Dev that's it.

No epic storyline, mediocre convergence and very little action.

Anyhow I am moving on to Return of the Crimson Guard for my first ICE novel.

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Y'ghatan was the only part of the entire 10 book series that I listened to on audiobook. I listened to it over a 6-hour drive, to and from, and so it has a special place for me. It felt (obviously) much different, and it took on an especially dark tone as Fiddler and the group were navigating the tunnels under the city while I was driving through the mountains in pouring rain. It felt weighty and dire, and I loved the idea of the Bonehunters being literally forged in fire.

Bottle is a pretty boring character, agreed. He shines in some scenes over the course of the novels but his personality is lacking, I don't know, stickiness? He doesn't have much of a hook like some of the other, better characters.

Karsa gets short thrift in The Bonehunters but his fight scene with that monster was one of his best fight scenes, in my opinion. It felt like something out of Conan, like a one-off story in "The Adventures of Karsa". I get wanting more, though.

I really enjoyed Kalam, Tavore, and T'amber's flight through the city, but mostly because of Kalam--Tavore is barely a character until The Crippled God, and T'amber isn't really a character at all. It was weak as far as convergences go, but it was pretty enjoyable for me (especially Fiddler's playing). I guess I was never married to the idea of each book's convergence having to top each before it.

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Here's my ten years ago ranking of the Malazan books that I read

The first part of House of Chains, the Karsa Orlong bit
Memories of ice
Gardens of the Moon
Deadhouse Gates

We've got the same taste, minus Memories of Ice , which I hated. Maybe I'll try it again.

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Feb 17, 2011



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Y'ghatan was the only part of the entire 10 book series that I listened to on audiobook. I listened to it over a 6-hour drive, to and from, and so it has a special place for me. It felt (obviously) much different, and it took on an especially dark tone as Fiddler and the group were navigating the tunnels under the city while I was driving through the mountains in pouring rain. It felt weighty and dire, and I loved the idea of the Bonehunters being literally forged in fire.

Bottle is a pretty boring character, agreed. He shines in some scenes over the course of the novels but his personality is lacking, I don't know, stickiness? He doesn't have much of a hook like some of the other, better characters.

Karsa gets short thrift in The Bonehunters but his fight scene with that monster was one of his best fight scenes, in my opinion. It felt like something out of Conan, like a one-off story in "The Adventures of Karsa". I get wanting more, though.

I really enjoyed Kalam, Tavore, and T'amber's flight through the city, but mostly because of Kalam--Tavore is barely a character until The Crippled God, and T'amber isn't really a character at all. It was weak as far as convergences go, but it was pretty enjoyable for me (especially Fiddler's playing). I guess I was never married to the idea of each book's convergence having to top each before it.

Agree Yghatan was great but that was like the first half of the book.

Bottle we pretty much agree on.

Ya that fight was great as you said but Karsa in House of Chains was something else.

Ya Kalam is a beast. You really get a sense of why, after the first book, the Bridgeburners were so revered.

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Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010



Bonehunters is kind of a Malazan Greatest Hits. None of it really meshes, but holy hell they play all the bangers.

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It's the first book that really focuses on being part of the series first and a good standalone novel second, it doesn't totally land because of that but it has some real good parts

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Gravy Jones
Sep 13, 2003

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I really liked Bonehunters, but I tend to prefer the Malazan heavy books. I loved all the Malaz City stuff at the end, but I never really thought of that as "convergence" along the same lines as we have in many of the other books. I felt like that was more of a traditional climax and the usual convergence was actually the Poliel/Paran stuff which, while being smaller in scale (just one or two gods and a handful of ascendents involved iirc) was neatly done and executed in a way I really appreciated. That said, we definitely have a different definition of what consititutes "very little action".

It's going to be interesting to see what you (Ulio) think about Reaper's Gale, assuming you keep reading, as it's essentially a sequel to a book you loved thick women having sex and a book you hated.

Meanwhile I just started on Dust of Dreams, the final stretch! Well, except for those ICE books (which I may read at some point) and the Kharkanas Trilogy (which I'm kind of "eh" about as I'm not a big fan of the Tiste Andii... but I do like politicing and power struggles).... and possibly at some point a Karsa trilogy.

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Ulio
Feb 17, 2011



Ya it seems I am in the minority with thinking Bonehunters was abysmal. That doesn't mean it had some loving absolutely jaw dropping moments but as a whole it was weak especially post Y'ghatan and minus the very very end.


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I really liked Bonehunters, but I tend to prefer the Malazan heavy books. I loved all the Malaz City stuff at the end, but I never really thought of that as "convergence" along the same lines as we have in many of the other books. I felt like that was more of a traditional climax and the usual convergence was actually the Poliel/Paran stuff which, while being smaller in scale (just one or two gods and a handful of ascendents involved iirc) was neatly done and executed in a way I really appreciated. That said, we definitely have a different definition of what consititutes "very little action".

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I think my point about Bonehunters not having lots of action wasn't communicated properly. There was action in it but it was at the start and the end. There was a large part in the middle where not much "action" happened and I don't only mean combat when I say action. Yes there was a lot of setups for future events but the convergence part of this book was weak as I already stated. Poliel/Paran with Noto was awesome but it should have been saved for the end but that might have made the book even more sluggish to read.

I am not reading Reaper's Gale right now. I started Return of The Crimson Guard and the start thus far has been really strong.

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Pleiades
Aug 20, 2006


I've been pretty slow with the Bonehunters too. I'm 46% complete. It just feels slow compared to the previous works.

FTR, Memories of Ice is my favorite with Midnight Tides at a close second.

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I've been pretty slow with the Bonehunters too. I'm 46% complete. It just feels slow compared to the previous works.

FTR, Memories of Ice is my favorite with Midnight Tides at a close second.

Ah I guess we have similar taste. Memories was definitely really good but it is pretty close between House of Chains, Memories of Ice and Midnight Tides. Deadhouse Gates is also drat good with the Chain of Dogs part being really epic and well written.

GOTM and Bonehunters are the weakest so far imo.

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