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No one really cares what specific subject matter you learned in college; you probably forgot most of it the second you graduated. A college degree is a piece of paper that says for four years you worked with others, you met deadlines, and you accomplished a reasonably complex and stressful goal without giving up. Walking in to an interview and saying "well I taught myself how to code" tells me that you can code, not that you can do the job.

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I've been in management since 6 months after I started there, and I'm making 3x what I was making in 2004 and having a lot of fun in the process.

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People skills. Bullshit. The gift of gab. Whatever the gently caress you call it that makes people like you. Its the only thing that can actually differentiates you from the other 75 people with your exact skillset. Its what turns you from a resource into a person. Its what turns you from expendable to protected. Degrees, certs, experience; its all worthless when its all the same. Businesses may try their damndest to turn workers into easily replaced cogs, but ultimately it is people hiring people. Game them.

Edit: Anecdote time. Years ago I had a tremendously gifted guy on our staff who I said was paid less than he was worth, but more than he deserved. Why was this? Because he was loving insufferable. As time went on I could barely stand him, the rest of the staff didn't like him and he was pretty much banned from customer locations unless another tech was with him to speak with people. Ultimately this guy's inability to deal with people led to me letting him go. His gigantic pile of MS and Cisco certs didn't get him very far and his career eventually just collapsed. Finally, after some time doing non-IT jobs that made him actually interact with people, he got his poo poo together and is now CTO of a not so small company in California. The moral of this story is, never be that guy who's description ends with, "but nobody likes him."

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You all understand that "Be totally honest on your resume" and "Bullshit everybody in the hiring process" are not compatible with each other, right?

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