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Nov 7, 2012

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On the subject of the Sabbat Crusade, can anyone outline the war in broad strokes?

The way I understand it from reading the Gaunt books is Sabbat liberated the Sabbat cluster/rediscovered it in or about the 34th Millennium , and at some point the whole or parts of it fell to Chaos? But was it only recently or has it been like that for ages? Sometimes I get the impression the Ghosts arrive on a planet that just fell a few weeks before and the Crusade is more of a counter offensive than anything else, while other times I get the feeling Chaos've held on to the planets for centuries and built up functioning economies and fortress worlds. Its confusing, but I guess the answer is 'it depends on what kind of story Abnett wants to tell in a particular book'.

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There's a short story in the new Inferno with that plot, and yes it's good.

I was referring to the new book by Nate Crawley. I have no idea what "the new Inferno" even is

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Jun 1, 2006

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It's not entirely clear if Tanith is in the Sabbat Worlds or not either. It's a function of story drift over time as Abnett went from "that guy who writes stories where the Guard don't all get executed or mindwiped at the end" to "that guy who drives the setting" with a lot of GW executive meddling. The short version is that the entire Sabbat Worlds unit was written off by the High Lords, but that pockets of Imperial loyalist control still existed, with varying levels of internal strife on those planets. Sometimes the Ghosts turn up to fight off The Big Push, sometimes they're liberating a long-held world. More recently they've been thrown into defensive actions against the counter attacks launched at the Crusade.

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I thought the Sabbat Worlds only came under open attack from Chaos in the past century or two centuries, and that the Imperium was somewhat quick to respond and fairly quickly broke the main enemy's back and are now playing whack-a-heretic with the remnants. I've only read the first GG omnibus, but most of the Ghosts deployments seemed to be less "This world had fallen to Chaos and we're attacking to take it back" and more "Oh poo poo, turns out this hivecity was corrupted by Chaos and are now attacking the other cities". I think the enemy city in Necropolis was described as going silent only a year or two prior to the book starting, but the first three novels deal less with the overall war and more on the small scale fights.

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The early books and the campaign book originally stated that in the past century chaos had started overrunning planets in the cluster until it became a threat the imperium could no longer ignore. Later books (everything after Blood Pact I believe) retconned it into a thousand year long infestation by Chaos because of Games Workshop's "bigga is betta" mandate.

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Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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RIP My Iron Lady


Also, how ridiculous is it that the next city over goes silent and you just don't send anyone over to check for a couple of years? Warhams ridiculous, that's how.

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Also, how ridiculous is it that the next city over goes silent and you just don't send anyone over to check for a couple of years? Warhams ridiculous, that's how.

Reminder that this is the same book where the leader of vervunhive's upper class exploded into a mutant the minute anyone asked him what the hell was going on.

The most surprising thing is that Ferrozoica was only able to deploy twenty million brainwashed soldiers to the siege. I thought hives would be bigger than that. They must have had one hell of a civil war to deplete themselves that much before marching on vervunhive.

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I was referring to the new book by Nate Crawley. I have no idea what "the new Inferno" even is

quote:

Today sees the long-anticipated launch of Inferno! Volume 1, the first in a new series of short story anthologies that combine tales from new and up-and-coming authors with stories by Black Library favourites.

This first volume has a lead story by David Annandale starring the Ultramarines – ‘The Unsung War’ – alongside the Black Library debuts of Steven B Fischer, Nate Crowley and Filip Weltgren, plus seven more tales by authors old and new.

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Also, how ridiculous is it that the next city over goes silent and you just don't send anyone over to check for a couple of years? Warhams ridiculous, that's how.

I'd say that's absolutely typical of humans and we need look no further than our own gay planet to find myriad examples of sovereign states doing exactly that.

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Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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I'd say that's absolutely typical of humans and we need look no further than our own gay planet to find myriad examples of sovereign states doing exactly that.
Really? I am aware of states going incommunicado officially, but there's always some degree of awareness that people are still there doing the things they do via spies and the like. In Necropolis it's sort of implied that Manchester goes quiet and London just doesn't bother to check.

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Aug 4, 2007

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Going by the Fluffbook the basic gist is following:
The sector known as the Sabbat Worlds got annexed by the Imperium waaaaaay back in M35. Liberated by the OG Saint Sabbat.

Anyway, things are relatively calm for a couple of centuries until Chaos comes knocking on the door around M38 and decides to settle in on the edge and the sector light switches from green to yellow.

Then early centuries of M41 rolls around where Chaos, led by an Archon, goes "Sup, all of this this poo poo is ours now" and begin invading in force.
Jump forward some hundred years or so until 741.M40 where the Imperium flicks over the Sector light from Yellow to Red and declares the place lost.

The exile sector governor is all "waah waah, I want my sector back now" and the High Lords is "Nope, not worth the expenses". This is where Slaydo rolls in. Slaydo is a man with an vision(tm) and that is to liberate the Sabbat Worlds. So he gets declared Warmaster after doing well in the Khulan Wars (which is where Gaunt also fought as a side note) and gets to work with that.
So the Crusade officially begins in 755.M41
What's interesting to note is that the reasons as to why Slaydo wanted to do this was that he had a strong fascination in Saint Sabbatine and not something the book elaborates much on.

Jumping forward another decade to 765 Balhaut happens. Which is the massive invasion of one of the major chaos strongholds in the sector. The most important thing in this case is that Slaydo dies and names Macaroth his successor as Warmaster.
It's around this point the Chaos forces are shattered and bits and pieces of them just high tail it out of the area. Which includes a remnant fleet that torched Tanith in later 765.M41.

Going forwards Macaroth is pretty much Napoleon with a number of daring and bold tactical moves that has Chaos reeling, especially after their top dog died during Balhaut.
Then Blood Pact shows up alongside Urlock Gaur that sends them reeling until Hagia (well and a couple of other places) where the Saint is reborn.

Admittedly this is where my memory gets hazy since I haven't read the actual books in a while now but the biggest thing is the civil war between Gaur's Blood Pact and Sek's Sons of Sek. (The latter being founded mostly because of jealousy as I recall.)
Pretty sure the campaign is up around 780.M41 by now since the fluff book ends at His last command which takes place 775.

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Goddammit. Now they are making e-shorts of Inferno stories? I thought the whole point of Inferno was to decrease the excessive amount of ebook shorts that were coming out.

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I am sure I have seen it somewhere on sites. It's a great book and it's a shame GW didn't make it more easily available.
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Goddammit. Now they are making e-shorts of Inferno stories? I thought the whole point of Inferno was to decrease the excessive amount of ebook shorts that were coming out.

It's also disappointing. The email I got from Black Library made it look like a full novel.

But eh, I've checked the price and at least it's only like 3 bucks, so it's not like they demand full price for it

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Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

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Pretty sure the campaign is up around 780.M41 by now since the fluff book ends at His last command which takes place 775.
It's a bit later due to warp fuckery. I think they're at 790-ish.M41 now.

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The time warp from Warmaster amounts to very little apart from being an excuse to declare Gaunt a war hero and get him an instant promotion from dog colonel to Lord General. The fact that the entire general staff of Macaroth's crusade have been sitting around on Urdesh for ten freaking years and the frontlines have barely changed is weird to say the least. That's the kind of attrition you'd expect to see on Aexe Cardinal during their century long World War 1 session, not the forefront of the entire crusade.

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Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady


It's vaguely implied that something counter-attackey and salient reducing is happening ~*~landing strip on pussy over there~*~ somewhere and that the Crusade's momentum has stalled because of it, but yeah, it seems like a weird thing to just come back to.

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Jul 18, 2005



they haven't been sitting on Urdesh for ten years, but that's where the Saint is when Gaunt returns, so that's where the Warmaster is, and that's why the general staff is there, because that's where Sek lured her. you fools. you imbeciles

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Really? I am aware of states going incommunicado officially, but there's always some degree of awareness that people are still there doing the things they do via spies and the like. In Necropolis it's sort of implied that Manchester goes quiet and London just doesn't bother to check.

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Did Bobby G start imperium secundus in unremembered empire, or before? I thought it was the former, but the cover from Vulkan Lives reads something like "as the war continues, all eyes turn towards Ultramar and Gilligan's new empire (...)" or some such.

Worked my way halfway through the horus heresy again, and I'm trying to go a more chronological route this time.

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Really? I am aware of states going incommunicado officially, but there's always some degree of awareness that people are still there doing the things they do via spies and the like. In Necropolis it's sort of implied that Manchester goes quiet and London just doesn't bother to check.

That's nothing; In real life current political England, Manchester could go quiet and the majority of London would be surprised to find it had naked white girls pics ever existed.

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Manchester versus the Russians.

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I'd always imagined the verghastites as having Northerner accents to contrast with the Welsh and Irish Tanith, but when it finally clicked around Salvations Reach that they were space Russians I had to give them all Boris and Olga accents.

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Jun 1, 2006

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That's nothing; In real life current political England, Manchester could go quiet and the majority of London would be surprised to find it had male actors nude scenes ever existed.
Given recent experiences in Guildford, it's 50/50 whether any given English person would know that Ireland is not part of the UK so... I picked a bad example.

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Given recent experiences in Guildford, it's 50/50 whether any given English person would know that Ireland is not part of the UK so... I picked a bad example.

Ireland is part of the UK.

The Republic of Ireland, or Eire, is not part of the UK. The other part of the island of Ireland is.


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That's nothing; In real life current political England, Manchester could go quiet and the majority of London would be surprised to find it had ashley tisdale nude fakes ever existed.


Large sections of London would notice. It would mean Arsenal or Chelsea would stand a chance of winning the Premier League (but not Spurs. They would Spurs it up too much).

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Ireland is part of the UK.

The Republic of Ireland, or Eire, is not part of the UK. The other part of the island of Ireland is.
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Large sections of London would notice. It would mean Arsenal or Chelsea would stand a chance of winning the Premier League (but not Spurs. They would Spurs it up too much).

I've always assumed they think our club (and that other lot in the swamp) are just from some fictional location, which is 'grim'.

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Polite fiction? You mean the Republic of Ireland Act 1948 didn't happen and clarify that in English it is the Republic of Ireland?

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