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You understand that people are calling it a failure because the main plotlines seemingly go nowhere, and actually regress in one case? Maybe that Selmy poo poo is really awesome, but people mostly care about Tyrion, Jon, and Dany.

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Holy poo poo I can't believe it's out tomorrow.

I tried to re-read all the books before then but only managed to get through the second one (had little time to read as of late... )

Oh well, at least I have synopses on Wikipedia...

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I'm not sure I understand Dany's ending from what I've heard about it. Is she actually heading west "permanently" or just taking a dragon-enabled day trip?

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I just finished my series re-read with AFfC this morning. I had forgotten about the last page. The one that reads, in summary, "Hey everyone I had to cut half of the book out, but don't you worry, it will most likely come out next year. Cheerio, Absolute Fucker, February 2005."

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So, wait

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Habibi posted:

I just finished my series re-read with AFfC this morning. I had forgotten about the last page. The one that reads, in summary, "Hey everyone I had to cut half of the book out, but don't you worry, it will most likely come out next year. Cheerio, Absolute Fucker, February 2005."

What an absolute fucker.

You know, he's apologized for that about a dozen times.

Yes, it's annoying it took close to 6 years for the second half of a book he originally split to come out. We're all a little peeved about it. At some point though doesn't it just become a little tiresome to keep bitching about it? That horse is beyond dead. It's corpse has long decayed and even the bones have been carried off by scavengers - it's time to move on.

Tonight - when the book actually comes out - would be a good time to do so, don't you all think? Plenty of stuff to bitch about in the new book, I imagine.

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Habibi posted:

I just finished my series re-read with AFfC this morning. I had forgotten about the last page. The one that reads, in summary, "Hey everyone I had to cut half of the book out, but don't you worry, it will most likely come out next year. Cheerio, Absolute Fucker, February 2005."

What an absolute fucker.

Due to the large viewership of the HBO series, this scenario is almost certainly happening right now: somewhere there is some guy who just started reading the books for the first time a few weeks back. He saw the HBO series, went to a used bookstore, and bought them all. Today, July 11, 2011, he finished A Feast for Crows and got to "Meanwhile, Back on the Wall...". He's like, "poo poo, when do I get to learn about Dany, Jon and Tyrion?" A quick Google shows that "A Dance with Dragons" comes out tomorrow -- what marvelous luck! -- so he goes to the store the next day and buys it.

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SlipkPIe posted:

So, wait

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SlipkPIe posted:

So, wait

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is full of dudes who just absolutely hate the poo poo out of GRRM and A Song of Ice and Fire but keep reading the books?

The books are great. GRRM is the problem. If only we could take him out of the equation and assemble a team of authors to finish the series in his stead, in a timely fashion. Bret Easton Ellis can handle the creepy sex, clearly, so he's in.

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SlipkPIe posted:

So, wait

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is full of dudes who just absolutely hate the poo poo out of GRRM and A Song of Ice and Fire but keep reading the books?

We don't hate A Song of Ice and Fire at all. If you had waited a whole six years for a book that seems to consist of a lot of filler, you might be a little upset too. I plan on finishing this whole series to the end no matter what (if there ever is an end)

I am pleased that the Jon chapters look interesting at least and have him try to accomplish something. Tyrion's seem to consist of him being a complete loving goon to all the women he meets. Dany had been an increasing disappointment and it sounds like she has regressed so far back that I am considering skipping her chapters all together.

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SlipkPIe posted:

So, wait

This whole thread

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is full of dudes who just absolutely hate the poo poo out of GRRM and A Song of Ice and Fire but keep reading the books?

As is the case with many (most) discussion forums, there is little room for the middle on any given topic. Either you love something unconditionally, find it without flaw (or the occasional token flaw that in no way diminishes the majesty of whatever it is), and are total, slobbering, blind fanboy who honestly believes that anyone who thinks otherwise has a severe mental condition that requires medication to treat
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whatever the topic is, is the worst thing ever produced, said, or thought. Worse than nuclear war or the black plague; a stain upon humanity. It is punishment sent by God for the sins of man, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a simpering suck-rear end who's opinion on all topics, related or otherwise, can hereby be rendered moot.

Whether it's politics, cars, tv shows, books, philosopy, or religion, it's all the same: there is one Right Answer, and everything else is Wrong. Nothing really new here; it's been like this forever. In the case of this book, the fact that no one has had much to do in the last 6 years but bitch about how long it has taken while re-reading the existing books and finding new flaws with them (familiarity, as always, breeding contempt) has led us to the current situation, where hating the books, and the author, is considered high sport, with points awarded for extra creativity.

Hopefully now that we have a new book the thread can evolve in to discussing it, but the vitriol train has been running for so long now it's going to be hard to stop.

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Red Cat posted:

Due to the large viewership of the HBO series, this scenario is almost certainly happening right now: somewhere there is some guy who just started reading the books for the first time a few weeks back. He saw the HBO series, went to a used bookstore, and bought them all. Today, July 11, 2011, he finished A Feast for Crows and got to "Meanwhile, Back on the Wall...". He's like, "poo poo, when do I get to learn about Dany, Jon and Tyrion?" A quick Google shows that "A Dance with Dragons" comes out tomorrow -- what marvelous luck! -- so he goes to the store the next day and buys it.

Joke's on those new-fan assholes when they have to wait 7 years for Winds of Winter.

Their bitter tears and weeping wails of "when is book 6 coming out?" is going to be the driving force behind every masturbation session I have from here on.

Until the GRUM eats himself to death while blogging about football, leaving the series, unlike any meal that has ever been placed before him, unfinished. The desecration of his grave will serve as a bitter reminder to authors that they should write first, and attend creepy conventions where they grope the underage female attendants when they're finished.

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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

The books are great. GRRM is the problem. If only we could take him out of the equation and assemble a team of authors to finish the series in his stead, in a timely fashion. Bret Easton Ellis can handle the creepy sex, clearly, so he's in.

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Hopefully now that we have a new book the thread can evolve in to discussing it, but the vitriol train has been running for so long now it's going to be hard to stop.

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We just need a new bad thread so that those people can post there and the other people can post here.

The spoiler-free thread has been great about serious discussion and asking actual questions as opposed to calling for the blood of the author every other post. They are also normal human beings who understand how the spoiler blocks on this forum work and will not complain if you post them unlike another certain spoiler-free thread.

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SlipkPIe posted:

So, wait

This whole thread

The entire thread

is full of dudes who just absolutely hate the poo poo out of GRRM and A Song of Ice and Fire but keep reading the books?

Nah. It's full of people who are just really loving annoyed with how long it's taken him to get the last two books out, and the litany of excuses / diversions that have preceded them.

Ixian posted:

You know, he's apologized for that about a dozen times.

Apologies squeezed out between bites of cake and bacon don't count.

quote:

Yes, it's annoying it took close to 6 years for the second half of a book he originally split to come out. We're all a little peeved about it. At some point though doesn't it just become a little tiresome to keep bitching about it? That horse is beyond dead. It's corpse has long decayed and even the bones have been carried off by scavengers - it's time to move on.
Eh, it's not like I've been bitching about it for years. I've been annoyed for years, but have posted maybe twice about it. This just came up because I just finished AFfC and it reminded me what his initial projection was.

quote:

Tonight - when the book actually comes out - would be a good time to do so, don't you all think? Plenty of stuff to bitch about in the new book, I imagine.

I just hope the last page isn't all, "Hey guys expect the next book next year!" again. We'll have enough bitching about the length of time it'll take even without that provocation.

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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

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You understand that people are calling it a failure because the main plotlines seemingly go nowhere, and actually regress in one case? Maybe that Selmy poo poo is really awesome, but people mostly care about Tyrion, Jon, and Dany.

Alright, well the first two do advance, and I would say Dany's does too, unless your only criteria for her progressing is getting from essos to westoros and not how her character changes in between. And if you're dismayed that I'm not being more critical it's because I read with the belief (perhaps erroneously) that the book is supposed to be complementary to AFFC, so I wasn't disappointed when Dany, Tyrion, and Jon didn't storm king's landing on dragons to reclaim the iron throne. ADWD doesn't wrap up the ASOIAF series, but it does reconnect major characters to the post-ASOS world and moves the story where the next major war is on the horizon.

I've always enjoyed the minor characters more than Tyrion, Jon, or Dany (Jaime, Tywin, and Peytr are my favorites in that order), so maybe I wasn't expecting much from them. I was disappointed that Jaime only had one chapter, but it's cool because he got to shine some in AFFC.

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e: all will be forgiven if we get a Hodor POV.
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Pedro De Heredia posted:

What else could this previously quoted passage mean:

It's a weird thing to leave ambiguous, though. I'm no dude but if I was I feel like my POV chapters would be 12 pages of THIS DUDE CUT OFF MY DICK and not mumbling in the back of my cell wondering where a few of my fingers and toes went.

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Contra Calculus posted:

Good god, Gurm isn't even trying with Ramsay or any of the Boltons really. They're so hilariously over-the-top. Seriously, they live in a place called "The Dreadfort," they have a family tradition of skinning people and then wearing their skins, and they have a loving flayed man as their house sigil. Top it all off by having them murder/torture some of the main characters and there you go. Remember when he wrote villainous characters that were still somewhat sympathetic?
The thing is i think GRRM is obviously building up Ramsay as Sansa's main antagonist in the North. Yeah now we just need paris hilton eating pussy and we have the whole Good Virginal Queen/Evil Rapist Lord/Brave White Knight package for Sansa to live a real fairy tale* story. But for the first three books i suspected that GRRM was going to use Gregor as the Evil Rapist Lord, so i guess it may be wishful thinking from my part.


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Ixian posted:

At some point though doesn't it just become a little tiresome to keep bitching about it?

At some point doesn't it just become a bit tiresome to come to the bad thread and tell people what is OK to post about?

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And all his dialogue would be "Hodor."

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No, I am in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

Got a friend in the area, or state, at least, tipped him about that. Thanks. I'm still stuck waiting for Amazon, myself, through.

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Red Cat posted:

Due to the large viewership of the HBO series, this scenario is almost certainly happening right now: somewhere there is some guy who just started reading the books for the first time a few weeks back. He saw the HBO series, went to a used bookstore, and bought them all. Today, July 11, 2011, he finished A Feast for Crows and got to "Meanwhile, Back on the Wall...". He's like, "poo poo, when do I get to learn about Dany, Jon and Tyrion?" A quick Google shows that "A Dance with Dragons" comes out tomorrow -- what marvelous luck! -- so he goes to the store the next day and buys it.

I literally finished book 4 last night, and laughed at the note at the end.

I had to deal with the Dark Tower series wait, so I can kind of sympathize. However, the difference there is that King's auto accident and writing falling off of a cliff as a result has tempered my expectations of any long-going series. Now, I don't get as worked up for waits any more; although if it had been like 10 years ago, I'd be pissed at GRRM as well.

I mean, even now, I'm not really excited; I'm actually somewhat dreading having to wade through Dany chapters again.

Reading through the books for the first time in quick succession also probably makes it easier to see GRRM's "gimmicks." After a while, some of them get annoying - mainly the "this person hears accurate information that would help them out tremendously but does not believe it" and "I'll purposely make you get attached to a P.O.V. character and the moment that you do, I'll kill them or have something horrible happen to them for a nut-punch to the reader!"

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Darko posted:

I literally finished book 4 last night, and laughed at the note at the end.

I had to deal with the Dark Tower series wait, so I can kind of sympathize. However, the difference there is that King's auto accident and writing falling off of a cliff as a result has tempered my expectations of any long-going series. Now, I don't get as worked up for waits any more; although if it had been like 10 years ago, I'd be pissed at GRRM as well.
Never having read King I have to ask out of curiosity: his writing falling off is attriibuted to a car accident?

quote:

I mean, even now, I'm not really excited; I'm actually somewhat dreading having to wade through Dany chapters again.
I wasn't before, but having seen some of the spoilers, I'm dreading her chapters now. I probably shouldn't be, but still...

quote:

Reading through the books for the first time in quick succession also probably makes it easier to see GRRM's "gimmicks." After a while, some of them get annoying - mainly the "this person hears accurate information that would help them out tremendously but does not believe it" and "I'll purposely make you get attached to a P.O.V. character and the moment that you do, I'll kill them or have something horrible happen to them for a nut-punch to the reader!"
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