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I look forward to you deliberately acting in bad faith towards the subject of character voice.

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I look forward to you deliberately acting in bad faith towards the subject of character voice.

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I just recently read through it. I enjoyed the opening action, and Sevarian's first space walk, but I kind of found myself struggling through the back half, largely due to the intentional repetition. It does neatly tie up a lot of loose ends.

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Why the gently caress do people keep talking about bad faith, I do not yield in my adherence to the Church

How much longer do you need to be in the church until the lessons on charitability kick in?

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I think this review is particularly bad spirited. I love Lawrence Sterne, Nabokov, Faulkner, Gene Wolfe, Zelazny, Proust (whose prose and sentence structure New Sun is in some part hoisted from - some lines are taken directly from in search of lost time) and the book stands up to reread and symbolic analyses. Attacking readers for what they like is a precedent you approach here so I don’t mind suggesting you are a mouth breathing plot driven philistine. Let’s be honest modern prose from the likes of Pynchon is either wooden or farcical and that is a matter of taste. Quoting finnegans wake would be far worse on readers than these Wolfe sections, but, much like Joyce, Wolfe is always doing something. Severian isn’t a bad writer his thoughts are metaphysically beautiful and resonant but he is not someone in tune with your zeitgeist so you label him as such. I don’t mind that the book isn’t for you but attacking the readers and the idea that there is scholarship on the book (though much of it is bad) makes your review pretty bitter and hamfisted. Tendentious tripe.

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So I stumbled on this thread yesterday and wondered how I'd like this guy, and I borrowed Pirate Freedom off the Open Library and read through it in a night.

I feel like I must be missing something -- why do you guys call him the most despicable protagonist? Am I missing something? The only thing that was really shocking was toward the end of the book, when he spends a paragraph or two mentioning that the pirates DID torture people, but I can't bring myself to blame him too much. It was shown several times in the first half of the book how being a pirate captain didn't actually give you a ton of authority, and how if you didn't do things the way the crew wanted they'd end up killing you or leaving you for dead on some remote island -- I lost track of how many of his own pirates he had to fight by the end. I have to imagine he didn't have a lot of latitude to say "Hey, don't burn that guy or sell those slaves." I didn't blame him for the "murder" he confesses to at the beginning either; from what we'd already seen he'd end up having to kill Michet one way or another. I felt like he got up to some bad things in a Heart of Darkness sort of way, but at the same time, he was what, 16 at the start of the book? He left school and immediately got dropped into a very brutal world, and it's going to be very hard for a teenager to stop himself from getting caught up in it, especially when his first brush with the Spanish Navy has them break their word, steal from him, and generally seem less honorable than the pirates. He still freed the slaves that he could and stopped his women from getting raped, it felt like he was at least trying to hold onto his humanity. I know he could have probably ditched the ship at some port and ran away inland to go and be a farmhand or something, but he's constantly seeing reasons to view the Spanish as the enemy and hey, he's a teenager. It's gonna be very hard for him to leave behind something that has been rewarding him and making him feel successful, especially when he has nowhere else to go.

From the sounds of this author, I'm probably missing some important subtleties here, but I'm interested to know whether "despicable protagonist" is typical SA hyperbole or if he's to blame for more than I know about. A lot of the brutality seemed very typical for the time period and it's hard to imagine Crisoforo not having to take part, unless this free wedding sex video was a typical boys' adventure novel where he's able to talk all the pirates into being nice people with modern sensibilities.

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So I stumbled on this thread yesterday and wondered how I'd like this guy, and I borrowed Pirate Freedom off the Open Library and read through it in a night.

I feel like I must be missing something -- why do you guys call him the most despicable protagonist? Am I missing something? The only thing that was really shocking was toward the end of the book, when he spends a paragraph or two mentioning that the pirates DID torture people, but I can't bring myself to blame him too much. It was shown several times in the first half of the book how being a pirate captain didn't actually give you a ton of authority, and how if you didn't do things the way the crew wanted they'd end up killing you or leaving you for dead on some remote island -- I lost track of how many of his own pirates he had to fight by the end. I have to imagine he didn't have a lot of latitude to say "Hey, don't burn that guy or sell those slaves." I didn't blame him for the "murder" he confesses to at the beginning either; from what we'd already seen he'd end up having to kill Michet one way or another. I felt like he got up to some bad things in a Heart of Darkness sort of way, but at the same time, he was what, 16 at the start of the book? He left school and immediately got dropped into a very brutal world, and it's going to be very hard for a teenager to stop himself from getting caught up in it, especially when his first brush with the Spanish Navy has them break their word, steal from him, and generally seem less honorable than the pirates. He still freed the slaves that he could and stopped his women from getting raped, it felt like he was at least trying to hold onto his humanity. I know he could have probably ditched the ship at some port and ran away inland to go and be a farmhand or something, but he's constantly seeing reasons to view the Spanish as the enemy and hey, he's a teenager. It's gonna be very hard for him to leave behind something that has been rewarding him and making him feel successful, especially when he has nowhere else to go.

From the sounds of this author, I'm probably missing some important subtleties here, but I'm interested to know whether "despicable protagonist" is typical SA hyperbole or if he's to blame for more than I know about. A lot of the brutality seemed very typical for the time period and it's hard to imagine Crisoforo not having to take part, unless this pussy teen free video was a typical boys' adventure novel where he's able to talk all the pirates into being nice people with modern sensibilities.

It is probably wolfe’s simplest but he still has some tricky stuff going on. Spoilers of course. His father leaves him at the monastery and is a real “wise guy” - later he thinks that if he can find his father he can avert some of
The disasters (see literal meaning of the name lesage - the wise guy). Also, Chris leaves the monastery to avoid being thought of as a homosexual and he falls immediately into being raped. When he almost dies at the end he is thrust back into the future and has the chance to make sure that his young self never goes back, but instead as Ignacio (fiery) condemns cristofero (follower of Christ) to follow his own desires rather than christ’s And even stands by and watches as the boy steals food when he could have bought the boy food and stopped it all. He chooses it at the end and condemns himself. The whole thing is moral casuistry. He had the chance to undo it (pirate freedom) but instead choose it again to get the girl as an old man, damning himself. Some passages make clear how awful the things the pirates did were, like twisting our guts and eyeballs etc. it isn’t necessarily the boy by himself who sins irrevocably but the old man whose lack of charity ensures it all happens just as it did, becoming the damned ignacio following his own will, that leads to the fire.

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Many of the names in pirate freedom are also allegorical so when certain characters are killed or traded off it’s like a pilgrim’s progress to moral bankruptcy.

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It is probably wolfe’s simplest but he still has some tricky stuff going on. Spoilers of course. His father leaves him at the monastery and is a real “wise guy” - later he thinks that if he can find his father he can avert some of
The disasters (see literal meaning of the name lesage - the wise guy). Also, Chris leaves the monastery to avoid being thought of as a homosexual and he falls immediately into being raped. When he almost dies at the end he is thrust back into the future and has the chance to make sure that his young self never goes back, but instead as Ignacio (fiery) condemns cristofero (follower of Christ) to follow his own desires rather than christ’s And even stands by and watches as the boy steals food when he could have bought the boy food and stopped it all. He chooses it at the end and condemns himself. The whole thing is moral casuistry. He had the chance to undo it (pirate freedom) but instead choose it again to get the girl as an old man, damning himself. Some passages make clear how awful the things the pirates did were, like twisting our guts and eyeballs etc. it isn’t necessarily the boy by himself who sins irrevocably but the old man whose lack of charity ensures it all happens just as it did, becoming the damned ignacio following his own will, that leads to the fire.

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