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The Imperium, as a whole, is pretty unintelligent, and ignorant about things. They are just normal people living in their hyperindustrialized religious cities, and they know only what they need to know. There has been reference made to the fact that most of them don't even know that the traitor astartes even exist.

As you go up the heirarchy though, them more and more knowlege becomes availale. Even then, the higher ups probably don't know everything.

Then you have the Inquisition. They are the ones who tend to know the most, as it is their duty to understand, investigate, and refuse the xenos, heretics and demons. It is also their duty to censor any information that they deem to be damaging to the Imperium, even if that means exterminating everything on a planet. (Like whiping out the citizens of Armageddon after the first war because they fought chaos.)


By the way, what is the name of the book involving the Space Wolves during the first war for Armageddon? It seemed interesting to me, and I would like to pick it up. I just forget the name.

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By the way, what is the name of the book involving the Space Wolves during the first war for Armageddon? It seemed interesting to me, and I would like to pick it up. I just forget the name.

The Emperor's Gift by Dembski-Bowden.

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Oh, awesome, it is written by Dembski-Bowden. That makes it even more desirable to me.

Thanks man.


Edit: Yup, found the book about the inquisitor. It is Chaos Child by Ian Watson. Writing wise, it really wasn't that bad, though the description of Emperor's Children raping people was a bit much, but fluff and story wise, it was pretty hosed up.

By the way, what is this bit about a dancing dreadnaught. It must have been from the other two books in the series.

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Primarch Khan entered and got lost in the Webway, so clearly humans know something about it and how to enter it.

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Primarch Khan entered and got lost in the Webway, so clearly humans know something about it and how to enter it.

Primarchs are legendary demigods from 10,000 years ago, not regular people.

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A question about Blanks: Blanks are repulsive to other humans, especially psykers, but what about each other? Can Blanks tolerate each other's presence? The Emperor once had a paramilitary force called the Sisters of Silence - if these blanks were able to form a group they must have been able to bond emotionally with each other.

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As in comrades-in-arms. Soldiers need to bond with each other in order to form a cooperative group that can handle the rigors of war.

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As in comrades-in-arms. Soldiers need to bond with each other in order to form a cooperative group that can handle the rigors of war.

Yes I know. But on the other hand, Warhammer

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A question about Blanks: Blanks are repulsive to other humans, especially psykers, but what about each other? Can Blanks tolerate each other's presence? The Emperor once had a paramilitary force called the Sisters of Silence - if these blanks were able to form a group they must have been able to bond emotionally with each other.

As I understand it, the feeling of wrongness a blank exudes expresses itself in many ways; the most powerful (think capital-P Pariah level) exude an aura of 'should not be' that makes them more terrifying than most daemons- at least daemons are part of the Warp, which is in itself part of the universe. Even if one does not have a soul, one can still feel that aura emanating from them.

And at the other end of the scale is people like Ciaphas Cain's aide Jurgen, who while being able to disrupt psychic signals, is relatively 'un-blank' enough to simply come across as platemail-rumplingly scruffy. I guess the big E only plonked Jurgen-level ladies together in the Sisters, maybe?

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As I understand it, the feeling of wrongness a blank exudes expresses itself in many ways; the most powerful (think capital-P Pariah level) exude an aura of 'should not be' that makes them more terrifying than most daemons- at least daemons are part of the Warp, which is in itself part of the universe. Even if one does not have a soul, one can still feel that aura emanating from them.

And at the other end of the scale is people like Ciaphas Cain's aide Jurgen, who while being able to disrupt psychic signals, is relatively 'un-blank' enough to simply come across as platemail-rumplingly scruffy. I guess the big E only plonked Jurgen-level ladies together in the Sisters, maybe?

I think Necron Pariah's have their 'blankness' amplified but most of the blanks from the fluff just seem to be normal human beings capable of working and connecting with other people. They're only seem to be extremely repulsive to pskyers but to normal humans, I always figured they just seemed weird or a bit off. The three most memorable Blanks from the fluff, Jurgen, Bequin and Frauka. All three were okay working with others but had characteristics that would put people off.

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Yeah, I know of that, but why couldn't they access it like the Eldar do? Why did they need to build that gateway on Terra? Why can't humans access the existing gates the Old Ones built?
Serious answer:

Because GW don't always remember if "The Old Ones" or the Eldar built the drat thing in the first place.

Humans have been into it, it takes a Farseer to prevent a gate collapsing and this one time Gotrek and Felix got lost in it (no really).

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So how does the Imperium figure the Eldar move around? All they'd have to do is capture an Eldar outcast with a grudge against his people or who is so utterly selfish (every society has these types) that he would sell out his people in exchange for riches.
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As I understand it, the feeling of wrongness a blank exudes expresses itself in many ways; the most powerful (think capital-P Pariah level) exude an aura of 'should not be' that makes them more terrifying than most daemons- at least daemons are part of the Warp, which is in itself part of the universe. Even if one does not have a soul, one can still feel that aura emanating from them.

And at the other end of the scale is people like Ciaphas Cain's aide Jurgen, who while being able to disrupt psychic signals, is relatively 'un-blank' enough to simply come across as platemail-rumplingly scruffy. I guess the big E only plonked Jurgen-level ladies together in the Sisters, maybe?
The way it was originally explained is that the warp is like space, and every human's soul is a star like a tiny pinprick of light in it, the Emperor a huge inferno and Eldar etc small candles. Blanks are just not there, but if you can see other stars you can see the light being sucked into the blank. Basically think black holes instead of stars, where stars are souls.

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So how does the Imperium figure the Eldar move around? All they'd have to do is capture an Eldar outcast with a grudge against his people or who is so utterly selfish (every society has these types) that he would sell out his people in exchange for riches.

I think you're about 25 years behind on the fluff. It's not Rogue Trader 1st edition anymore.

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Humans have been into it, it takes a Farseer to prevent a gate collapsing and this one time Gotrek and Felix got lost in it (no really).


That wasn't the webway, and Warhammer Fantasy does not take place in the same universe as 40k. Also Teclis is not a farseer

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That wasn't the webway, and Warhammer Fantasy does not take place in the same universe as 40k. Also Teclis is not a farseer
It was when Bill King started writing for them and damned if he's giving up on it just because he's been told to.

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It was when Bill King started writing for them and damned if he's giving up on it just because he's been told to.

The magical network in Giantslayer is analogous to the webway (the same way that WHF elves are similar to 40k Eldar), but saying they're the same thing will only serve to confuse people who are new to the settings.

Anyways, I'm about a third of the way through chubby girl anal sex Luthor Huss and so far, it's very, very good -- Chris Wraight obviously enjoys writing in the Old World setting. It helps too that the book is more focused than some of his more recent works -- off the top of my head, unprotected sex on period Wrath of Iron was told from something like naked japanese girls photos eight different perspectives and suffered for it. porn star gets aids Luthor Huss basically sticks to Luthor and his companions, a witch hunter and his companions, and some flashbacks to Luthor's childhood and it is hot and horny porn so much stronger for it.

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The Fantasy world used to be "no really I swear you guys" not in the 40k universe (nudge nudge wink wink). This was borne out by the Albion campaign, which ended with magic items that were just 40k items (a Rosarius, a Bolter) being made available to numerous factions. It also included sketches of warriors of Chaos who came from the Realm of Chaos and were just Chaos Space Marines. Also the rumors that Sigmar was a lost primarch and that the whole Fantasy world was in the Eye of Terror as a training ground for aspiring Chaos champions.

Basically GW's fluff has never not been hosed eight ways from The Feast of Saint Kiodrus and attempting to unfuck it is boring and lame.

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A chainsword also makes an appearance as a mystic artifact in one of the Mark of Chaos lore books that were released years ago.
Still wish they would actually do more of those instead of just focusing on normal fiction. The closest you get now is Imperial Armour but they're expensive as hell though.

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Basically GW's fluff has never not been hosed eight ways from The Feast of Saint Kiodrus and attempting to unfuck it is boring and lame.

I am a huge nerd and have no idea what that event was apart from Kiodrus being one of Saint Sabbat's aides?

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A chainsword also makes an appearance as a mystic artifact in one of the Mark of Chaos lore books that were released years ago.
In the old Realm of Chaos books, Chaos champions could receive all sorts of stuff like chainswords, bolters, and plasma pistols. Those were awesome, awesome days.

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Speaking of the missing primarchs. I know there isn't much detail about them but it seems like in Heresy they seem to hint pretty strongly that one of them killed the other and Russ was forced to sanction the aggressor.

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I'm starting Luthor Huss on Friday when I finish the bar, so this is encouraging, thanks. I don't think I ever read Wrath of Iron - is it worth the read or hurts so badly it's a pass?

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I'm starting Luthor Huss on Friday when I finish the bar, so this is encouraging, thanks. I don't think I ever read Wrath of Iron - is it worth the read or hurts so badly it's a pass?

It's worth reading, and above average for Black Library simply because Wraight is a very capable writer. It's just a bit unfocused, and doesn't take advantage of a lot of the themes it introduces early on. In a way, it's refreshing to have a Battles book that doesn't try to show you how the featured chapter is "cool", but it's a really, really grim book.

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How is 40K a Dune rip off?

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How is 40K a Dune rip off?

The God-Emperor (sequel book), the Navigators, and the ban on AI.

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The God-Emperor (sequel book), the Navigators, and the ban on AI.

My understanding was that it used to be a lot more blatant in the Rogue Trader days but the lore sort of grew into its own after an edition or two. The basic concept is fairly derivative of Dune (Feudal far future with advanced technology being relatively scarce, powerful rogue trader houses vying for power and riches) and also of Warhammer Fantasy (basically all of the Rogue Trader-era aliens were counterparts to WHF races) but once the focus was taken off Rogue Traders the Imperium got developed into the unique and fascinating hellhole we've come to know and love.

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I don't get why the writers copied the AI ban. Why would AIs be incompatible with the Imperium of Man's themes?

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The fluff line is that AIs became self-aware and rebelled against humans during the Dark Age of Technology, and were eventually put down after considerable losses. The Emperor decreed that no true AIs could ever be built again, leading to the use of machine spirits and servitors.

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I know what the fluff says, but what purpose did the writers have in mind to establish that in the first place? Why did they decide that EDIs and HAL 9000s were unsuitable for their particular vision of the 41st millennium? It was just so that they could use servitors?

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They use AIs; advanced machine spirits are just that (more basic ones are expert systems, and lower is just general programming or not even a thing). However, they're not fashioned to think like humans, but instead be like sort of an animal sapience related to its task. You could say, for instance, that the AI that drives a Land Raider is like an attack dog in scope and personality. And that fulfills the edict: you may not fashion an artificial construct in the likeness of man.

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I know what the fluff says, but what purpose did the writers have in mind to establish that in the first place? Why did they decide that EDIs and HAL 9000s were unsuitable for their particular vision of the 41st millennium? It was just so that they could use servitors?

Because 40k, and the Imperium in particular, is extremely human-centric in a xenophobic fashion. Humans, humans only, against everything and everyone else. Having talking computers or an android is not much more different from being pals with that big warrior poet guy with the ridged forehead, which is completely opposed with what they were aiming for since 2nd ED.

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I think a lot of these more general fluff questions that aren't related to a particular story might be better answered over in the 40k thread in TG, and we should try to keep this thread focused on Black Library content. Otherwise it will just turn into a 40k A/T thread.

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How is 40K a Dune rip off?
Navigators alone man, navigators alone

Also the AI/Butlerian Jihad thing. They never *really* go into why AI is bad in 40k, but basically that's why.

The Chaos stuff is straight out of Fantasy, which stuck names on a few new gods but otherwise lifted most of the world from Elric.

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Also the AI/Butlerian Jihad thing. They never *really* go into why AI is bad in 40k, but basically that's why.

Yep. If anyone's interested, there's quite a bit of discussion on the AI issue in the Horus Heresy book sex with wwe divas Mechanicum, which is itself a very solid read.

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