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I thought that revelation showed Yag's cultural differences from the New Crobuzoners (there's something similar with the city garuda, and the cactusfolk, I think), though I'm not sure how it ties into the book's other concerns, or his character.

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Yag's thing was one of my favorite bits. When Isaac decides to stand in judgement over him and took away the possibility of becoming a real(ish) Garuda again, he took an interesting alternative. Yag was, and remained a really bad Garuda. Bad both morally and physically. However, he turned out to be pretty much a big drat hero, or at least big drat anti-hero by criminal/interstitial-human standards, so in the end he decided to live as a human. Almost a happy ending. Sort of.

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Does anyone have any good recommendations for a fantasy novel or series that is relatively optimistic? I'm just not very into the whole GRRM grim-and-gritty-'realism' schtick. If you don't mind a bit of a rant, I like my fantasy to be, well, fantasy. I already know people suck, I'd like to get away from that for a while. I've tried reading the Wheel of Time series and didn't like it very much. I also like urban fantasy quite a bit - I've read the Dresden Files, Rivers of London, Felix Castor, the Rook, and some others.
Now I don't mean to imply I dislike it when bad things happen, I'm ok with horrific destruction so long as it's treated with gravitas and anguish and it all ends on a somewhat upbeat note.

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