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The Salamanders are pretty righteous dudes.

They aren't a major faction. They're a small part of the armed forced of the Imperium... and don't even have their own codex.

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They aren't a major faction. They're a small part of the armed forced of the Imperium... and don't even have their own codex.

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None of the major factions are good; everyone's out to look for their continued survival first and foremost.

The Tau seem to be pretty cool guys. They would rather diplomacy than war, and would like to see everyone working together for the greater good.

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The Tau seem to be pretty cool guys. They would rather diplomacy than war, and would like to see everyone working together for the greater good.

Here's how Tau diplomacy works:

*points gun* Dissolve your existing government structures and join our highly stratified caste-system empire, were you'll be third class citizens forever. *cocks gun* It's for the Greater Good (lit. "The Tau Way") of all.

They're only "pretty cool" in that they prefer subjugation over annihilation of other species, but even when fully integrated they're treated like untouchables by the Tau castes.

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Don't the Tau just sterilize other species when they decide they don't really want to be Greater GoodTM untouchables and then just wait until the last member has died off to move in on the planet?

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Don't the Tau just sterilize other species when they decide they don't really want to be Greater GoodTM untouchables and then just wait until the last member has died off to move in on the planet?

Not quite; they do the sterilization and slow genocide thing, but they will move on to the planet before the genocide is complete.

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Here's how Tau diplomacy works:

*points gun* Dissolve your existing government structures and join our highly stratified caste-system empire, were you'll be third class citizens forever. *cocks gun* It's for the Greater Good (lit. "The Tau Way") of all.

They're only "pretty cool" in that they prefer subjugation over annihilation of other species, but even when fully integrated they're treated like untouchables by the Tau castes.

I think the newer fluff has hinted at some much more grimdark stuff going on in the Tau empire wrt the Ethereals and their subjugation of other races. The one major Tau hero who broke away apparently discovered some awful secret about the ruling government.

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Well, it is heavily implied that the Ethereals have a form of mind control over the other castes through pheromones, which is a likely reason why Farsight broke off (he stayed away from Ethereal influence long enough that him and his forces wore it off). We also know from the Dawn of War: Dark Crusade game how they treat rebellious populations, and I've heard rumours that the Vespid are also being mind controlled through some means, but I don't recall where I heard that.

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It's the mask thing the vespid squad leaders wear, it's implied that it's a brain-control-device due to them magically understanding the Tau when they had it put on.

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That's not the reveal, just a small plot twist. The reveal comes early on, it's that mom daughter lesbian pics Omegon has betrayed Alpharius and is destroying the installation so that the Emperor will be able to summon the White Scars.

It is that really what was going on? I didn't get that at all from the story

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Not quite; they do the sterilization and slow genocide thing, but they will move on to the planet before the genocide is complete.

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It is that really what was going on? I didn't get that at all from the story

I really don't get how people are missing that. Do they think it was just a story about Omegon lesbian girls on webcam having a bunch of Alpha Legionnaires killed and and hiding it from his brother with no ramifications for the Heresy? poo poo, he even lets Ranko free tiny tabby porn drink his blood to show him the summer storm porn star real reason why they're performing the mission. If the situation was like he had been claiming, that it was because there was a "leak" in the legion, there would have been no reason to do that.

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I started with Horus Heresy, I hope thats a good starting point. I've read Gaunts Ghosts before though.

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Why can't humans or Orks access the Webway? Why do the Eldar have exclusive access?

As for humans I think the Emp was close to this but Magnus inadvertantly destroyed it when he used his powers to try and warn him of the heresy which lead to Prospero burning.

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Yeah, I know of that, but why couldn't they access it like the Eldar do? Why did they need to build that gateway on Terra? Why can't humans access the existing gates the Old Ones built?

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Yeah, I know of that, but why couldn't they access it like the Eldar do? Why did they need to build that gateway on Terra? Why can't humans access the existing gates the Old Ones built?

Because humans don't know where the "doors" are. On top of that, the Webway is like a labyrinth, and if you don't know the structure, you will get lost. Finally, much of the Webway is in disrepair, and many of the doors and tunnels have collapsed.

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Then the only obstacle is lack of information. All they need to do is torture or bribe some Eldar into giving up his maps.

Surely the Eldar must have taken additional measures to keep other races out of the Webway for the past 10,000 years.

The Necrons use the Webway now, apparently (didn't they use some sort of phase-technology before?).

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Because humans don't know where the "doors" are. On top of that, the Webway is like a labyrinth, and if you don't know the structure, you will get lost. Finally, much of the Webway is in disrepair, and many of the doors and tunnels have collapsed.

There is fluff regarding some Inquisitors having used the Webway, but for the most part, it's pretty much Eldar exclusive.

Doesnt Ravener and crew use something like a webway (in the shape of a magic door) to time travel at some point?

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Doesnt Ravener and crew use something like a webway (in the shape of a magic door) to time travel at some point?

What they used was entirely different.

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I get the impression that this hasn't been addressed in the fluff yet. I'm surprised, because it's a pretty important plot point.

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I get the impression that this hasn't been addressed in the fluff yet. I'm surprised, because it's a pretty important plot point.

What, using the webway? I recall fluff bits about how Eldar close up or hide entrances that have been discovered, and deal with extreme prejudice any serious attempts to map them.

Webway entrances are also apparently completely undetectable (or close enough to make it practically so), meaning no way to find them if you don't know exactly where they are.

On torturing or bribing, the webway is so fundamental to the continuing survival of the Eldar species (both Craftworld and Dark Eldar), that it is a betrayal of the utmost caliber to reveal its routes. Craftworld eldar are also highly conditioned against torture by default (dark eldar being another can of worms), and presumably anyone with full maps would have psychic locks placed in to protect the information. Add to that Craftworld eldar being gudided by some of the most powerful prescients in the galaxy, who would be quick to take action against any threat to the secrecy of the webway...

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So they're very serious about protecting information. It's still just a matter of information. 10,000 years is plenty of time for the Inquisition or the Mechanicum to crack the Eldar's veil of secrecy (then again, this is hardly the only absurdity in W40K, so maybe I'm nitpicky).

Maybe they could say that Webway gates are designed to only respond to Eldar commands. Maybe there's something about the Eldar mind or soul that humans simply cannot replicate. If a human psyker tried to open one he would fail because it just doesn't work for humans.

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So they're very serious about protecting information. It's still just a matter of information. 10,000 years is plenty of time for the Inquisition or the Mechanicum to crack the Eldar's veil of secrecy (then again, this is hardly the only absurdity in W40K, so maybe I'm nitpicky).

Maybe they could say that Webway gates are designed to only respond to Eldar commands. Maybe there's something about the Eldar mind or soul that humans simply cannot replicate. If a human psyker tried to open one he would fail because it just doesn't work for humans.

Neither party even know that the webway exists, for the most part. The Emperor's final project is one of his deepest secrets, and basically nobody's ever heard of it except for maybe Magnus himself.

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So they're very serious about protecting information. It's still just a matter of information. 10,000 years is plenty of time for the Inquisition or the Mechanicum to crack the Eldar's veil of secrecy (then again, this is hardly the only absurdity in W40K, so maybe I'm nitpicky).

Maybe they could say that Webway gates are designed to only respond to Eldar commands. Maybe there's something about the Eldar mind or soul that humans simply cannot replicate. If a human psyker tried to open one he would fail because it just doesn't work for humans.

Humans don't know it exists, lack the technology to enter it, wouldn't be able to navigate it, and would be hunted down and destroyed if they somehow made their way in. Plus, the entirety of the webway exists in between real space and the warp; it's not just a matter of finding a hidden door somewhere. Even the Emperor, the greatest scientist and psyker in the history of the galaxy, struggled to unlock its secrets. And it's not like the Eldar created the webway, it was an invention of the Old Ones. The Eldar are just the only ones with the technology, knowledge, and psychic ability to access it.

It's also fairly reasonable to assume that if the mechanicum was getting close to being able to reliably access the webway, that research would be be wiped out considering farseers can literally predict and alter the future.

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It's best to just assume that if anyone had gained enough knowledge of the webway to be even a vague threat to the security of it, their planet would have been hit by an extinction event sized asteroid. Or a Hive Fleet. Or Ork Waaah. Or their sun exploded.
The Eldar, for all their pointy-eared foppishness, do not gently caress around.

Remember, these are the guys (Biel-Tan in particular) who will murder everyone on a planet because they terraformed it a million years ago, and while they aren't using it now, and may never use it in the future, they did put their towel on the beach first.

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Every race gets a couple "I win" buttons in the fluff, and mastering the webway is one of them for the Imperium, I believe, since it would remove their dependence on the astronomican as well as the vagaries of warp travel. Which is why the Horus Heresy happened when it did.

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One instance I can remember of the Webway being seen or used by a human was in Daemonifuge at one point where Stern travelled through alongside some Eldar she had just met.

Wasn't Inquisitor Czevak was another human to have been escorted safely through the Webway and also visited the Black Library?

The old fluff seems to have implied that even if you could open the portals, you wouldn't know where to go and would just get lost but it did imply that other races could in theory travel the webway. I remember reading stories of portals being destroyed by the Eldar to stop Chaos forces accessing it.

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I remember reading some old novel about an Inquisitor, a squat and an Imperial Fist who end up going into the webway for some reason. It was... odd though. I think the Fist ended turning into a Thousand Son for a bit until his dead battle brothers turned him back.

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I remember reading some old novel about an Inquisitor, a squat and an Imperial Fist who end up going into the webway for some reason. It was... odd though. I think the Fist ended turning into a Thousand Son for a bit until his dead battle brothers turned him back.

I want to say that you are wrong, but I can't really remember clearly, and the Inquisitor War trilogy was insane enough that it's plausible.

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I remember reading some old novel about an Inquisitor, a squat and an Imperial Fist who end up going into the webway for some reason. It was... odd though. I think the Fist ended turning into a Thousand Son for a bit until his dead battle brothers turned him back.

I think that was the original Inquisitor series by Ian Watson during the 90s, not sure how much of that is still canon though.

Edit: Yeah it was the one with Jain Zar and the dancing dreadnought.

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Humans don't know it exists, lack the technology to enter it, wouldn't be able to navigate it, and would be hunted down and destroyed if they somehow made their way in. Plus, the entirety of the webway exists in between real space and the warp; it's not just a matter of finding a hidden door somewhere. Even the Emperor, the greatest scientist and psyker in the history of the galaxy, struggled to unlock its secrets. And it's not like the Eldar created the webway, it was an invention of the Old Ones. The Eldar are just the only ones with the technology, knowledge, and psychic ability to access it.

It's also fairly reasonable to assume that if the mechanicum was getting close to being able to reliably access the webway, that research would be be wiped out considering farseers can literally predict and alter the future.

So how does the Imperium figure the Eldar move around? All they'd have to do is capture an Eldar outcast with a grudge against his people or who is so utterly selfish (every society has these types) that he would sell out his people in exchange for riches.

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So how does the Imperium figure the Eldar move around? All they'd have to do is capture an Eldar outcast with a grudge against his people or who is so utterly selfish (every society has these types) that he would sell out his people in exchange for riches.

Keep in mind that the Eldar think of humans the same way that we think of a particularly dumb gorilla. Even if one of them decided to cause the extinction of the Eldar by revealing the secret of the webway, it certainly wouldn't come to humanity to do so. It'd be like you deciding to reveal how space travel works to the gorillas down at the zoo. I also highly doubt that any one eldar has the knowledge of a significant portion of the webway, so they would only be able to reveal a path or two at best.

Beyond that, the Imperium as a whole has a rather dim view of xenos and their trickery. I'm pretty sure rather than try and understand how they move about, they mostly just file it under eldar witchery

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