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It feels like we talk about Jason Todd a lot in this thread, relative to his popularity.


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And thus D_T's twisted plan comes to fruition...

I feel like I don't get enough credit for all the mock user names I come up with for him.

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Man, it’s like they’re teasing you with Flashpoint Batman and Skeets, and will explain their motivations when they do more than stand in the background.
I know we're on decompressed biweekly Rebirth Tom King is a Poet time and all, but the cliffhanger reveal that teen age love quotes BANE IS BEHIND IT ALL happened eight issues ago. It hasn't really been addressed since then, and this week's issue sort of shows how Bane gets his minions in and out for talks, and complains about how Bruce Wayne hosed up his master plan by convincing people to not convict Mister Freeze (which again, it's more important to quote Shakespeare at length than to explain the basic mechanisms of Gotham Law & Order despite the plot hinging on one of them and it's not Shakespeare). Which makes it seem like maybe he needs people to get arrested and sent to Arkham as part of his plan. Because that's what we're told.

But yeah, I expect a scene in issue 85 where Skeets is arrested for public urination and processed into Arkham so Bane can tell him to set school to thee an ant, to teach thee there'st no labouring in winter. Which is girls naked showing pussy all part of the plan.

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And since it happened on the last page of the latest issue, we’ll probably find out how Penguin can get a couple henchman to blindly follow orders to kill themselves.
Penguin is a cartoonishly evil mob boss in the DC Universe, I am sure he can get his henchmen to murder/suicide each other because there are half a dozen stories where if you accidentally scuff his shoe he murders your parents and gives your kids AIDS and frames your partner as a child rapist and blows up the building your best friend lives in because huge boob sex video he is a bad guy who does bad stuff in the most faux-mature way possible. I'm not questioning a bad guy in the DCU being capable of hardcore poo poo, nine times out of ten the average Batman villain will side with plans that involve the destruction of America, Earth, the Multiverse, the concept of free will, etc.

I *am* questioning how ordering a murder-suicide by gunshot is supposed to convince Batman he's on the up and up and they should team up. There's probably something in Twelfth Night or something that will justify it though.

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Getting them to kill themselves wasn’t to endear himself, it was to show that he still had some degree of power or control.
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All this Jason Todd talk makes me wonder, was Red Hood and the Outlaws good? I remember reading the first issue and disliking it, but I see some good comments about the run and makes me wonder if it improved at some point.

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All this Jason Todd talk makes me wonder, was Red Hood and the Outlaws good? I remember reading the first issue and disliking it, but I see some good comments about the run and makes me wonder if it improved at some point.

Volume 1 (N52) was met with mixed reception from the critics and much better reception from the readership through its run.

Volume 2 (Rebirth) has been very well received by critics and readers all across the board.

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Feb 11, 2008

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The fact that the story arc straight after the wedding was the jury duty one and it is coming out now that it is somehow connected to Bane makes me think that there is some loooooong plan going on now.
I'm pretty sure as the arcs ramp up there will be an interlude arc explaining how Bane pulled all the characters together. That's generally how these long stories go.

I also found it a bit stupid of how Penguin ordered the murder suicide. It felt a bit out of character and something King threw in there to show "this isn't your dad's penguin" or some such poo poo. Kind of like how all of Batman's villains can't be silly anymore but ultra serious violent criminals.

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I also found it a bit stupid of how Penguin ordered the murder suicide. It felt a bit out of character and something King threw in there to show "this isn't your dad's penguin" or some such poo poo. Kind of like how all of Batman's villains can't be silly anymore but ultra serious violent criminals.

I feel like he just wanted to tell Batman he was on the up-and-up and that's the only way he knew how because he's the Penguin.

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Is there still a dedicated thread to Batman comics somewhere? I can't find it.

Edit: If not, I'd like to discuss the three volume/52 comic run of Batman Eternal. I just finished it last night. Am I wrong in thinking that this was a brilliant piece that takes the same motif from books like the Long Halloween (many villains, mystery to solve) and expands on it? And each bat family character (except for Batwoman) gets a good amount of page-time. And I really liked Harper Row and Steph Brown.

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Is there still a dedicated thread to Batman comics somewhere? I can't find it.

Edit: If not, I'd like to discuss the three volume/52 comic run of Batman Eternal. I just finished it last night. Am I wrong in thinking that this was a brilliant piece that takes the same motif from books like the Long Halloween (many villains, mystery to solve) and expands on it? And each bat family character (except for Batwoman) gets a good amount of page-time. And I really liked Harper Row and Steph Brown.

Its kathy shower sex scenes but deadish, feel free to revive it. And yeah I liked Batman Eternal and Batman and Robin Eternal. Harper was a pretty good character, shame she's all but disappeared.

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Its beach movie sex scene but deadish, feel free to revive it. And yeah I liked Batman Eternal and Batman and Robin Eternal. Harper was a pretty good character, shame she's all but disappeared.

Phooey, that thread was archived in July. I'll just do batchat here. Does Batman/Robin Eternal pick up threads from Batman Eternal? Because otherwise they wrapped it up nicely.

One thing I did like was that I had read volumes 1-7 of New 52 Batman first. And when I got to Endgame, I had no idea wtf "Penny-Two" was. So I liked seeing that it was explained in Eternal. Is there a chronology timeline somewhere for these newer comics? As best I could tell, it was basically Detective Comics (joker removes face) -> New 52 Volumes 1-6 (i know a few of those were prequels but still)->Batman Eternal Volumes 1-3->Batman nu 52 vol 7-10--------------------> DC rebirth.

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I've heard positive to mixed reactions to Batman Eternal from people but I don't think I've really heard much of any positive reaction the Batman and Robin Eternal.

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Phooey, that thread was archived in July. I'll just do batchat here. Does Batman/Robin Eternal pick up threads from Batman Eternal? Because otherwise they wrapped it up nicely.

One thing I did like was that I had read volumes 1-7 of New 52 Batman first. And when I got to Endgame, I had no idea wtf "Penny-Two" was. So I liked seeing that it was explained in Eternal. Is there a chronology timeline somewhere for these newer comics? As best I could tell, it was basically Detective Comics (joker removes face) -> New 52 Volumes 1-6 (i know a few of those were prequels but still)->Batman Eternal Volumes 1-3->Batman nu 52 vol 7-10--------------------> DC rebirth.

Does that seem accurate?

It does indeed tie in, more backstory and such, I don't know if it was collected in the tpbs though it might've been.

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I've heard positive to mixed reactions to Batman Eternal from people but I don't think I've really heard much of any positive reaction the Batman and Robin Eternal.

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It does indeed tie in, more backstory and such, I don't know if it was collected in the tpbs though it might've been.

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Perfect, thanks for the link! I just got Volume 1 of the Morrison Omnibus so I'm looking forward on reading through that. I read a bit of the first volume regarding Damian and loved it.

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I think my two favorite issues in both series were the Genevieve Valentine ones where Harper and Cass go to a ballet. That was in B&RE, so +1 for reading it.

edit: Also, Tynion's Rebirth Detective Comics was a great follow-up.

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Both of the Batman Eternal series feel like retellings of classic Batman stories but for Nu52.

For some reason this reminded me of a publishing initiative that DC floated by us at a retailer summit as a "isn't this a great idea" sort of thing. They were seriously considering releasing newly updated and edited collections of old trades but changed to match the N52 history. I really wish they'd pushed on with that, if only out of morbid curiosity.

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I thought B&R Eternal was alright but I find Batman Eternal to be hot garbage. It's supposed to be like some kind of mystery, IIRC, but mainly it just invents a bunch of contrivances in order to stuff basically every Batman character and/or rogue into one story.

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For some reason this reminded me of a publishing initiative that DC floated by us at a retailer summit as a "isn't this a great idea" sort of thing. They were seriously considering releasing newly updated and edited collections of old trades but changed to match the N52 history. I really wish they'd pushed on with that, if only out of morbid curiosity.

That sounds like it would be an incredible mess, holy poo poo.

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I thought B&R Eternal was alright but I find Batman Eternal to be hot garbage. It's supposed to be like some kind of mystery, IIRC, but mainly it just invents a bunch of contrivances to fit basically every Batman character and/or rogue into one story.

I get that, but I think it does the formula better than Long Halloween. In Long Halloween you could cut out most of the rogues gallery and just stick with the crime family drama and it would still work. Eternal is predicated on the idea that poo poo tons of villains need to be involved just to trick Batman thinking it must be some huge conspiracy.

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I get that, but I think it does the formula better than Long Halloween. In Long Halloween you could cut out most of the rogues gallery and just stick with the crime family drama and it would still work. Eternal is predicated on the idea that poo poo tons of villains need to be involved just to trick Batman thinking it must be some huge conspiracy.

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You would be cutting out one of the major focal points of the books. The fall of the crime families and the rise of the "freaks".

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Not really? The freaks take over once the crime families fall apart, but we don’t need the freaks to help topple their empire.

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The idea isn't that they helped its that they filled the vacuum left by the crime families fall.

Yea, that’s my point. I’m saying if you removed all the parts with the costumes in Long Halloween, such as Falcone hiring Ivy, you’d have a more cohesive story. Show the freaks coming more into prominence at the end of Long Halloween and thru Dark Victory.

My original point was that I believe Eternal does a better job of incorporating the villains and making their appearance useful to the plot.

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