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Also the rumors that Sigmar was a lost primarch and that the whole Fantasy world was in the Eye of Terror as a training ground for aspiring Chaos champions.


I always thought that the Fantasy world was just on a undiscovered world in the 40k universe. And one day the black ships will appear in the sky and see all these humans chumming around with xenos and mutants and orks running around all over and just virus bomb the joint and be done with it.

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I think it was the same Abnett book where they mention a case where two scouts found an ancient STC print-out for a better way to make a combat knife. In the end, they were rewarded with a planet each for their discovery.

I remember this, it was some 'mono-filament' knife that became standard issue to all IG. Apparently 1 planet each was considered a huge bargain for the design.

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It still gets to me that Horus didn't try to trick that one planet into giving him the only fully functional STC in the galaxy. And instead went balls out invasion and had it blown up in Angrons face.

From what it says, the planet with STC tech had its front line troops in Space Marine equivalent gear.

Yeah, common sense doesn't matter when it comes to technology. Specifically, the tech priests. For starters

- Forge worlds don't share templates, so if the only world with a plasma pistol template gets eaten by a hive fleet, no more will ever get made
- They always wake up any Necron tech they find
- They plot how to sway Tau machine spirits to their side via bribing
- Replace as much flesh with metal as possible
- Advise wholesale destruction on any human planet with non Adeptus Mechanicus infrastructure

I recall one planet during the Macharian Crusade that by itself held off the Crusade fleet for 2 years until they got fed up and directed a massive comet to hit the planet.

Think of it like a monopoly. The AM don't care about advancing only improving technology, or worshiping it and keeping anyone else from cutting it.

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Yeah, the height of mankind's power is roughly the year 20,000, at which point psykers appeared and everything got all hosed up. Anyway, can we please keep fluff discussion related to specific BL books? I don't think this is really the thread for people's inane theories on which Manhattan Project scientist was secretly the Emperor.

I really enjoy the fluff discussions here, and because you said we should check out the TG thread I did. I waded through the first 10 pages and didn't any real discussion that didn't concern point armies and the actual table top game itself. I have never played warhammer (though I'm interested), but I'm a huge fan of the universe, books and fluff. I really hope you allow fluff discussions to blossom here since the TG thread seems lacking.


(Alexander the Great was the God-Emperor)

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Has anyone given The Last Chancers by Gav Thorpe a leaf-thru? I've only just learned of their existence, and I'm wondering if they're worth tracking down.

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Has anyone given The Last Chancers by Gav Thorpe a leaf-thru? I've only just learned of their existence, and I'm wondering if they're worth tracking down.

People seem to like them, but on the other hand, Gav Thorpe is a lovely writer. So uh...your mileage may vary. (I haven't read them)

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I remember this, it was some 'mono-filament' knife that became standard issue to all IG. Apparently 1 planet each was considered a huge bargain for the design.


From what it says, the planet with STC tech had its front line troops in Space Marine equivalent gear.

Yeah, common sense doesn't matter when it comes to technology. Specifically, the tech priests. For starters

- Forge worlds don't share templates, so if the only world with a plasma pistol template gets eaten by a hive fleet, no more will ever get made
- They always wake up any Necron tech they find
- They plot how to sway Tau machine spirits to their side via bribing
- Replace as much flesh with metal as possible
- Advise wholesale destruction on any human planet with non Adeptus Mechanicus infrastructure

I recall one planet during the Macharian Crusade that by itself held off the Crusade fleet for 2 years until they got fed up and directed a massive comet to hit the planet.

Think of it like a monopoly. The AM don't care about advancing only improving technology, or worshiping it and keeping anyone else from cutting it.

The Tech Priest Necron thing I find funny. In the Cain book where he stumbles upon a Necron Hive frozen in the ice you get the impression he is face palming so hard his hand bursts out the back of his head over how horny the Tech Priests are to find it. Mean while he is just thinking of a way to piss himself in a way that would make him seem like a hero when he runs screaming from the planet with his pants on fire.

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Has anyone given The Last Chancers by Gav Thorpe a leaf-thru? I've only just learned of their existence, and I'm wondering if they're worth tracking down.

If I remember correctly (and it has been a long, long time since I read them, mind you), they really pissed me off because Gav Thorpe would constantly shift from first- to third-person. I could certainly be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure this is why I couldn't even start the third book of the series.

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Seriously? Was this in a codex or White Dwarf or what?

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Has anyone given The Last Chancers by Gav Thorpe a leaf-thru? I've only just learned of their existence, and I'm wondering if they're worth tracking down.

It is actually pretty neat. I believe one of the guys in the penal (lol) legion was there for overdue library books.

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If I remember correctly (and it has been a long, long time since I read them, mind you), they really pissed me off because Gav Thorpe would constantly shift from first- to third-person. I could certainly me misremembering, but I'm pretty sure this is why I couldn't even start the third book of the series.

Whenever Gav Thorpe comes up in discussion with my friends I start switching first- to third-person, and changing tense. That first Last Chancers book was ghost-written by a child in a remedial class.

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He was kidding. Unless that one planet they came across early in the HH series that believed IT was really Earth actually was.

I thought so, but I never completely discount WH40K fluff on the basis of crazy, especially considering the Rogue Trader era.

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I noticed the opening blurb in the 40K books states that the Emperor rules over humanity "by the will of the gods". Is this a Rogue Trader leftover? Because the Emperor is supposed to be the one and only god, who will himself onto the throne.

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I noticed the opening blurb in the 40K books states that the Emperor rules over humanity "by the will of the gods". Is this a Rogue Trader leftover? Because the Emperor is supposed to be the one and only god, who will himself onto the throne.

It's just an idiom. The opening blurb wasn't written by an Ecclesiarch or anything.

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Yeah, I figured as much, but it seems strange because there really are no other benevolent gods for humanity to worship.

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Mar 14, 2001

There is no route out of the maze. The maze shifts as you move through it, because it is alive.


I just want to tell you guys that I've been interested in getting into the BL for sometime, since the 40K mythology always sounded like such a balls-out universe that it couldn't help but have cool stories to tell. (I have zero interest in the table-top game and other non-BL applications.) So finally, on the advice of this thread, I have delved into free sex pics series Eisenhorn and I'm not regretting it one bit.

Count me as another vote to keep the fluff discussion in here, since the tabletoppers seem a little too...motivated. I'd feel like a poser in there.

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Is Omnissiah still the Void Dragon after that asinine Necron fluff redesign?

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I love it. Like, I don't even understand 75% of what you guys are saying but I'm totally on board.

So...do I just keep reading Abnett? He seems like the best prose stylist among the BL authors, from just a quick assessment. After Eisenhorn, do I go to Gaunt's Ghosts or Horus Heresy, or what?!?

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I love it. Like, I don't even understand 75% of what you guys are saying but I'm totally on board.

So...do I just keep reading Abnett? He seems like the best prose stylist among the BL authors, from just a quick assessment. After Eisenhorn, do I go to Gaunt's Ghosts or Horus Heresy, or what?!?

After Eisenhorn read Ravenor, and after that the list is vast, so might as well go for the books recommended in the OP based upon what picks your interest. Do note that HH is best reserved to when you have a good grasp on the WH40k universe, as most of the impact in those novels is seeing the truth and deeds of characters of myth, and the contrast of the world as it was before it all went to poo poo.

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I love it. Like, I don't even understand 75% of what you guys are saying but I'm totally on board.

So...do I just keep reading Abnett? He seems like the best prose stylist among the BL authors, from just a quick assessment. After Eisenhorn, do I go to Gaunt's Ghosts or Horus Heresy, or what?!?

Horus Heresy should wait for a while. It helps to have a lot of knowledge of the fluff so you can understand who a lot of these people are.

You can't go wrong with Ciphas Cain to be honest. If you want a really well written story go for 15 hours. It is really short but it is strikingly good for Warhammer.

If you dig the whole rosette crew Ravenor is awesome. And if bolter porn is your thing I really liked the Ultramarines books, but you will see people on here disagree with me.

I am reading the Shira Calpurnia books right now and I am really digging the space Judge Dredd-ish story going on it. And I think she is one of the most positive female leads in a Warhammer book that I have seen thus far.

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I am reading the Shira Calpurnia books right now and I am really digging the space Judge Dredd-ish story going on it. And I think she is one of the most positive female leads in a Warhammer book that I have seen thus far.

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You can't go wrong with Ciphas Cain to be honest. If you want a really well written story go for 15 hours. It is really short but it is strikingly good for Warhammer.
So Warhammer books generally suck?

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So Warhammer books generally suck?

Well, yeah. The Black Library (wh40k section) is what, 300 books? And only about 20 of those are legit good, with about 50 more being decent.

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There's other Warhammer books with female leads?

On the Fantasy side I can the top of my head come up with the Genevieve Undead series of three books with an omnibus released as well as Ulrika the Vampire series of two books.
And then looking at the BL website there is Valkia the Bloody as well.

Funny how most female leads in Fantasy are all vampires as there's also free blonde porno movies coming out next year.

On the 40k side the only one I can directly think of is the Sisters of Battles books by James Swallow aside from the Enforcer series.
Although looking at the BL site suddenly remembered that Double Eagle features a female lead so there is that one too.
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I am reading the Shira Calpurnia books right now and I am really digging the space Judge Dredd-ish story going on it. And I think she is one of the most positive female leads in a Warhammer book that I have seen thus far.

I can second this recommendation. Even if the second book spends far too much time around secondary characters to my liking but otherwise it's not bad.
The second book is a great way to learn how to hate Rogue Traders though. Just saying.

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I love it. Like, I don't even understand 75% of what you guys are saying but I'm totally on board.

So...do I just keep reading Abnett? He seems like the best prose stylist among the BL authors, from just a quick assessment. After Eisenhorn, do I go to Gaunt's Ghosts or Horus Heresy, or what?!?

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Mar 14, 2001

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Thanks for all the suggestions, and yes I will commit the OP to memory. That wiki is also going to suck up whole chunks of time, I'm sure.

Ravenor is next and I can't wait. It's been a long time since I had a bunch of "easy" fiction on my reading pile, so it feels good to just plow through a huge omnibus and have a blast the whole time, knowing there are thousands more pages where that came from.

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On the 40k side the only one I can directly think of is the Sisters of Battles books by James Swallow aside from the Enforcer series.
Although looking at the BL site suddenly remembered that Double Eagle features a female lead so there is that one too.
Pariah is also going to have a female lead as well based on its description.

Are the Sisters of Battle books any good? I like the lore I've been exposed to so far and wouldn't mind some more in-depth stuff.

Also as far as Pariah goes is there any given reason why Ravenor and Eisenhorn would be at odds? I'd imagine it would have to do with Ravenor coming away from his trilogy still an inquisitor and Eisenhorn being radical now. But in the short story where they meet they teen pink videos angel didn't really seem to be at each other's throat.

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