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Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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DC has this character. You might have heard of him. His name:



Now wiki describes Batman as this:

Wiki posted:




Batman is the secret identity of Bruce Wayne, an American billionaire, industrialist, and philanthropist. Having witnessed the murder of his parents as a child, he swore revenge on criminals, an oath tempered with the greater ideal of justice. Wayne trains himself both physically and intellectually and dons a bat-themed costume in order to fight crime.[6] Batman operates in the fictional Gotham City, assisted by various supporting characters including his crime-fighting partner, Robin, his butler Alfred Pennyworth, the police commissioner Jim Gordon, and occasionally the heroine Batgirl. He fights an assortment of villains, often referred to as the "rogues gallery," which includes the Joker, the Penguin, the Riddler, Two-Face, Ra's al Ghul, Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, and Catwoman, among many others. Unlike most superheroes, he does not possess any superpowers; he makes use of intellect, detective skills, science and technology, wealth, physical prowess, martial arts skills, an indomitable will, fear, and intimidation in his continuous war on crime.


but this is likely to change as Snyder re-invents Batman's origins, we will have a Secret Origins issue coming out soon that will probably contradict Snyder's Year Zero, and this is the Nu52 where all your old characters have new origins. So if you think know Batman, think again. Or don't. You might be right. By the way was his back every broken? Who knows?

With this (lack of)knowledge, onwards to the daunting task of going through the bazillion and counting Batman titles that DC releases. What's worth reading? How can Batman be on 3 teams at once (because he is secretly Wolverine in the nu52) and what do I, personally think of each title. To make this a little bit easier for you, I will list all titles (as of February 27, 2014) and tell you just how Batman it is (1 Batman is not very Batman-y, 5 Batman is ultimate Batman-y)

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Writer: Scott Snyder
Artist: Greg Capullo

Previous comics:
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What's it about :
Well this is the main backbone of the Batman line, I guess. Basically every single crossover for the Bat family has been spearheaded by the events in this comic. First Snyder introduced the Court of Owls, then he did a horror comic starring a defaced Joker. Now he is re-inventing Batman's origin for the nu52. This is probably the biggest Bat title out there.

How Batman is it: Batman Batman Batman


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Writer: John Layman
Artist: Aaron Lopresti

What's it about :
Honestly I haven't read in Detective Comics. Actually I haven't really read many Batman titles outside of the main one. Oops. Anyway here is a wiki:

wiki posted:

Daniel wrote and penciled the series until the "Night of the Owls" crossover, at which point Ed Benes, Julio Ferreira, and Eduardo Pansica began drawing the series for a three issue arc.[62][63] The price of Detective Comics was increased due to the addition of a backup feature starring Batman villain Two-Face, which was written by Daniel and illustrated by Syzmon Kudranski, this followed a similar backup featuring Hugo Strange.[64] Daniel left the series with issue #12 being his last as writer and the "0" issue his last as penciller.[65]

DC celebrated the first anniversary of The New 52 in September 2012 by publishing a number "0" of each original New 52 title which act as prequels to the series and reveal previously unexplained plot elements.[66] Gregg Hurwitz wrote the "0" issue.[67] Hurwitz was approached by Daniel to write the "0" issue due to Daniel's busy schedule.[68][69] To follow up on the "Night of the Owls" elements in Detective Comics, Daniel wrote Detective Comics Annual #1 which was pencilled by Romano Molenaar and inked by Sandu Florea.[70]

Following Daniel's tenure on the series, John Layman became the new writer and Jason Fabok the new artist[71] with James Tynion IV writing the backup features and Syzmon Kudranski remaining as artist for Tynion's first feature. With issue #19 of Detective Comics vol. 2, released on April 3, 2013, the series reached 900 issues as combined with the first volume of the series, and was a special oversized celebratory issue. Under Layman, the series is set to launch its first crossover, Gothtopia. Following the crossover, Layman and Fabok will move to the Batman Eternal series and Detective Comics will be taken over by Brain Buccalleto and Francis Manapul.[72]
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How Batman is it: Seeing that it still focuses on Batman


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Writer: Peter J. Tomasi
Artist: Patrick Gleason

What's it about :
This one I have read. Initially this was titled Batman and Robin. Then something happened to Robin. And now Batman is left without a partner (but plenty of young people still want to hang out with him which isn't creepy at all). Since Robin's....disappearance from the mortal plane, Batman has been teaming up with everyone he could to try fulfill the gap left by a young precocious whippersnapper. The current (and just concluded) arc involved Batman and Two-Face teaming up. It didn't end well. Next up though, Bats teams up with Frankenstein. Maybe Frankie can down a Robin costume.

How Batman is it: Well Batman still gets top billing so, but he has to share a bit of the spotlight now with not-Robins.


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Writers: Scott Snyder, James T Tynion IV, John Layman, Ray Fawkes, Tim Seeley
Artists: Jason Fabok (and others)

What's it about :
No idea. This one comes out in April. All we know is that spoiler is going to be in it. And Catwoman is a crime kingpin because....

How Batman is it: This is going to be one of those "spine-book" things so it might not just focus on Batman so....


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Writer: er........Marc Andreyko
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What's it about :
Ah, the original "what the gently caress DC" book. Well not really. But some poo poo sex in plastic pants thanks to some bad DC editorializing. Anyway, without the surrounding controversy Batwoman is about Kathy Kane aka Batwoman, who just so happens to be a lesbian but still gets equal treatment in the DCU by not being allowed to marry her significant other. Besides that, this title boasted some amazing artwork by J.H.Williams III before he was told he couldn't tell the stories he wanted to anymore. I kind of stopped reading slightly before that so I have no idea what is going on now. Did she face Killer Croc yet? Did Killer Croc even appear? Is Alice around?

How Batman is it: Well there is a Bat in the title, but I don't think Bats has done much.


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Writer: Gail Simone (aka BSSS fave)
Artist: Fernando Pasarin

What's it about :
It's about fan-favourite Batgirl. No, not the plunky Stephanie Brown. No, not that kick rear end Cassandra Cain. We are talking about Barbara Gordon. Isn't she paralyzed? Nope. Not anymore. As for the comics itself, well it won't get talked about here much unless it is about "how much I hate Gail Simone because she is the worstest and I think all her comics should be put on fire and I wouldn't save her from a falling building and....". But yea, Batgirl is around now. Also she might have killed her brother.

How Batman is it: As Batman as...Gail Simone?


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Writer: [Cancelled]
Artist: [cancelled]

What's it about :
Life got kind of sucky for Nightwing. Initially this title was about Nightwing, former Bats' sidekick, doing his own thing. Then poo poo happened in Forever Evil, and now Nightwing's title is soon to be no more.

How Batman is it: Well he was an awesome Batman for a while


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Writer: Justin Gray, Jimmy Palmiotti
Artist: Eduardo Pansica

What's it about :
In a testament to the fact that you can put "Bat-"in a title and it will still continue, Batwing is a thing that still exists. From what I have heard the original Batwing was a man living in some made up African country who decided to end the corruption there. I assume he did because the new Batwing is Luscious Fox's son and he operate in Gotham.

How Batman is it: Well Gotham is the main area now, and he has Bat in the title...


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Writer: Gregg Hurwitz
Artist: Ethan Van Sciver

What's it about :
Holy poo poo. This title is still going. And I was just making jokes about Batwing above but this proves the point. Initially this was started as a vanity project for David Finch. Yes loving David Finch. Because of this title we got this:

What the hell is going on with the title now? No idea. I thought it was cancelled 3 years ago.

How Batman is it: The fact that is still around is testament to the strength and will power of Batman so it is a pretty great example of the character.


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Writer: Jeff Parker
Artist: Various

What's it about :
Batman '66 is a loving homage to a simpler time. A time when Joker was more concerned with robbing a bake sale than removing his face and making murals out of human bodies. A time when Batman hung out in the Daytime, called everyone chum, and knew how to surf.

How Batman is it: It is either the most batman thing there is, or not violent and depressing enough


So there you have it. A shiny new Batman thread. And boo-radly is there plenty to discuss. Batman Eternity is going to hit the shelves soon. Batman Year Zero is onto its 3rd arc, Batwing and Batman: Dark Knight still exist. So discuss we must. Because like just like Batman never dies, neither does endless speculation, adulation, bitching and whining.

edit: There are several million other titles that fall under the Bat (some in the most tenuous ways ie sales reasons) but if you want to talk about Catwoman, Batman Beyond, Birds of Prey (which is still a thing)then go ahead. Also for some reason that can only be excused with the word "obsession" there is a alexis laree nude pictures. It is probably the best thread of the year, and probably should be the thread people go to to bitch about what the hell Starfire is wearing at the moment.

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It's worth noting for people that in April Francis Manapul and Brian Buccellato are taking over Detective Comics and I've got really high hopes for the series. I put their "reinvention" of Flash up their with Lemire/Sorrentino Green Arrow relaunch, really good superhero books.

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I thought The Dark Knight got cancelled. Did they change their minds at the last second?

I was at the DC website and they had solicits for March. I might still be cancelled but I thought it ended years ago.

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I'm surprised you mentioned Batman '66, but not Batman Beyond 2.0 since both are digital titles that are being printed. Particularly since Terry McGinnis is going to be introduced in nu52 during Future's End.

(Or am I the only one here who likes Batman Beyond?)


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If you take into account DC's grouping, there's a few titles missing from the OP: Birds of Prey, Harley Quinn, Catwoman and Red Hood.

I could list every single Bat title but if I did we would be here all day. However, I will edit the OP accordingly.

edit: OP edited right at the bottom to let people know that they can still talk about the hundred other Bat titles out there. Also to pimp the Red Hood thread.

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I could list every single Bat title but if I did we would be here all day. However, I will edit the OP accordingly.

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Is this where I get angry about Nightwing losing his run? Cos I totally am.

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Tynion IV is writing the finale. If there's a Dick relaunch coming, that might be a worse omen.

I don't hate Snyder's Batman but I can't stand all his little proteges getting gigs because they've picked up all his bad habits seemingly without learning what makes his style successful.

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Scott Lobdell finding himself with time on his hands is the worst of all omens.

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I used to love reading Batman comics, but gave up when it seemed that they just all became pretty terrible.

The last big arc I enjoyed was Grant Morrison's run - I enjoyed the death and return of Bruce Wayne, then found the start of Batman Incorporated alright but a bit up and down, and I bailed out near the beginning of that when there was a huge delay between issues. I read some of Scott Snyder's Court of Owls and thought it was alright, read some of that lovely comic out at the same time where Joker cut his face off, and basically haven't gone back since.

I've read through the OP and thread but does anyone have any recommendations as to which of those titles, if any, are actually any good? And which comics in that time were decent? I.e. don't have stupid moments like the "One Face" panel posted, and are well written and enjoyable.

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I really didn't care for the Death of the Family arc but I think Zero Year is actually really good. Just stick to the main series starting at #21. You should also go back and finish reading Batman Incorporated since it's all done now.

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I used to love reading Batman comics, but gave up when it seemed that they just all became pretty terrible.

The last big arc I enjoyed was Grant Morrison's run - I enjoyed the death and return of Bruce Wayne, then found the start of Batman Incorporated alright but a bit up and down, and I bailed out near the beginning of that when there was a huge delay between issues. I read some of Scott Snyder's Court of Owls and thought it was alright, read some of that lovely comic out at the same time where Joker cut his face off, and basically haven't gone back since.

I've read through the OP and thread but does anyone have any recommendations as to which of those titles, if any, are actually any good? And which comics in that time were decent? I.e. don't have stupid moments like the "One Face" panel posted, and are well written and enjoyable.

Thanks!

The only post-reboot "Bat" title I can wholly recommend in good faith is Batwoman Issues #1-24 (collected in four volumes with the last coming out next month - also refer to pre-New 52 collection titled Batwoman: Elegy), but Batwoman isn't Batman so if that's what you're looking for and Snyder's Batman didn't float your boat here are some other options:

1) Batman And...
This Peter Tomasi/Pat Gleason series, originally titled Batman and Robin has been consistently good. It's subject to a fair amount of crossovers but the art style alone is enough to keep me coming back. Read this if you want stubbled, angry Bruce yelling at people.

2) Batman: The Dark Knight
This is the title that you mentioned with the idiotic One Face panel at the end of issue #1. Fortunately, Gregg Hurwitz took over as of issue 10 and started telling stories about Batman fighting against his gallery of enemies, moving from one to the next. I think he's covered Mad Hatter, Clayface, and now it's on to a Man-Bat story. If you like that sort of thing, these issues are at least passable.

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I don't read this, as far as I know it's the worst of the titles with Batman as the star. If you want to see Bruce being smart or any sort of detective, you're essentially limited to Snyder at this point in time.

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I used to love reading Batman comics, but gave up when it seemed that they just all became pretty terrible.

The last big arc I enjoyed was Grant Morrison's run - I enjoyed the death and return of Bruce Wayne, then found the start of Batman Incorporated alright but a bit up and down, and I bailed out near the beginning of that when there was a huge delay between issues. I read some of Scott Snyder's Court of Owls and thought it was alright, read some of that lovely comic out at the same time where Joker cut his face off, and basically haven't gone back since.

I've read through the OP and thread but does anyone have any recommendations as to which of those titles, if any, are actually any good? And which comics in that time were decent? I.e. don't have stupid moments like the "One Face" panel posted, and are well written and enjoyable.

Thanks!

The title you should be reading is Batman 66.

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I'm getting stupid excited for Manapal and Buccaleto to take over Tec already. I'm basically only buying Batman for Capullo at this point so it'll be nice to have a Batbook that I'm invested in emotionally again.

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I don't read this, as far as I know it's the worst of the titles with Batman as the star. If you want to see Bruce being smart or any sort of detective, you're essentially limited to Snyder at this point in time.

I'll go to bat (heh) Detective Comics. Most people gave up on that book because Tony Daniel is a terrible writer and never looked back, but John Layman, who is not a terrible writer, penned a pretty good rollercoaster of a run where Batman did all the things you'd expect Batman to do but where things built up in the background, so there was a nice little slow burn effect going on, which is always fun. If you gave up on Tec because it became an endless game of "how much more grimdark can I get this time?", do know that the Fabok/Layman run, which starts on #13, is pretty much not that, and so the book was very much a good read.

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You gotta do Batwoman.
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Thanks for the recommendations and advice guys. I will check out the rest of the Court of Owls story, then skip the Joker story in favour of going straight to Zero Year - and I'll also finish Morrison's run, finally.

When I grew up my favourite was Shadow of the Bat, written by Alan Grant and (mostly) drawn by Norm Breyfogle, plus Legends of the Dark Knight, and the regular Detective Comics and Batman books always seemed to be pretty good as well. And the Knightfall arc, which I thought was awesome at the time.

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Thanks for the recommendations and advice guys. I will check out the rest of the Court of Owls story, then skip the Joker story in favour of going straight to Zero Year - and I'll also finish Morrison's run, finally.

When I grew up my favourite was Shadow of the Bat, written by Alan Grant and (mostly) drawn by Norm Breyfogle, plus Legends of the Dark Knight, and the regular Detective Comics and Batman books always seemed to be pretty good as well. And the Knightfall arc, which I thought was awesome at the time.

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