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Logan 5
Jan 29, 2007

Bash -> To the Cop


Just breezed through Blood Rites since it followed Death Masks. Not a lot of denarian stuff in it obviously but I did notice that a few times before the Hellfire even shows up on his staff Harry loses, or near-loses, his temper and the energy/magic he builds up is described as "crimson". Which I thought was pretty interesting considering the last time he had and used magic described in such terms is after gaining back his power and more from Kravos in Death Masks. I'm not entirely sure if this is just to show that the source of his power at the moment is tainted or that Harry himself can be the source of that kind of angry, murderous magic. Probably both though, Butcher has always written it as if Harry is constantly walking a line of temptation and power. Perhaps even one his mother didnt thread so well.

Speaking of which, I hope we get a little more tidbits at least from Skin Game on that front. The links to The Merlin and the Arthurian legend there just tease at me, from her last name being so close to le Fay (sometimes considered The Merlin's biggest nemesis), Mab's particular interest in Harry, hell even her middle name (Gwendolyn) is used early in its etymology as a name for the wife of Merlinus, the proto-Merlin basically. And lest we forget that it seems like the infection that the adversary uses seems to have originated from the athame of Morgan Le Fay. How this all might connect to Harry being the Warden of the Merlin's prison, and his mysterious starborn birth stuff, is just to fun a web of mystery not to speculate about.

And it just occurred to me that although we know Ebenezer is Harry's grandfather, we know absolutely nothing about his grandmother. I mean, it could be completely insignificant and just be normal person that Ebenezer has simply far outlived, but considering that he's still around and its never mentioned once nor has Harry gotten more details about his family that he must know existed, it just suddenly seemed to me as a subtle but suspicious omission.

Ok, I'm going to stop now. Is it the 27th yet?

e: should I spoiler any of this? I really wouldnt want someone new to the series to read it

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e: should I spoiler any of this? I really wouldnt want someone new to the series to read it

Someone new to this series should have the common sense to avoid threads like this, and if they don't, it's their own drat fault.

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I decided to reread Death Masks in anticipation of Skin Game. It's been a long time since I read an early book, and it's really interesting looking back. For example, I had forgotten how hostile Charity was to Dresden early on. It's cool how much Harry saving Molly multiple times really changed her attitude.

I'm assuming once Harry tells Michael & Charity about what happens at the end of Cold Days it'll be just like old times!

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Someone new to this series should have the common sense to avoid threads like this, and if they don't, it's their own drat fault.

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Wasn't Merlin born of a mortal woman and an incubus?

Yes I believe so. Although my knowledge of the Arthurian legend is mostly hodgepodge media over the years and what I read online (aka wikipedia). I'd love to hear what anybody with any bit studied background in it thinks.

Skimming through Dead Beat now. Noticed that when Harry's in Bock's book shop and "Shiela" helps him find the still a teen movie Die Lied der Erlking he notes that the book had been compiled out of old wizard writings by the "Wizard Peabody early last century".

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Skimming through Dead Beat now. Noticed that when Harry's in Bock's book shop and "Shiela" helps him find the vannesa anne hudgens nude Die Lied der Erlking he notes that the book had been compiled out of old wizard writings by the "Wizard Peabody early last century".

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Yup, noticed that in my recent reread but then I asked myself: brandy c porn tape Why did Cowl needed that copy from Dresden when he could have asked Peabody for a copy of the poem if it's true that both of them were Black Council?

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Yup, noticed that in my recent reread but then I asked myself: old people and sex Why did Cowl needed that copy from Dresden when he could have asked Peabody for a copy of the poem if it's true that both of them were Black Council?

Presumably because he had written it a century prior and didn't have idetic memory?

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Presumably because he had written it a century prior and didn't have idetic memory?

Yeah, but Angry Lobster was saying that Cowl could have just gotten a copy from Peabody. He compiled the book so presumably he would have a copy of the book.

Edit: God dammit I really need to change my profile picture It creeps me out everytime I see it.

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e: should I spoiler any of this? I really wouldnt want someone new to the series to read it

Only really need to spoiler new stuff, or if someone comes into the thread and says they've started reading the series. Then we get all spoilery so that they can keep on coming in and posting their reactions which is and simultaneously annoy the people who start crying whenever we spoiler stuff from the older books.

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Yup, noticed that in my recent reread but then I asked myself: korean sex scandal video Why did Cowl needed that copy from Dresden when he could have asked Peabody for a copy of the poem if it's true that both of them were Black Council?
I never even thought of that. That's a very good question.

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It's been the 27th for like half an hour now, hurry up and release already.

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Yup, noticed that in my recent reread but then I asked myself: list of celebrities nude Why did Cowl needed that copy from Dresden when he could have asked Peabody for a copy of the poem if it's true that both of them were Black Council?

I can come up with two possibilities. The first, is that much like the Grey Council, the Black Council is organized into cells. It's entirely possible Cowl et al simply didn't know that Peabody was Black Council.

The second option, and one I find more interesting, is that they may not have even been on the same side at all. Given what Kumori said about necromancy etc being able to be used for good, I think it's entirely possible that there is a Black Council operating that is not working as an agent of Nemesis, but in fact is opposing the Outsider forces. If you think about it, turning yourself into a demigod (via darkhallow) would be a pretty drat good way to arm yourself for defending reality.

I'm probably missing a bunch of things that poke holes in this but I pretty much have the shakes waiting for Skin Game to be in my hands.

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The other, simpler possibility is that Cowl didn't want to secure the brand new porn stars Lied for himself as much as he wanted to keep it out of the hands of his rivals. Even if he already had it (or didn't need it), locking down the other copies in Chicago could have delayed the other Kemmlerites (and Harry) enough so they couldn't stop him.

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The other, simpler possibility is that Cowl didn't want to secure the lesbian on lesbian porn Lied for himself as much as he wanted to keep it out of the hands of his rivals. Even if he already had it (or didn't need it), locking down the other copies in Chicago could have delayed the other Kemmlerites (and Harry) enough so they couldn't stop him.

This is the case, Kumori even tells him he doesn't need to hand it over just destroy it & they would be happy. Happens outside of Bock's Books.

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Who'd you piss off to get it in the first place?

Pretty sure it was ConfusedUs. I joked about wishing I had given him his retarded Dresden/Pony crossover fanfiction picture and like a day later there I was with one of my own.

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Pretty sure it was ConfusedUs. I joked about wishing I had given him his retarded Dresden/Pony crossover fanfiction picture and like a day later there I was with one of my own.

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The second option, and one I find more interesting, is that they may not have even been on the same side at all. Given what Kumori said about necromancy etc being able to be used for good, I think it's entirely possible that there is a Black Council operating that is not working as an agent of Nemesis, but in fact is opposing the Outsider forces. If you think about it, turning yourself into a demigod (via darkhallow) would be a pretty drat good way to arm yourself for defending reality.
Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, Cowl was working with Outsiders in White Night.

e: So I'm rereading Cold Days in preparation, and noticed something. Harry's headaches are caused by "the parasite", which people have been assuming is Lash. When Lily first talks about Nemesis to Harry, she describes it as "A disease. A parasite. A poison." Might just be a coincidence, but I thought it was an interesting word choice.

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Nov 22, 2003

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I got the impression that Cowl was playing the role of well intentioned extremist when we first met him. He was willing to use the power of the Darkhollow/necromancy to accumulate enough power to accomplish whatever his real goal was (presumably opposing the outsiders).

By White Knight though he's acting like a completely different character, so I think we can assume real sex pony play Nemesis has taken him over. He would have been an easy target after getting blowed up by his own ritual.

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Just got an email saying release has been pushed back to 2015, it was listed as beginning of june when I ordered

Where do you live? Because I've gotten three copes from Amazon so far (they kept sending me damaged copies), so it's definitely out in the US and UK.

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I think the hardcover is out here as well, but I ordered the paperback since the release date was a week later and it was less than half the price. Guess someone mixed the dates up in the database. Guess I'll pick it up next time I'm in the UK cause there is no way I'm paying 20 euros for it.

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I'm about 25% through severed streets. It's good so far. But now I won't get it done before skin game. I'll have to pick it up after and I hope it doesn't taint my enjoyment.

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It always kinda struck me as funny that Harry's healing factor, which is able to perfectly rehabilitate bone calluses and even regrow Axons after the Myelin has been char broiled, is somehow unable to deal with a little bit of fibrosis.

Oh well, 'rule of cool,' I suppose.

Remember that magic takes intent and the subconscious into effect. Harry's really attached to who he is and his memories. It'd make sense for him to be subconsciously suppressing his healing factor when it comes to his more memorable scars.

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Skimming through Dead Beat now. Noticed that when Harry's in Bock's book shop and "Shiela" helps him find the mature and young porn Die Lied der Erlking he notes that the book had been compiled out of old wizard writings by the "Wizard Peabody early last century".

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I was lucky enough for Amazon to deliver my copy of Skin Game today. After reading it cover to cover, I can only say one thing; holy loving poo poo that was good.

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In Turn Coat Harry even makes fun of Peabody for his lovely German in his book. It's before he reveals himself as a bad guy so it was much more entertaining to read the second time through.

Mostly a pisstake because so many people told Jim he hosed up the German after the fact.

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It's on my kindle now so later thread (in the UK btw), time to read me some wizard

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Counting another person who Amazon tried to deliver to a day early here.

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I had mine delivered to work because I knew it would be delivered while I was there and now I'm wishing I'd taken my chances and had it delivered to my house so I could actually read it now instead of tomorrow. gently caress this waiting I'm about to break into Barnes and Noble to steal a copy.

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When can we begin to discuss Skin Game (in spoiler tags, of course)? I want to make a joke about a thing about a fourth of the way through.

I don't want to be the first one, though. It would be awkward.

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