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nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.

I just hope that with the seemingly endless parade of new characters and plotlines, the comic doesn't buckle under it's own weight and just stops unresolved like SFP.

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Nov 9, 2016


Frankly SFP wasn't anywhere close to the total structural collapse Erfworld has been laboring under for years. Like Tetsuo in Akira, it's just all random organs and heaving masses of text.

Sometimes I feel like I can hear the plot and character arcs wheezing "Kill... me..." when I get around to reading updates.

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XkyRauh
Feb 15, 2005

Commander Keen is my hero.

Maybe there'll be a time skip, as we deal with whatever this Generica business is, and by the time we get back to what we left behind, we'll be on the next turn?

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I have good news, and I have bad news.
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Maybe there'll be a time skip, as we deal with whatever this Generica business is, and by the time we get back to what we left behind, we'll be on the next turn?

The next turn and each side will inexplicably have 4 more casters/warlords all with wacky character traits.

Also they'll all be point of view characters in different cities.

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Rand Brittain
Mar 24, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."

As long as we get Cubbins' explanation of why Hat Magic is the pivot of the universe (and how much he wants to smooch Ace Hardware) I don't care.

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Nov 4, 2009

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As long as we get Cubbins' explanation of why Hat Magic is the pivot of the universe (and how much he wants to smooch Ace Hardware) I don't care.

It'll turn out that Erfworld's own Signamancy borrows heavenly from Pratchett and the world is thus balanced on top of 4 elephants, standing on top of a space turtle.

The turtle wears the elephants and the hex-map as a hat.

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Nov 9, 2016


The only good hat metaphysics is totally destroying Signamancy by wearing an important object as a hat.

Total recontextualization, like in Starslip Crisis' best storyline.

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The only good hat metaphysics is totally destroying Signamancy by wearing an important object as a hat.

Total recontextualization, like in Starslip Crisis' best storyline.

I love Starslip Crisis so intensely and so rarely get a chance to say so. To have a web comic as a good and complete and satisfyingly concluded story sitting on my shelf, with no chance for future less good updates to retroactively ruin anything is such a rare and precious thing,

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Nov 18, 2009

No need to sign, we'll take care of that.


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I'd have let this interlude of "everyone gets a Temple" slide had it just been edited into a single update. We really didn't need two updates worth of about some probably trivial side in order to get there, especially when we're all worn out from the slog of character bloat and plot creep.

I really hate Tondy a lot because she was a prime example of it. How many updates did we have getting to know a character who died and won't be important unless she gets decrypted, which will be so far from the time she died they might as well have saved most of her backstory for after she's decrypted.


A miserable pile of Clevin.

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sirtommygunn
Mar 7, 2013

Revelry in the Dark


I stopped reading this for about 6 months, came back and caught up on it all over the past few days and just... jesus christ. I can't even summarize what happened, everything is so needlessly complicated yet nothing happens as a result of it. These recent pages have been so dense and pointless that I actually remember very young lesbian pics less of the main character's names than I did before I started. I had to look them up to write this post.

Wanda's dead, I guess, that would have been fine as the end of the book last year, but now I'm left wondering why all this was necessary to lead up to that. There were plenty of opportunities to have "the dirtamancers find a way to dig bedrock, head down, catch and kill wanda" happen, but for some reason we need 100 pages to get there. The thing is, though, that I don't feel anything about her dying. Who gives a poo poo, the reason I hated her was because she kept spouting her fatalistic bullshit and now it seems like every member of the cast believes the same thing, so what does that leave her with for unique personality traits? If you figure it out, let me know.

Every single member of the main cast is just loving brain dead suddenly, and if they ever try anything it doesn't work. Parson, who has explicitly been fighting against fate this whole time, has an entire page where he thinks to himself "fate is a fucker, it is out to get me, my bracer is actively lying to me in service of fate, so let's just go along with it I guess it'll probably work out" all so we can bullshit a way that he will be taken miss ohio outstanding teen away from the action. Jack gets a lot of screen time and inner monologues just to end up literally standing in a corner going "oh?" whenever someone talks and then getting effortlessly shoved aside when he finally makes the decision to do SOMETHING. Stanley and Sizemore have spent the entire book I think sitting in the loving basement. Maggie at least gets to do something, but only through the power of other characters, also none of it ends up mattering.

I'm not gonna comment on the "side" characters and temples beyond "I really don't give a poo poo about any of them and their inclusion actively makes the story worse".

I'm gonna quit this again but just like the last time I swore it off I'm sure ill come binge read it again in 6 months.

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Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016


At this point, after a long, slow falling-away I follow this thread instead of reading the extended web-novel I never signed on for about the uninteresting yet overcomplicated inner lives of Hat Magicians.

And then I go read a specific update when it seems like it might have something interesting in it and usually it wasn't worth it.

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Mar 24, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."

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I really hate Tondy a lot because she was a prime example of it. How many updates did we have getting to know a character who died and won't be important unless she gets decrypted, which will be so far from the time she died they might as well have saved most of her backstory for after she's decrypted.

Tondelayo is... actually pretty important as a window into Charlie's less heartless side? Like, it's a big deal that the five people who actually know him really do care about him as a person, and he cares about them more than you might think he was capable of doing.

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Tondelayo is... actually pretty important as a window into Charlie's less heartless side? Like, it's a big deal that the five people who actually know him really do care about him as a person, and he cares about them more than you might think he was capable of doing.

See, I have to disagree: This matters only in the context of a story that does something with it.

Otherwise, structurally, you've built a robust setting, not a robust story. Everyone has their sides and facets, but, only the parts that enrich the story matter. Charlie's own perspective, with his addictions and his paternalistic relationship with his side, do enough to humanize him for what's actually been done with him.

This is sort of the overarching issue I have with all the extra characters - many of them serve to flesh out the setting in a way that's fine for a bonus for the fans, but doesn't in any way shape the actual narrative. And when these asides HAVE been brought in to be vital to the story, it's in clumsy and uninteresting ways like 'everything to do with Strings' and the puppet guy. Characterization for the sake of filling out pages, or just filling gaps in the setting, is a garnish - it shouldn't be the main course.

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Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.


Basically we need to start a petition to pull Balder off this comic and replace him with Brandon Sanderson.

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Oct 9, 2012



The occasional "this is the life of a random stabber" page was pretty cool in book 2

It now feels like a majority of pages are like that

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Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.


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Basically we need to start a petition to pull Balder off this comic and replace him with Brandon Sanderson.

Imagine the Sanderson conclusion of a chaotic event, rapidly jumping between viewpoint characters, where they only succeed because of everyone's unique skills.

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See, I have to disagree: This matters only in the context of a story that does something with it.

Otherwise, structurally, you've built a robust setting, not a robust story. Everyone has their sides and facets, but, only the parts that enrich the story matter. Charlie's own perspective, with his addictions and his paternalistic relationship with his side, do enough to humanize him for what's actually been done with him.

This is sort of the overarching issue I have with all the extra characters - many of them serve to flesh out the setting in a way that's fine for a bonus for the fans, but doesn't in any way shape the actual narrative. And when these asides HAVE been brought in to be vital to the story, it's in clumsy and uninteresting ways like 'everything to do with Strings' and the puppet guy. Characterization for the sake of filling out pages, or just filling gaps in the setting, is a garnish - it shouldn't be the main course.

My own guess, this kind of thing is what happens when the author spends too much time building the setting and not enough time planning the plot.

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