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I don't find it anachronistic. They deliberately juxtapose it with the high-tech poo poo in the FBI field office. Later in the season, Jimmy asks the FBI for just a couple of light-weight recording mics and Fitzhugh says "that's it?", to which Jimmy replies "we're just happy to be in the 20th century."

And the beepers thing are so they can't be tapped. Later in the season: Poot's cell phone is destroyed; Avon orders to have landlines in his girl's house deactivated; Lester remarks about the beepers being a "discipline".

anal porn movies online Also, think about Season 4, when Prez finds all the computers and new textbooks in storage, while they use outdated stuff. I think it's actually intentional.

We're definitely in the 21st century during the entirety of the show. The Sept. 11th attacks are mentioned in the first episode.

If I remember right, in a scene nicely paralleled in season 4 as you mention in the bolded above, it turns out that the stuff that McNulty asks for from Fitzhugh is actually already in the department's inventory. They received it months (if not years) earlier and just stuck it in a room somewhere and forgot all about it.

Edit: Oh man the "McNugget" scene in episode 2.

"He still had the idea though!" - poor, sweet, innocent (drug-dealing) Wallace

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If I remember right, in a scene nicely paralleled in season 4 as you mention in the bolded above, it turns out that the stuff that McNulty asks for from Fitzhugh is actually already in the department's inventory. They received it months (if not years) earlier and just stuck it in a room somewhere and forgot all about it.

Edit: Oh man the "McNugget" scene in episode 2.

"He still had the idea though!" - poor, sweet, innocent (drug-dealing) Wallace
Wallace was born into it. Remember when we meet his mother? An alcoholic who viciously declares "I'll slap the bright out [of] his eyes."

Also, good call about McNulty. He finds the triggerfish machine in Season 3, all tucked away, unused, in an equipment room. The guard of that room has no idea what he is talking about-- implying that the average cop doesn't know poo poo about these things.

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Finished up episode 2 - I forgot all about the scene of a drunken McNulty shouting impotently at the would-be car thieves down the hill and across the road to stop before tumbling down the hill and his badge ending up in the mud. He laughs at the absurdity of it all, and I like that the thieves are scared away not by a member of the police force (whom they seem completely unaware of) but an automated, unaware, unthinking piece of machinery.

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Finished up episode 2 - I forgot all about the scene of a drunken McNulty shouting impotently at the would-be car thieves down the hill and across the road to stop before tumbling down the hill and his badge ending up in the mud. He laughs at the absurdity of it all. . .

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Great time for a new thread on The Wire. I am actually taking a class right now all about season four. We've actually read a lot of academic articles specifically about The Wire. I was surprised how much attention it got. If people want, I can post some links to these articles. Some of them are available for free online, but others are only available through JSTOR or Academic Search Complete. But if you have access to university databases, you can get them there.

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Great time for a new thread on The Wire. I am actually taking a class right now all about season four. We've actually read a lot of academic articles specifically about The Wire. I was surprised how much attention it got. If people want, I can post some links to these articles. Some of them are available for free online, but others are only available through JSTOR or Academic Search Complete. But if you have access to university databases, you can get them there.

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If I remember right, in a scene nicely paralleled in season 4 as you mention in the bolded above, it turns out that the stuff that McNulty asks for from Fitzhugh is actually already in the department's inventory. They received it months (if not years) earlier and just stuck it in a room somewhere and forgot all about it.

I worked in university tech support in undergrad back in the 90s and one day I was clearing out inventory for surplus and there were 10 new in box laptops maybe two years old collecting dust that had never been cataloged and tagged. And that was one department, and think how much laptops cost back then. poo poo happens in organizations more often than anyone would care to admit, especially back when record keeping was done on paper.


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I like that, while McNulty and D are both skilled at what they do, D's problem is that he isn't "built for the game" and isn't personally invested enough, whereas McNulty's problem is that he's TO invested, and they're both punished for it.

They really hammer the parallel between Stringer and McNulty later on as two guys dying (figuratively in McNulty's case) for loving with the system too much.

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And considering that I normally find Idris Elba's American accent a little forced, I still can't get over how flawless it seems (to me at least) in The Wire. First time I saw the series I didn't realize he was British, but even after everything else I've seen him in I still think his accent in The Wire is excellent.

I never really notice when accents go bad or are forced. Maybe it's because I've lived all over the US from the south, to San Francisco, Boston and Pittsburgh and have become used to all sorts of weird and natural accents with some that make me want to stab myself in the ears instead of listening to their voice.

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The part where Mcnulty is describing his kids after losing them following Stringer he goes full on English.

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The part where Mcnulty is describing his kids after losing them following Stringer he goes full on English.

There's also a part (not sure which season) he sings while drunk, and his English accent is painfully obvious. It might be when he's assembling the bunk beds for Sean and Matt.

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They really hammer the parallel between Stringer and McNulty later on as two guys dying (figuratively in McNulty's case) for loving with the system too much.

Stringer and McNutty? I think you are thinking about season 3 and major Colvin.

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Stringer and McNutty? I think you are thinking about season 3 and major Colvin.

Yeah Bunny too. Really everyone has to come to terms with the man in some way or another. Though Colvin eventually wins with Namond.

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Yeah if i ever call him McNulty it's only because i forgot his new name, given to him by the wise man of the streets, which is forever McNutty.

watt par i guess you mean what happens to them over the whole series vs a single season parallel? I can see that.

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watt par i guess you mean what happens to them over the whole series vs a single season parallel? I can see that.

Yeah. It was spelled out over and over that they were both the smartest guys in their respective rooms and their downfall was looking for a way around the established rules of their institutions. Colvin obviously fits into that as well in both seasons 3 and 4.

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Anyway, since you are my partner in crime, how did the OP and the discussion turn out-- so far?

Don't say that, your avatar will cap my rear end and you'll end up doing the two days.

It's beautiful. I love it.

ETA: Especially not having to dance the spoiler dance. Any other show I'd agree with the whole 'It's been off the air forever' school of thought on spoilers, but The Wire should be unspoiled for all future generations. So it's awesome to have a thread purely for those who've finished the journey.

ETA YET AGAIN: And since we're approaching ep 2 and the whole McNulty tumbling down the hill scene, let's think on the symbolism involved in the song he's listening to. The whole 'scared away from the machine and not the cop' is a good catch on that scene.

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While we're on McNulty being drunk, there's a scene I never really got. I think it was in season 2, where McNulty drives drunk and crashes his car. He then gets out of the car, works out how the crash went, gets back in and recreates it. Is there anything more to that scene other than McNulty being self destructive as gently caress?

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While we're on McNulty being drunk, there's a scene I never really got. I think it was in season 2, where McNulty drives drunk and crashes his car. He then gets out of the car, works out how the crash went, gets back in and recreates it. Is there anything more to that scene other than McNulty being self destructive as gently caress?

It's been awhile, but I've always thought that he tried to make the corner without crashing again. Sort of solving the corner so to speak. Of course he crashes again, says 'gently caress it' and goes to a diner and bangs the waitress.

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While we're on McNulty being drunk, there's a scene I never really got. I think it was in season 2, where McNulty drives drunk and crashes his car. He then gets out of the car, works out how the crash went, gets back in and recreates it. Is there anything more to that scene other than McNulty being self destructive as gently caress?

Pretty sure he's trying to convince himself that he should have been able to make that turn. And then trying it again because it obviously can't be his fault.

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^^My guess at the time was that he figured the car was totaled and crashing it a few more times couldn't hurt, so why not? McNutty gives zero fucks.^^

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You can hear a train whistle in the background just before he falls.

It's really interesting seeing how trains keep on turning up (well, twice so far) during McNulty's more self destructive moments. He's already struggling with The Wire's terrible bureaucratic systems on a very personal level, with his fight over visitation rights as well as the Avon Barksdale fiasco. His inner demons are literally "the system", personified by an unstoppable locomotive, and he's placed himself on the tracks.

That's enough armchair analysis for now. I've only watched The Wire once about four years ago, so I'll lurk until my memory is refreshed. This is a fun thread and the detailed episode review is a good idea.

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While we're on McNulty being drunk, there's a scene I never really got. I think it was in season 2, where McNulty drives drunk and crashes his car. He then gets out of the car, works out how the crash went, gets back in and recreates it. Is there anything more to that scene other than McNulty being self destructive as gently caress?

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^^My guess at the time was that he figured the car was totaled and crashing it a few more times couldn't hurt, so why not? McNutty gives zero fucks.^^


It's really interesting seeing how trains keep on turning up (well, twice so far) during McNulty's more self destructive moments. He's already struggling with The Wire's terrible bureaucratic systems on a very personal level, with his fight over visitation rights as well as the Avon Barksdale fiasco. His inner demons are literally "the system", personified by an unstoppable locomotive, and he's placed himself on the tracks.

That's enough armchair analysis for now. I've only watched The Wire once about four years ago, so I'll lurk until my memory is refreshed. This is a fun thread and the detailed episode review is a good idea.

Which is great, because in season one, he is literally pissing in the face of the system, and then decides at the last second that he's actually going to work within it. A great metaphor about how almost hosed he was at that moment.

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Does anyone in The Wire actually pronounce it "Ballmer" ?

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His inner demons are literally "the system", personified by an unstoppable locomotive, and he's placed himself on the tracks.


See, but that's what Simon said is an incorrect analysis. I know it seems so obvious, but apparently Simon says it's much deeper than that.

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They should all be natives, damnit.

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True. Herc gets a pass for axing questions of people.

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There's one point during Season 1 where I swear he says "technus" instead of "tetanus"

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True. Herc gets a pass for axing questions of people.

Someone put it funnily in the other thread: maybe the most unrealistic plot ever shown on the show was Herc, a NY native, moving to Baltimore and apparently becoming an Orioles fan.

It's too bad there couldn't be more natives on the show, the real Jay and the school AP were both wonderful to listen to.

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See, but that's what Simon said is an incorrect analysis. I know it seems so obvious, but apparently Simon says it's much deeper than that.

That would have been my own first guess, because it's so obvious. I guess an alternative interpretation would be, uh, I don't know... but if we're just bullshitting...

Maybe the tracks are the police department, as in cop society, pursuit of career advancement, looking out for one another instead of doing the job. The train is McNulty's own inability to cope with being there, his insubordination, pride, alcoholism, tendency to gently caress himself up over dumb poo poo. What he really needs to do is get off the tracks--like when he was on the boat after season 1, or when he was walking a beat in the Western after season 3, and he was content and personally stable. But he can't help jumping on the tracks just so he can piss all over them: jumping into the heart of the department to gently caress the bosses and show everybody how smart he is. And when he's doing that, the train (his own hosed-up personality) is always barreling down at him.

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Does anyone in The Wire actually pronounce it "Ballmer" ?

It happens all the time in Homicide.

My stepmother grew up in Baltimore, and she and my Dad live there now. They say "Ballmer" all the drat time.

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That would have been my own first guess, because it's so obvious. I guess an alternative interpretation would be, uh, I don't know... but if we're just bullshitting...

Maybe the tracks are the police department, as in cop society, pursuit of career advancement, looking out for one another instead of doing the job. The train is McNulty's own inability to cope with being there, his insubordination, pride, alcoholism, tendency to gently caress himself up over dumb poo poo. What he really needs to do is get off the tracks--like when he was on the boat after season 1, or when he was walking a beat in the Western after season 3, and he was content and personally stable. But he can't help jumping on the tracks just so he can piss all over them: jumping into the heart of the department to gently caress the bosses and show everybody how smart he is. And when he's doing that, the train (his own hosed-up personality) is always barreling down at him.

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Rewatching the first two episodes is making me realize it's really hard to see any of these actors in other roles without thinking of the wire.

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See, but that's what Simon said is an incorrect analysis. I know it seems so obvious, but apparently Simon says it's much deeper than that.

Huh.

An oncoming locomotive seems like a simple metaphor. They don't deviate, and anything that gets in their way is destroyed. Maybe there's some other quality that Simon had in mind?

The only other thing I can come up with is that trains represent the inevitability of progress. I got the impression that McNulty was one of the old guard, and while at first he's presented as being in his element, he gradually gets sidelined as the show goes on, and the drug game changes. This culminates in the last season with McNulty's crazy fake serial killer scheme. Baltimore does change quite a bit throughout the series, and while some of it changes for the better, a lot of people are crushed under the feetlocomotive wheels of said progress.

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Another characteristic of trains besides running one direction and being tough to stop is multiple cars, most of which aren't able to push on without some force pulling them along. Compare McNulty being the driving force (towards destruction, that interpretation is sound to me regardless of what Simon's said) with a number of somewhat hesitant accomplices not necessarily just along for the ride, but definitely part of McNulty's train and not their own.

This works best, or at least most literally, for the 5th season with his phony serial killer but McNulty is adept throughout the series at pulling other 'cars' behind him in his path of terror.

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I just wanted to chime in and say the initial OP and 1st episode summary is phenomenal - I'm glad I noticed this thread early!
It's been nearly 4 years since watching this series from start to finish, and this is a great excuse to watch it again.

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