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Hey, so, what's the goonsensus on Night Witches? I saw a copy of it at my FLGS and thought about getting it but I'm on a very tight budget at the moment and decided to pick up the latest volume of Rat Queens instead. I'm thinking that I might get it once I have more money again.

Night Witches looks pretty good, and I'd love to give it a full-on go at some point, but it's another in an ever-increasing list of PBTA games for people who already know how to play PBTA games. (A pet peeve of mine, which I think is a side effect of most of them starting life as hacks rather than complete games.)

A quick review based on my read-through:

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Night Witches looks pretty good, and I'd love to give it a full-on go at some point, but it's another in an ever-increasing list of PBTA games for people who already know how to play PBTA games. (A pet peeve of mine, which I think is a side effect of most of them starting life as hacks rather than complete games.)

As I found out when fleshing Legacy out as a full product, writing GM advice and explaining the subconcious procedures you use in play can be a lot harder than writing rules material. I'm pretty sure that's the biggest part of what made AW so great - it formalised and communicated clearly how you actually run a game of it. Sitting down and working out exactly how the game should be run, and how it's different from a 'standard' RP experience, is something I'd say even most published games don't do, but it can be really helpful.

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As I found out when fleshing Legacy out as a full product, writing GM advice and explaining the subconcious procedures you use in play can be a lot harder than writing rules material. I'm pretty sure that's the biggest part of what made AW so great - it formalised and communicated clearly how you actually run a game of it. Sitting down and working out exactly how the game should be run, and how it's different from a 'standard' RP experience, is something I'd say even most published games don't do, but it can be really helpful.

Night Witches uses (with permission) Monsterhearts's pretty good "Teaching the Game" section. I'd be curious to hear what people with no PbtA experience think of Night Witches, but I do think Jason Morningstar offers some good guidance, although I do agree that the "no actual character sheets/playbooks in the book" thing is a problem. I know page space is at a premium and it's not going to be a problem for most of the market to download PDFs, but it's inconvenient.

Has anyone here actually played NW? I'm considering pitching it to my usual group (experienced roleplayers, some with backgrounds with AW and Monsterhearts, some without) and am trying to figure out how to spin the "rotating GM" thing, in particular.

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I've been in a couple sessions. They've been pretty good for me, but I'm not sure everyone had the same experience. The MC is doing a really good job of selling the setting and the context, how lovely and scary the PCs situation is, bringing up lots of pressures, etc. He's got a lot of experience running PbtA games, to be fair, but the game is doing good work on making the bombing runs feel brutally (and appropriately) hard if you don't build up your mission pool or other advantages during the day.

I decided to be the person to take the highest rank, which meant I was the one deciding who was in what plane, who did attack runs, etc. This meant I had a lot of control over who would get to shine and who would not, so I was experiencing the game on a different level than some of the other players who didn't get as much spotlight (despite my efforts). We are definitely playing with just about too many players at 5 PCs, so I think some folks aren't getting as many scenes as they'd like, and you kinda need those scenes to survive the night missions.

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I don't know if I should post this here, or in the old Dungeon World thread, but anyways.

Leaving aside anything from Awful Good Games (because I don't want to give that guy my money), what third party playbooks for Dungeon World are worth getting?

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I played four or five sessions.
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I really, really enjoyed the playbook moves unlocking on situation rather than level up. I was playing a kind of nebbish coward*, and unlocking moves with things like ifc best sex scenes -You encounter a villain you sympathize with and want to learn more about is stellar.

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So it's not the moves triggering in those situations, it's you unlocking new moves by getting into situations? That sounds really cool, actually.

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I'm three sessions into a Night Witches game. It's valuable to note that the character sheet packet also contains a starting scenario that introduces the situation really well. It also promotes the GM-swapping component of the game by encouraging you to have each player take turns controlling different key NPCs in the regiment. I can't speak to how well it teaches PbtA mechanics because all of us are very familiar with that. I did find the stuff about the rhythm of the day/night cycle to be really helpful, since that really defines the game and makes it a pretty different experience from other PbtA games I've played.

There definitely has been a lot of low-level pvp, which is certainly supposed to be there. The conflicts so far have been less overt than pvp conflicts I usually see in Apocalypse World, and nothing like the epic confrontations in Monsterhearts, but I guess it depends on your group. I think it does make sense for people stuck in close quarters in highly stressful situations to have it out with each other though.

The night moves are all really scary. The results of a soft hit mean some really difficult choices, especially as planes get damaged and not repaired, or pilots go flying with harm. We're starting to hit the point where people have to really think twice about taking marks. Marks are very interesting, at first they're a good safety valve, but they get less appealing over time. I love the narrative triggers on them, they have really fleshed out some of the characters. It doesn't take long for players to really start desperately looking to get some mission pool to cover themselves for all the hard night stuff.

The day is interesting to GM because it's a little hard to precisely say how many scenes you should have. I've started to use, "you can do that if you cut into your sleep and take 1-harm from exhaustion" a lot. Sometimes a day cycle is a lot longer because some real drama comes up.

We're coming up on the end of the second duty station, and one of the players has said he wants to GM that one. I only ran my PC for a little bit in the intro so it will be cool to see it from the player side.

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I don't know if I should post this here, or in the old Dungeon World thread, but anyways.

Leaving aside anything from Awful Good Games (because I don't want to give that guy my money), what third party playbooks for Dungeon World are worth getting?

Most of Jacob Randolph's stuff is pretty good, although his base Mage 2.0 class can be a little overpowered. I believe there is a variant which fixes the main issue with the class, however. Otherwise, his stuff is generally good.

Pick up Johnston's' classes, they come for free in a red pdf.

The Warlock by Sean Fager is a fun class, even if it is an oldy, as is the initiate.

If you can find the hack-n-slasher by Nygren and Kennedy (produced in Grim World), it's a pretty fun class with lots of room for interpretation.

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I can't cite sources for the rest, but that should do for now.

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Most of Jacob Randolph's stuff is pretty good, although his base Mage 2.0 class can be a little overpowered. I believe there is a variant which fixes the main issue with the class, however. Otherwise, his stuff is generally good.

Pick up Johnston's' classes, they come for free in a red pdf.

The Warlock by Sean Fager is a fun class, even if it is an oldy, as is the initiate.

If you can find the hack-n-slasher by Nygren and Kennedy (produced in Grim World), it's a pretty fun class with lots of room for interpretation.

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I can't cite sources for the rest, but that should do for now.

A bit of a mage heavy selection, but what can ya do.

Randolph's specialist mages (Winter Mage, Clock Mage, etc.) are probably my favorite of his (and they come in a convenient discounted bundle!), along with the Witch. EDIT: And the Dashing Hero, if you're looking for something that naked woman clip art isn't a spellcaster of some kind.

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So it's not the moves triggering in those situations, it's you unlocking new moves by getting into situations? That sounds really cool, actually.

You gotta do it to learn it. Sometimes, you'll unlock a new book because you realize you've acted a certain way, which is the complete opposite of "think with your character sheet" roleplaying

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I really hope they change the basic moves and alter the language to better fit the license because I like the comic and DW itself doesn't fully match the tone. I might be talking out of my rear end, but the comic can't just straightly be ported onto DW without there being some issues.

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I really, really hope he goes for tone instead of setting. We could really go without rules for a fantasy setting that, let's face it, is just like all the other ones (on purpose, even).

And writing for tone is going to be hard. The two things that make Rat Queens stand out in my mind are witty dialogue, that you really can't quantify into an RPG without going at least a little experimental, and a heavy focus on interpersonal relationships. If we get a fantasy RPG focused on relationships, romantic and otherwise, that'd be awesome.

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And writing for tone is going to be hard. The two things that make Rat Queens stand out in my mind are witty dialogue, that you really can't quantify into an RPG without going at least a little experimental, and a heavy focus on interpersonal relationships. If we get a fantasy RPG focused on relationships, romantic and otherwise, that'd be awesome.
Yeah, I agree, but I have faith in Adam. I believe he'll do right by the property.

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There's also a hack out there called Secret Police which puts players in the shoes of the not!Stasi. I'm not sure where it is now, but I think Forums Terrorist has access.

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A couple of years ago (boy, the time does fly) my friend Lichtenstein ran a session about two feuding Venetian noble houses. The kicker here was that everyone had two characters: one from House Contarini, the other from House Falieri. This worked really well, even though some characters had a lot of prep and backstory, but little screen time (it's hard to find a time to play a Falieri outcast who needs dough to marry a Byzantine heiress when your other character is the Contarini Doge). He then let the intrigue mostly run itself, with the players' actions and reactions guiding it. With everyone having a bigger or smaller stake in both houses, even small bullshit scenes were exciting and prompted a lot of activity from everyone, and with two characters for everyone by design, player elimination was not as big a deal as it would typically be (although only one character actually died - due to a terminal case of bungee-less bungee jumping).

I'd like to do something similar, but about Cold War-style spies. Two rival agencies set up shop in the same place (a Central American country? Not-Berlin? Somewhere else? I'm not exactly sure yet). Both want to achieve something (rig an election? Intercept a defector? Something else entirely?), although they come in with different levels of equipment and preparation, and we take it from there.

The problem is I'm gonna have to most likely borrow and tweak stuff from elsewhere to make it suit my needs. Lichtenstein's game used the A Song of Ice and Fire hack with some tiny changes, but I'd like some more control over the content. I'd like the character sheet itself to feed the players ideas to get them going right off the bat.

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Full disclosure:

A couple of years ago (boy, the time does fly) my friend Lichtenstein ran a session about two feuding Venetian noble houses. The kicker here was that everyone had two characters: one from House Contarini, the other from House Falieri. This worked really well, even though some characters had a lot of prep and backstory, but little screen time (it's hard to find a time to play a Falieri outcast who needs dough to marry a Byzantine heiress when your other character is the Contarini Doge). He then let the intrigue mostly run itself, with the players' actions and reactions guiding it. With everyone having a bigger or smaller stake in both houses, even small bullshit scenes were exciting and prompted a lot of activity from everyone, and with two characters for everyone by design, player elimination was not as big a deal as it would typically be (although only one character actually died - due to a terminal case of bungee-less bungee jumping).

I'd like to do something similar, but about Cold War-style spies. Two rival agencies set up shop in the same place (a Central American country? Not-Berlin? Somewhere else? I'm not exactly sure yet). Both want to achieve something (rig an election? Intercept a defector? Something else entirely?), although they come in with different levels of equipment and preparation, and we take it from there.

The problem is I'm gonna have to most likely borrow and tweak stuff from elsewhere to make it suit my needs. Lichtenstein's game used the A Song of Ice and Fire hack with some tiny changes, but I'd like some more control over the content. I'd like the character sheet itself to feed the players ideas to get them going right off the bat.

I'm not very good at hacking PbtA, though, so I'd appreciate any ideas and help from the thread (even with the general concept building).

As the guy who wrote that, it's probably not what you're looking for based on your description of your game. It's way more about diving through plate glass windows and doing Mission Impossible shenanigans after all your Sam Fisher bullshit goes tits up. I would thoroughly recommend taking a gander at Urban Shadows, though. You can throw out all the supernatural stuff and what you're left with is a game about Debt, politics and underhanded dealing. The not-quite-PBtA game Undying which has a text preview up on Kickstarter at the moment sounds like it could be productive reading for you, too. It's a diceless game about scheming vampires and the "day-and-night" mechanics as well as the way competing schemes are effectively a bidding war with limited resources sounds like it could work very well for a game about two competing spy agencies.

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