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Sep 28, 2006

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Newly elected S.W. I want to start my hat shopping early for next year, anyone have a good milliner they recommend ? As J.W. this year I presided over six EA degrees in a borrowed lid, and want to step up my game.

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Oh aye, another wee difference between the US and Scotland - we don't have hats for the Master or Wardens. Personally, I like the little flair of style it adds, but no way it would gain traction over here.

(By the way, if anyone is tired of me pointing out differences between our various jurisdictions, feel free to say. I'll shut up accordingly!)

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(By the way, if anyone is tired of me pointing out differences between our various jurisdictions, feel free to say. I'll shut up accordingly!)

How dare you share these interesting little facts. I'll have you brought before the Supreme council of magi masons for this!

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Oh aye, another wee difference between the US and Scotland - we don't have hats for the Master or Wardens. Personally, I like the little flair of style it adds, but no way it would gain traction over here.

(By the way, if anyone is tired of me pointing out differences between our various jurisdictions, feel free to say. I'll shut up accordingly!)

Keep going Innerguard, I'm in Sydney and my mother lodge was started by Scots, we don't use the Scotland ritual, but I also spend a lot of time in Dunblane Australis, a lodge here in Sydney that follows the proper rituals. They have whisky tasting nights after every meeting which is why I turn up.

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Just for a laugh do any of you ever learn stone masonry?
I recall in the last thread there was a story about an old lady who called a local lodge to ask about getting her stoop repaired, as they were, after all, free masons. They explained they weren't that kind of Mason.

Then they went and did it anyway.

I should go back to Holland Lodge again now that I have semi-steady work, but I'm not sure if I'm staying in town terribly much longer. If mrbill's still around over there, how's Gray doing?

e: to clarify since bill is in fact POSTING IN THIS THREAD

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I for one hate laying concrete/brick, having had my fill in my youth, but there's an operative stone mason who is interested in our Lodge who may be turning in his application next month. A few lifted eyebrows at the table when he talked about his job.

If anyone wants to swing by the California North Bay, I'm the WM of Petaluma-Hamilton Lodge #180 this year and next. I love that new thread fresh scent, don't you?

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I've heard it as "Are you satisfied that all present are Brother Masons? If not, proceed to satisfy yourself." and have to surpress a giggle.

(we try to open in EA as much as possible, except for things like DDGM visits and such)

Edit: might want to add something to the OP, about how no proper Mason will ask you to join - you have to make that decision to start the petition/application process yourself.

And here's the point when we get to whisper sweet nothings to the deacons or stewards... Bonus points if you can get them to crack.

Also, es selamu aleikum to any other nobles tuning in.

Furthermore (only one here), Arkansas, lol.

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I didn't get this post in fast enough to make it onto the first page, but I sent my copy of Freemasons for Dummies off to Wizard of Smart today. Not sure the best way to get it moving around, but I guess the easiest would be for him to post when he's finished reading it for the next interested person to ask.

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Newly elected S.W. I want to start my hat shopping early for next year, anyone have a good milliner they recommend ? As J.W. this year I presided over six EA degrees in a borrowed lid, and want to step up my game.

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Good thing I'm not in a hat-wearing position just yet.

Same hat, but Beaver Brand. Both myself and the previous WM wear the same hat. Except I had to take it off in Lodge. And find a shop that will reshape the hat for life.

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I didn't get this post in fast enough to make it onto the first page, but I sent my copy of Freemasons for Dummies off to Wizard of Smart today. Not sure the best way to get it moving around, but I guess the easiest would be for him to post when he's finished reading it for the next interested person to ask.

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Oh aye, another wee difference between the US and Scotland - we don't have hats for the Master or Wardens. Personally, I like the little flair of style it adds, but no way it would gain traction over here.

(By the way, if anyone is tired of me pointing out differences between our various jurisdictions, feel free to say. I'll shut up accordingly!)

Do the Wardens wear a hat in some jurisdictions? I was under the impression it was only the WM who wore a hat in lodge (and I suppose other brothers whose faith requires it).

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And here's the point when we get to whisper sweet nothings to the deacons or stewards... Bonus points if you can get them to crack.

One of our Lodge's classic stories involves someone flubbing "tongue of good report" and saying "report of good tongue" instead...

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Ah, I love when people get flustered during the degrees, especially scared candidates.

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Sorry for the disjointed post, for some strange reason the browser wont let me quote here in the office.

As for midwest lodges being more on the conservative side. I would have agreed completely up until a GM class i attended a few weeks ago. We were an hour before start time having some coffee in the basement of the Elmhurst lodge around 100 dudes in suits or other business attire. All of a sudden 30 brothers from The Men in Brotherhood lodge (get paid for porn) roll in the parking lot on their Harleys and full biker leathers. Traditional Kuttes with Masonic and Shrine symbols in place of MC patches. Their current seats and positions stitched under their nicknames.

Was taken back at first but man they were some chill laid back guys. They are dark for December but they are first on my list of lodges to visit now that I have been raised and can visit at will.

The other topic I wanted to touch on was speed of going through the Blue degrees.

I know after I was an EA, the first 5 or 6 meetings I attempted to attend I couldn't because they had to open in the 3rd. I quickly lost interest and fell off the map for a year or so with them.

Now I am very glad they reached back out to me and got me re-engaged. Although we don't do spaghetti dinners. Italian beef is our staple it seems.

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Ah, I love when people get flustered during the degrees, especially scared candidates.

"In whom do you put your trust?"
"IN MY LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST"
"*ahem*... uh... in... whom?"

Or of course the classic response (to the question we are all aware of)

"A DRINK!"

A small tidbit of information before I head off for this evenings work (lodge of instruction, 1st degree, OBs are taking position that they'll be in for the year ahead) :

There is a lodge in Scotland which opens and closes entirely in Scots Gaelic. To show an example of the kind of language I'm referring to, a common sentence from the opening of the lodge would be loosely translated as "Cruthaigh go bhfuil an thaisceadh cosanta gar."

Sadly, the above is Irish Gaelic, as I couldn't locate a decent translation medium for Scots Gaelic, but you get the point. (Prove that the lodge is close tyled is the sentence.)

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And here's the point when we get to whisper sweet nothings to the deacons or stewards... Bonus points if you can get them to crack.

Aye, its a wee bit of fun - but there is an old story from my mother lodge, that a visiting brother was loudly declared as an imposter when he failed to answer a particular question correctly. Another time, more jokingly, my father was declared an imposter (he's english, and has a rather thick birmingham accent) as the deacon questioning him 'couldnt understand' what he was saying. He was of course, taking the piss.

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One of our Lodge's classic stories involves someone flubbing "tongue of good report" and saying "report of good tongue" instead...

We had a "Have you examined yourself and found yourself to be totally french maid sex video naked?" (Naked of course not being the right word)

Poor candidate was freaking out there for a second.

We also had one guy who was about to do his FC degree ask if it was similar to the EA where "we threw a little water in his face."

Took us a bit of back and forth to figure out he'd stopped where the roof was leaking that day and gotten dripped on. Whoops.

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If a man wishes to become a Freemason, he must:
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2. Be born free (i.e., not a slave).
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These requirements are immutable, regarded as "ancient landmarks" which no mason nor assembly of masons is able to change.

What's the moral argument for this?

There are still slaves, and it just seems monstrous that someone would say, "You fought your way to freedom, believe in god, and did whatever else, but you were born in a brothel in some horrible part of the world, so you can't join the club."

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What's the moral argument for this?

There are still slaves, and it just seems monstrous that someone would say, "You fought your way to freedom, believe in god, and did whatever else, but you were born in a brothel in some horrible part of the world, so you can't join the club."

Historical, based on the requirement to join "by your own free will and accord." Can't be changed. I am not sure if anyone has tested this, one could make an Enlightenment era argument that slavery is impossible and therefore all people are born free. It'd need tested I suppose.

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Historical, based on the requirement to join "by your own free will and accord." Can't be changed. I am not sure if anyone has tested this, one could make an Enlightenment era argument that slavery is impossible and therefore all people are born free. It'd need tested I suppose.

Also one comment I heard on the matter was that a slave could have been forced by their 'owner' to divulge what they'd seen, heard, etc.

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Also one comment I heard on the matter was that a slave could have been forced by their 'owner' to divulge what they'd seen, heard, etc.

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Loving the new thread and that new-thread smell, guys.

A bit of ego-boo here: I was elevated yesterday to the office of Junior Steward. I was raised at the end of October, and told folks that I was seriously gung-ho and wanted to start moving to the chairs -- and they took me at my word. I welcome any words of advice from brethren who've gone through as well. I'm really looking forward to doing my part in bringing new folks in. (For those who don't know, the stewards do some of the grunt work for degree work, and we are also the unofficial entertainment and refreshment committee.)

Went up to the Grand Lodge today in Indianapolis. What a cool building -- and I *love* the museum. There are some fascinating things there. I'll write about a couple of 'em tomorrow. For now, I'm on a caffeine downtime and barely keeping awakzzzzzzzzz

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Hey, so I'm one of the jerks that showed up in the last thread flailing about the whole situation with women joining up and--

Well, me and the Spouse read the spoilers, basically.

I won't go into any details for obvious reasons. I'll just say that, even as someone who doesn't flip out easily, I can completely, totally understand now why incorporating women is implausible, and how the authentic experience would be completely turned on its ear if it was altered.

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Hey, so I'm one of the jerks that showed up in the last thread flailing about the whole situation with women joining up and--

Well, me and the Spouse read the spoilers, basically.

I won't go into any details for obvious reasons. I'll just say that, even as someone who doesn't flip out easily, I can completely, totally understand now why incorporating women is implausible, and how the authentic experience would be completely turned on its ear if it was altered.

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I appreciate the sentiment. I've always felt we've had a reasonable stance but because of the obligations and such we can't really delineate it since the reasons are based on the ritual and the oath. This person found those things and understands, which confirms my suspicion. But I'm not about to endorse people do that, so there is that.

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Do the Wardens wear a hat in some jurisdictions? I was under the impression it was only the WM who wore a hat in lodge (and I suppose other brothers whose faith requires it).

In Danish Swedish Rite lodges all Master Masons wear top hats. And tailcoats, obviously. Sadly, we seem to be the only jurisdiction where people still dress properly. Even the rest of Scandinavia has mostly switched to dark suits by now.

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My usual postman usually does, and will at least come to the door and ask if the parcel is supposed to be here - but then he knows me and knows who gets mail here. I guess I got used to that and forgot that it's not like that in most places The book is great so far!

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