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I really was into the first book, especially the beginning. The whole "world" always felt a bit thin, but I hugely enjoyed the narrative structure of essentially five short stories. The first short story with the people of the cruciform being my favorite.

Everything relating to the cybercore feels totally fake and stupid to me. The whole Keats thing is feeling like the author's favorite poet shoe-horned into the story. It was somewhat bearable in the first book but now he's pushing it further in the second along with more cybercore stuff.

Everything happening now with the shrike, tree, and the timetombs is starting to strain plausibility and I'm doubting the author's capacity to come up with anything satisfying to bring the plot back to something that isn't just weird for the sake of weirdness.

Am I off base or should I just stop while I'm ahead?

keep reading. The ending is the whole point of the saga.

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This is awesome news. I'd definitely kickstart it. I hope it's successful enough that he decides to continue the Twenty Palaces series the same way.

He already said it's not going to happen until/unless he hits big with some other book and gets a bigger audience. The numbers just don't work for him. Each book in that series sold way less copies than the previous one and he needs to try and write something that can actually sustain his career instead of trying to squeeze water from a shrinking stone.

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Hey guys I've been on a two year long sci-fi binge and I'm running out of ideas for what to read next, was hoping you had some suggestions for me.

I would really like something with cyberpunk elements but also with strong prose and that has been written recently enough to extrapolate contemporary technology in to the future. I'm cool with anything from contemporary to the distant future as far as setting goes. Needs to be available in audiobook.

I think what I am looking for is something covering similar subject matter to Altered Carbon if that makes sense. I really like stuff with biotech implants, computer viruses, hacking, designer drugs, virtual reality, etc.

As far as the writing style, I really liked Dune, Hyperion and Neuromancer.

I am also really in to Neil Stephenson for his immense research and detail and whatever I read next I would like for it to be long as I primarily listen to Audiobooks at work and I want something that will last a few days at least.

I like Vernor Vinge but I found Rainbows End to be a little too... silly? Liked the tech but looking for something darker. Gibson is great but I thought Pattern Recognition was a little dull and low on technology futurism stuff. I intend to read Broken Angels (Kovachs 2) but I'd like to try a different author first since I just finished Altered Carbon.

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Hey guys I've been on a two year long sci-fi binge and I'm running out of ideas for what to read next, was hoping you had some suggestions for me.

I would really like something with cyberpunk elements but also with strong prose and that has been written recently enough to extrapolate contemporary technology in to the future. I'm cool with anything from contemporary to the distant future as far as setting goes. Needs to be available in audiobook.

I think what I am looking for is something covering similar subject matter to Altered Carbon if that makes sense. I really like stuff with biotech implants, computer viruses, hacking, designer drugs, virtual reality, etc.

As far as the writing style, I really liked Dune, Hyperion and Neuromancer.

I am also really in to Neil Stephenson for his immense research and detail and whatever I read next I would like for it to be long as I primarily listen to Audiobooks at work and I want something that will last a few days at least.

I like Vernor Vinge but I found Rainbows End to be a little too... silly? Liked the tech but looking for something darker. Gibson is great but I thought Pattern Recognition was a little dull and low on technology futurism stuff. I intend to read Broken Angels (Kovachs 2) but I'd like to try a different author first since I just finished Altered Carbon.

Read something written by a woman. Try Cherryh for space opera. God's War by Kameron Hurley is a lot like Altered Carbon in its tone and delivery, though I think it's a pretty flawed book. I dunno there are probably a lot of recommendations I'm missing. There's Connie Willis but I don't think she'd be to your taste.

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Hey guys I've been on a two year long sci-fi binge and I'm running out of ideas for what to read next, was hoping you had some suggestions for me.

I would really like something with cyberpunk elements but also with strong prose and that has been written recently enough to extrapolate contemporary technology in to the future. I'm cool with anything from contemporary to the distant future as far as setting goes. Needs to be available in audiobook.

I think what I am looking for is something covering similar subject matter to Altered Carbon if that makes sense. I really like stuff with biotech implants, computer viruses, hacking, designer drugs, virtual reality, etc.

As far as the writing style, I really liked Dune, Hyperion and Neuromancer.

I am also really in to Neil Stephenson for his immense research and detail and whatever I read next I would like for it to be long as I primarily listen to Audiobooks at work and I want something that will last a few days at least.

I like Vernor Vinge but I found Rainbows End to be a little too... silly? Liked the tech but looking for something darker. Gibson is great but I thought Pattern Recognition was a little dull and low on technology futurism stuff. I intend to read Broken Angels (Kovachs 2) but I'd like to try a different author first since I just finished Altered Carbon.

Give Charles Stross a try - you might like him.

Additionally, even though it doesn't meet all your criteria, I'd recommend Ken MacLeod's Fall Revolution series, The Night Sessions, and The Restoration Game. Here's a decent summary of his style:

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His novels often explore socialist, communist and anarchist political ideas, most particularly the variants of Trotskyism and anarcho-capitalism or extreme economic libertarianism. Technical themes encompass singularities, divergent human cultural evolution and post-human cyborg-resurrection.

You've kind of already covered the big hitters, so I think you'll have to branch out a bit.

Edit: Oh, and check out "Otherland" by Tad Williams and see if that interests you. Honestly I never ended up finishing the series but I liked the first two books well enough.

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Thanks for these recommendations. I'm hoping at least some of them will turn out to have some real alien conflict, instead of the "whoops, we just didn't quite understand each other at first, but it turns out we are all the same" endings I've come to expect from alien contact stories.

About the Gap series; the aliens are pretty ancillary. They are an important part of the story, but they aren't even mentioned until the 3rd book IIRC.

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Can anyone recommend any books like "Declare" by Tim Powers?

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I personally suggest trying book 1. If you hate it, skip the series as a whole, it doesn't substantially improve from book 1. If you like it, I'd suggest reading the whole series, but skimming through a lot of books around 9-10 or so - Jordan really had major pacing issues in this part of his series. That said, the ending is totally worth it, and the books as a whole improve substantially in both 11 (where Jordan remembers about things like 'pacing' and 'having stuff happen in the plot' and 'actually advancing the timeline') and when Sanderson takes over after Jordan's demise.

The whole plot will have a ton of unresolved stuff if you abandon it partway through. There are typically narrative climaxes at the end of each book, but they tend to only resolve immediate conflicts, not the overarching plot of the whole series. The last few books are actually probably the best part of the series (though, as I wrote above, if you didn't like the first novel, the improvement is probably not substantial enough to warrant reading the series).

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Thanks for these recommendations. I'm hoping at least some of them will turn out to have some real alien conflict, instead of the "whoops, we just didn't quite understand each other at first, but it turns out we are all the same" endings I've come to expect from alien contact stories.

Embassytown definitely isn't a 'we're all the same' book. It goes pretty deep into notions of different ways of thinking, different physiologies, and even how spoken language's mental underpinnings could differ. I found it fascinating and enthralling, particularly as there is most definitely a conflict at the centre of it.

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The problem with this plan is that only the books *in the middle*, from around book 7 to around book 10, are bad. The last few books in the series are as good or better than the first few books in the series.

edit: I think the WoT is for people who read really fast. If you can knock out a thousand page book in short order it's worth the time commitment. If each book takes you a month though that's a year of your life for the whole thing.

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As someone who has read all but the last Wheel of Time book, I recommend not reading any of it. I enjoyed parts of it, but it just drags so badly and so many pointless plot arcs are introduced along the way. If you stop early you'll feel like you wasted your time, if you finish you'll spend too much time. Just don't read it.

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Read the first book or the first 3, both points can serve as stopping points. If you read the first 3 and like them, then I suggest that you keep going. As people said, 9 and 10 are a bit slow but it picks back up after that. Also one of those two books have one of my favorite chapters of the entire series so they are not all that bad, they just suffer from the poor pacing.

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IMO 1-3 are the best, 7-11 are poo poo, the first two Sanderson ones are good, and the last book is horribly rushed because all the loose ends have to be tied up (a lot of them still aren't, I guess Jordan was going to write a kind of epilogue after the series was over).

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I would really like something with cyberpunk elements but also with strong prose and that has been written recently enough to extrapolate contemporary technology in to the future. I'm cool with anything from contemporary to the distant future as far as setting goes. Needs to be available in audiobook.

Gibson is great but I thought Pattern Recognition was a little dull and low on technology futurism stuff. I intend to read Broken Angels (Kovachs 2) but I'd like to try a different author first since I just finished Altered Carbon.

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But The Silmarillion? It kept me captivated from start to finish. The genesis of Ea, the massive events that took place before and during the First Age, the Fall of Numenor in the Second, all of it kept me wanting for more. I finished it one read through and thoroughly enjoyed myself.

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Not even a question. The Hobbit is, in its entirety, pitched on a level lower than that of the pre-Rivendell parts of Fellowship. If you like Tolkien for his mythology, a few throwaway references to Gondolin aren't going to change the fact it's a book intended for 10 year olds. You want Children of Hurin, although keep in mind that while it's a good read and expands on the account in the Silmarillion, it's short by the standards of a modern novel and just as much of a post-mortem fix-up (if not more) as the Silmarillion was. Set expectations accordingly.

The tougher question is what someone with your interests should read after that. There's a lot more fragments of Silmarillion-like material in the History of Middle Earth series, but there are diminishing returns the deeper one gets into the arcana of Tolkien. The one "this is like that" I can offer is Jacqueline Carey's Sundering series, which is unashamedly a revisionist take on the Silmarillion with Morgoth as the...well, not quite good guy, but let's say the most sympathetic figure. And I guess there's always real history. I feel like the history of the Roman Republic and Empire hits some of the same notes (a long defeat in which heroism, art, and wisdom occasionally flourish only to be lost to catastrophes sparked by pride, malice, incompetence, mistrust, and plain bad fortune).

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I would really like something with cyberpunk elements but also with strong prose and that has been written recently enough to extrapolate contemporary technology in to the future. I'm cool with anything from contemporary to the distant future as far as setting goes. Needs to be available in audiobook.

I think what I am looking for is something covering similar subject matter to Altered Carbon if that makes sense. I really like stuff with biotech implants, computer viruses, hacking, designer drugs, virtual reality, etc.

As far as the writing style, I really liked Dune, Hyperion and Neuromancer.

I am also really in to Neil Stephenson for his immense research and detail and whatever I read next I would like for it to be long as I primarily listen to Audiobooks at work and I want something that will last a few days at least.

I like Vernor Vinge but I found Rainbows End to be a little too... silly? Liked the tech but looking for something darker. Gibson is great but I thought Pattern Recognition was a little dull and low on technology futurism stuff. I intend to read Broken Angels (Kovachs 2) but I'd like to try a different author first since I just finished Altered Carbon.

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So my question - should I go for The Hobbit or the Children of Hurin?

The Children of Hurin, definitely. As for where to go after that, I'd suggest looking into romance, myths, and epics (Malory, Beowulf, Chaucer), and asking in the Tolkien thread about what's in Unfinished Tales and The History of Middle-earth. I think there are a couple of other versions of Turin's story in there.

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I hope professional critics really aren't praising Redshirts as the SF book of the year.
As you might expect, professional critics have very little time for Scalzi, but the only major award that reflects the opinion of professional critics is the Clarke, which is awarded by a small jury of critics who read every novel submitted by publishers. It's a British award, which unfortunately means some stuff that's only published in the US (ahem, like a lot of SF by female authors...) doesn't end up getting considered. It's also nominally an SF award, not a fantasy award, but this has been interpreted liberally enough in the past to include books like Perdido Street Station.

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As you might expect, professional critics have very little time for Scalzi, but the only major award that reflects the opinion of professional critics is the Clarke, which is awarded by a small jury of critics who read every novel submitted by publishers. It's a British award, which unfortunately means some stuff that's only published in the US (ahem, like a lot of SF by female authors...) doesn't end up getting considered. It's also nominally an SF award, not a fantasy award, but this has been interpreted liberally enough in the past to include books like Perdido Street Station.

Well, the Nebula's voted by SFWA members, and there are other juried awards too yellow bone girls porn - the year Diana Wynne Jones was judging the WFA there was a kerfuffle when she was the only person to have read all the books (to be fair, there are ~400 of them) and then walked out. The cross-Atlantic thing also means that we get stupid situations like teen titans fanfiction archive Declare being up for a BSFA (or BFA?) ten years after it was published. Rolling eligibility is one thing, but look at how peoples' reputation changes in a decade - hot women naked pictures Perdido Street Station was a surprise winner over sex warrior pudding hentai Ash, iirc, but now one would probably look back and think "Of course". (Mary Gentle wuz robbed.)

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Did you guys see the Locus award winners?

Best YA novel was jonathan rhys myers nude Railsea, well deserved, but best SF novel went to porn star ariana jollee Redshirts. How the gently caress that unfunny, unoriginal, poorly written piece of poo poo won over books like free sex live shows 2312 and nude hot sexy pics The Hydrogen Sonata is kind of breaking my brain right now. Is Locus voted by the public? Because that might explain it. I hope professional critics really aren't praising mature pussy and tits Redshirts as free nude oil wrestling the SF book of the year.

Please console me as to why that book could have won



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Scalzi is chair of the science fiction fantasy writers association, and has been involved in a fair amount of outreach and damage control this year. It wouldn't be shocking were there some degree of bias there. That said, I haven't read KSR since the Mars series ages ago, and found him super dry. I know 2312 got praise, but how accessible is it?

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I would say 2312 is accessible*, but it's pretty dry and I've seen some people develop a strong dislike for the protagonist. It's not the sort of novel that grips you with a driving plot, it's more like a slice of life look into what the solar system and human beings are like 300 years from now. (I suppose it had more of a plot than "a future history of Mars", I guess?) I am not at all surprised it didn't fare well in an online vote.

I haven't read any of the other books on the fantasy nominee list but The Apocalypse Codex is the weakest Laundry novel**, but again, not at all surprised it won an online vote.

*Granted, I may not be the best person in the world to gauge this. When I think "inaccessible" I think Pynchon. And I'm the sort of person who grins at finding the word "escarpment" in a KSR novel.

**The Jennifer Morgue is Fleming, The Fuller Memorandum is le Carré, and The Apocalypse Codex is Clancy.

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Hedrigall
Mar 27, 2008

Furgiven, but not furgotten


I will happily admit that family guy sex moments 2312 has a grating main character* and about as much actual plot as a short story, and that plot is almost entirely in the background to the setting. But what a goddamn setting. My mind was reeling with every chapter from the ideas. When I read it I said it was my favourite science fiction novel ever, and I might not make the same claim now but it's definitely up there and I predict it'll be this decade's/century's naked girls live cam Dune.

*The annoying one being Swan. The other main character, Wahram, is a total delight, and nuanced, and fascinating.


edit: Hell, for posterity, here's the slightly incoherent Goodreads review I wrote immediately after finishing the book last year. I stand by most of this still:

I posted:

Right off the bat: this is probably the best science fiction book I've ever read. I cannot possibly give this book enough praise, but let me ramble a bit:

It's an absolute masterpiece, so dense with world building and SF ideas and amazing characterisation. It's this century's Dune. It's a loving tribute to science and ecology and art and music and our solar system and our species. It's a brilliant love story.

The book has roughly a short story worth of plot, but a whole trilogy worth of ideas and imagery and detail. The plot is secondary, almost unimportant, to the setting, the science, and the relationship between the two main characters. I loved these characters. They felt so real. The exploration of gender and sex and sexuality in the future was also really fascinating.

The pace is meditatively slow. Anyone reading the blurb and expecting a thriller/mystery and a fast-paced ride through the solar system will be disappointed. This book needs to be savoured, a few pages at a time. The excerpts and lists and random chunks interspersed with the narrative are just as enthralling as the narrative itself.

Kim Stanley Robinson has made me fall in love with our solar system, has given me hope for the future of humanity, and has made me wish I knew more about classical music. I have found an author whose entire back catalogue I must devour now.

Okay I think that's enough gushing.

Also, here are two contrasting views from the top two reviews of the book on Goodreads:

A 1-star review posted:

The only people I can recommend this book to are extreme liberals. Unwashed hippies, reeking of patchouli. This book postulates a world where conservatism, libertarianism, anarchy and capitalism are evil and never work. Except for some reason they do because old rich people demand they do. And in come our heroes of the nanny state liberal totalitarians to save the day. No mater what people want. If that sounds like heaven, read this book.

A 5-star review posted:

This is one of the best books I have read in a long time. It has an extremely interesting structure that verges on the allegorical. There's an alchemical marriage of Mercury and Saturn, The dynamic of old and emerging structures embedded in the present, three prose styles,- all very clever. A duet of Swan and Frog.

The lovers spin like Pluto and Charon, around the two plot Lagrange points of an endless walk beneath the surface of Mercury, and waiting to be rescued in the blackness of space- two personal moments that are stretched out like long breathes in the whirl impersonal/planetary action.

If any of what I've said or quoted makes you interested in the book, by all means read it! It's a divisive book and it's very worthy of being discussed and debated over.

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This is a tendency of mine when it comes to deeply divisive works of fiction but I didn't think it was terrible nor did I feel it was a masterpiece. I just enjoyed it for what it was (having read the Mars Trilogy), and can understand people being upset if it wasn't quite what they had hoped for. I didn't even find Swan that grating, and Wahram is a great character. My favourite parts were the interludes KSR put between chapters about future history and the development of science and would read a book by KSR that is nothing but those.

I will reserve giving an opinion whether it's the Dune of the 21st century until it's the 22nd century. I'm kinda doubtful it will have the same sort of genre impact Dune did, in that I doubt we'll be seeing anything like the subsequent flood of Feudalism In Space. (And it's kind of descriptive that south american nude women that is what most took away from Dune, instead of the mysticism and the ecology.)

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Fallom
Sep 6, 2008



Swan was really a detriment to 2312. Kim came up with this fascinating world and decided to show it through the lens of a grumpy, impulsive, combative and selfish child suffering from an entirely unsympathetic case of boredom.

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Illiteracy... what does that word even mean?

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keep reading. The ending is the whole point of the saga.

Those of you who have finished Fall of Hyperion, how could you advocate not finishing the novel knowing that streaming home sex videos The destruction of the farcaster network and the death of the Hegemony is the point of the whole saga?

I agree that the end of the second book is worth reading, and a satisfying place to stop, and the parts that didn't get resolved didn't bother me too much.

I skipped the Endymion books, but might come back to them. What are they about? Do they get more into free bestiality sex video time tomb/moneta/shrike origin stuff? Or is it an unrelated story/aftermath in the future of the same universe?

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So I am looking for recommendations on basically any fantasy that is either a single book or so self-contained that I could read the first book in a series without needing to immediately go into the next part. I tend to try to mix up genres and move from fiction to non-fiction so I don't want to get caught up in a series, especially one that is extremely long. I recently read the Colour of Magic since it was on a Kindle Daily Deal and, just as I feared, it ended on a total cliff-hanger with no resolution (although I have heard that the second book does wrap up this particular story). I would prefer swords & sorcery - either high or low - since I don't get enough of that in my reading diet, but I am fairly open in my reading tastes and can find enjoyment in anything. I have followed the flow-chart above and it seems like free porn video men Stardust by Neil Gaiman is one of the few that matched my criteria. I am pretty set on sci-fi, so don't need any recommendations there. Some fantasy I have read and enjoyed:

Series (just for reference): porn ass and pussy Lord of the Rings and tonya cooley porn video A Song of Ice and Fire

Single books: free brunette porn vids The Princess Bride, jackie chan adventures porn A Bridge of Birds, lindsay lohan sex scen Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norell, free sex movies nl American Gods, black couple sex tape Gentlemen of the Road by Michael Chabon, ways to say sex The Once and Future King. I also really enjoyed Kelly Link's short story collections, they are kind of modern feminist fairy tale/fantasy.

So, I know I'm late in responding to this and the thread has moved on somewhat, but I really enjoyed brave heart sex scene by Lev Grossman. It's clearly a modern homage to C.S. Lewis's Chronicles of Narnia, but was enjoyable regardless. The novel very much stands on its own but there is a sequel should you get invested in the story.

If anyone's looking for a good epic fantasy, I'm really enjoying Patrick Rothfuss' Kingkiller Chronicles. The first book is free sex videos blonde. I found the style of writing really unique, and the presentation of key parts of the story as a recollection of a main character leaves the possibility of a fallible or dishonest narrator having an impact on later events. The world-building is also very colourful without being oppressive, and the diction used is almost musical in quality. I kept finding myself comparing the book to listening to a symphony, as opposed to some lower-brow 'epic' fantasy being more equivalent to a brainless but easily-digested top-40 track.

Also to guy asking about Children of Hurin vs. The Hobbit, there's almost no question that you'll like Children better, but I personally found that it didn't have the same grand scale as The Silmarillion and, as a result of the way it was edited together from unfinished notes, was even more difficult to read through. I can't help but feel that much of what Christopher Tolkien elected to publish following JRR's death was essentially a cash in on the unexpected interest in The Silmarillion. To be clear, I also read and loved the Hobbit, and can't recommend against it to anyone unless you're put off by the more simplistic writing style.

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Great Gray Shrike
Oct 22, 2010


They get a little bit into the Shrike and it's origins. The explaination is pretty silly, though. On the whole though I consider the Endymion books very inferior to their predecessors; they are somewhat related, but on the whole the ending of Fall of Hyperion's resolution is pretty good, and if you weren't satisfied by lack of resolution after The Fall of Hyperion you will probably be even more dissatisfied by The Rise of Endymion's closing. They do rely on knowledge of the previous books a lot, and are highly related.

That said, the Endymion books are still way better than 90% of genre fiction. They don't feel the same as Hyperion, at all, but they're still a pretty good read.

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If anyone's looking for a good epic fantasy, I'm really enjoying Patrick Rothfuss' Kingkiller Chronicles. The first book is honey moon sex stories. I found the style of writing really unique, and the presentation of key parts of the story as a recollection of a main character leaves the possibility of a fallible or dishonest narrator having an impact on later events. The world-building is also very colourful without being oppressive, and the diction used is almost musical in quality. I kept finding myself comparing the book to listening to a symphony, as opposed to some lower-brow 'epic' fantasy being more equivalent to a brainless but easily-digested top-40 track.

I found the first book really astoundingly well-done on the whole, and really enjoyed it a lot. That said, the sequel was much, much worse, almost to the point of going back and wrecking the first book. I am not optimistic about further books in the series, based on the direction the second book was going. I'd suggest reading the first book and stopping there.

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This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

The Endymion books commit the cardinal sin of actively making their predecessors less good.

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