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Kinda lovely that they apparently screwed over Marguerite Bennett at the last minute in favor of Rucka, though.

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As of Batman #50 twin sister porn video Jim Gordon's police commissioner again, so he's almost guaranteed to be a regular face in King's Batman and quite likely Detective Comics as well. In that same issue Bruce is shown approaching Duke saying he has an "offer" for him. It was assumed Duke was going to be the new official Robin, but after todays announcements I dont know if that's still the popular rumor.

Yeah, I hadn't read Batman #50 but I have seen the screenshots of porn sex site reviews Bruce being back and Duke becoming Robin, presumably but none of the solicits I was seeing mentioned anything about either of them so I was wondering if any of the Batman writers mentioned their plans for either character.

It kinda feels like a lot of stuff that happened/is happening in DC You is just kinda going out the window. I get that this is just a regular quirk of relaunches; plot threads wrap up quickly and the new books don't necessarily pick up plot threads left over from the pre-relaunch books, but I was kinda looking forward to stuff like abby winter nude yoga a new official Robin, Harper Row and Midnighter being in stuff, etc.

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Kinda lovely that they apparently screwed over Marguerite Bennett at the last minute in favor of Rucka, though.

According to her Patreon, at least part of why she had to back out of Wonder Woman because of some "expensive surgery" she had . Between Wonder Woman, Angela: Queen of Hel over at Marvel, and Bombshells probably not continuing into Rebirth, this is some bad news for Bennett all around. I really hope DC or Marvel gives her rooster rock nude beach something.

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Because they rebooted the universe?

So? They didn't suddenly decide Clark Kent was raised in the Bronx, or that Bruce Wayne had two living elderly parents.

I'm not even that salty that they retconned stuff, but every writer these days does so, and I'm not sure why Azzarello's stuff deserves special protection, when he ingnored additions made in runs just as good as his that a lot of people liked, and I'd argue, hew closer to the ideal of Wonder Woman as a feminist icon.

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Kinda lovely that they apparently screwed over Marguerite Bennett at the last minute in favor of Rucka, though.

We think. Sharp apparently has already seen scripts from Rucka, so either they did the 'ask multiple writers to do full scripts without telling them it's an audition' thing again, or Rucka's been the plan for a while.

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Almost like Azzarello clear-cutting all of Marston (William and Elizabeth), Perez and Rucka's stuff? Why are his changes sacrosanct, but the stuff he decided to retcon is fine to lose?

None of his changes were even all that interesting. So being committed to them is weird.

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I like Harper but she was literally created because they wouldn't let Snyder use Stephanie or Cassandra so yeah...you're not wrong.

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Still kinda lame that we have a grand total of 4 women writers on 3 books (because 2 of them are a team) and I don't believe a single all-female creative team.

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So? They didn't suddenly decide Clark Kent was raised in the Bronx, or that Bruce Wayne had two living elderly parents. .

Well they did kill off the Kents, so...

It really doesn't matter. Azz' run was very well received for the most part despite a few critical missteps and managed to draw an audience of people who weren't typically into Wonder Woman comics and regardless of your feelings towards the run or the purity of his audience, driving them off by completely paving over everything he did is in no one's best interest.

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Who gives a poo poo?

You hear to read good comics or make sure a company is filling arbitrary diversity quotas?

There's enough good women writers and artists for DC to be able to do both. Framing it as an either/or is all kinds of hot garbage bullshit.

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I'm stoked! Rucka & Priest are fantastic outside gets, and there's pretty much nothing outside of the inexplicable survival of RHatO & Venditti's GL that's an immediate write-off in the same way a bunch of the DCYou books were.

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I'm stoked! Rucka & Priest are fantastic outside gets, and there's pretty much nothing outside of the inexplicable survival of RHatO & Venditti's GL that's an immediate write-off in the same way a bunch of the DCYou books were.

Is Priest actually a good writer these days? The only recent thing I can think of is Q2 and by all accounts that was beyond terrible.

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So going through all the stuff, aside from a couple of actual big changes (like Rucka coming back) this just seems like your generic reshuffling of talent. There's very little particularly interesting -- none of the pitches themselves seemed like big mixups or major changes in direction. Maybe it's because I'm tired of Batman and am not going to read it even if King is on it that I'm so blase about it (as I was, like everyone else, hoping King went onto books I had an interest in) but nothing here seems particularly fresh or interesting.

Heck, even Rucka on Wonder Woman is technically a retread, if a refreshing retread at that.

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Now that Rucka is back on into the fold it's time for DC to make a play for Waid.






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I wonder how much of a creative voice Harras has anymore. It feels like Lee, DiDio, and Johns make a lot of the decisions that I'd normally associate with the EiC.

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The whitest of white guy posts. If the choice is between "arbitrary diversity quotas" and "an endless stream of the same lovely white dudes getting chance #4938 to write mediocre to bad comics" then go ahead and sign me up for creative white genocide. I'm sure that there's never been someone other than white dudes who have ever had good ideas for Batman, Green Lantern, Flash, etc. That's definitely the only reason they're the only people to have ever written those books, a pure meritocracy where loving Frank Tieri and Tony Daniel are some of the finest writers alive.


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Is Priest actually a good writer these days? The only recent thing I can think of is Q2 and by all accounts that was beyond terrible.
Our only sample size in the past decade+ is Q2, which wasn't great but wasn't anywhere near 'beyond terrible' except maybe as a 'new reader', and was also a weird case because every time Q&W has taken a hiatus he pretends there were X number of issues in between so Q2 was basically a writing exercise pretending that it was the 200th-something issue of the series. It isn't really representative of what he's capable of outside of an inside joke/victory lap.


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I wonder how much of a creative voice Harras has anymore. It feels like Lee, DiDio, and Johns make a lot of the decisions that I'd normally associate with the EiC.
It's hard to say, Bob Harras is the same dude who after he got fired from Marvel took a weird rear end consulting editor job for Wildstorm (presumably because Harras chose Lee over Claremont repeatedly bad in the early 1990s) where he never even moved to the west coast and just worked out of his NJ/NY home and mostly just worked to make sure his favorites from the X-Office (Scott Lobdell, Ben Raab) had writing jobs after the Harras-Marvel well ran dry. When DC bought Wildstorm he got shuffled off into Collected Editions and I guess wowed everyone so much with DC's trade program that he got appointed Editor in Chief/VP when they restructured things and his pal Jim Lee got promoted to co-publisher. Then when Didio's longtime friend Eddie Berganza had to get demoted for being a serial sex offender or whatever, Harras was looking out for his pals too and brought in Bobbie Chase as DC's "Editorial Director", presumably because of the impressive work she did over a decade of editing books about ponies, not because she was his assistant/right hand person at Marvel in the 1990s.

Which is also why DC keeps putting people who first broke big in the X-Men offices 20+ years ago, good and bad (Scott Lobdell, Fabian Nicieza, Bryan Hitch, Tony Daniel, Aaron Lopresti, Ken Lashley) on books no one was clamoring to see them on.

Which also to be fair, is why people are continually cynical about DC's perpetual revamp: for all of the writers and artists and editors they cycle through, the same people with track records ranging from spotty to "some wild scumbag poo poo" continue to populate the upper echelons, with no real sign of systemic change.

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None of his changes were even all that interesting. So being committed to them is weird.

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Bleeding Cool reckoned Gerard Way's Doom Patrol is heading to Vertigo.

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It really doesn't matter. Azz' run was very well received for the most part despite a few critical missteps and managed to draw an audience of people who weren't typically into Wonder Woman comics and regardless of your feelings towards the run or the purity of his audience, driving them off by completely paving over everything he did is in no one's best interest.
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Salt the goddamn Earth with the remains of that run. If you like it you can just reread those issues, they're still around.

edit: Oookay wait that came across much meaner than I intended. Clearly I have anger.

Who even knows what Rucka is gonna end up doing?...he could retcon a lot, he could retcon a little. Heck, I might end up hating what Rucka does toohahahaaa sorry yeah I couldn't finish that thought.

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They aren't talking about any pre52 characters (except Ted Kord) until DC Rebirth One Shot comes out

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Salt the goddamn Earth with the remains of that run. If you like it you can just reread those issues, they're still around.

This is the most obnoxious poo poo. Please don't tell people off by saying that back issues exist.

Imagine if someone told you, when Azz's run was happening, to go reread the Rucka WW run (probably for the tenth time, right?) if you want it so badly instead of expressing your opinion. It solves nothing and just agitates people.

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Apr 24, 2007

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

I know it was obnoxious, which is why I amended it.

I don't have to imagine the scenario you describe though, because it's happened a number of times here. It's what I was trying to (unsuccessfully) lampshade.

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This is the most obnoxious poo poo. Please don't tell people off by saying that back issues exist.

Imagine if someone told you, when Azz's run was happening, to go reread the Rucka WW run (probably for the tenth time, right?) if you want it so badly instead of expressing your opinion. It solves nothing and just agitates people.

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I love Rucka, I think he's one of the best writers in comics, but it's not particularly encouraging reading that blog post. There's more subtle jabs and complaints about "not my Wonder Woman" than there is actual evidence of good ideas of his own. Ignoring a previous writer's work to tell the story you want to tell is one thing, wasting issues going back and taking it apart just so everything could be precisely how free sex fuck videos you want it is something else. The little jabs about Diana smiling almost read like he hasn't even read the Azz issues and just looked at the covers and heard that Diana was the God of War now and just assumed it was all grimacing, all the time.

I would much rather he just tell me a story starring 'his' Wonder Woman, because let's face it, this is Rucka and DC, he's not going to be writing this book forever. Every issue he spends saying "Actually, this is how it really happened" is an issue of original story he could be writing.

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I mean, I don't know, while it could be about the Azzarello run, there's a whole lovely Meredith and David Finch run in between, so

Plus, "something hosed up the Amazon have kept from Diana" feels like the plot of every other Wonder Woman story, so

Unless the first issue opens on Ares being all like "I'm not dead also Athena was never a baby and that wasn't Hephaistos, it was just some random guy who made stuff up haha funny right", I think Rucka's earned the benefit of the doubt.

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Jeez it'd be tough to think of an announcement they could make that I'd be more underwhelmed by than this. Any word on where Babs Tarr, Annie Wu, and Cam Stewart are ending up? Batgirl, Black Canary, and Gotham Academy were the only DC titles I was still up on, and very few of these books seem to be in that style at all. I just want more fun and visually exciting books please! Is Prez ever coming back?

Tom King on Batman is a book I was ready to be excited for but woof that art team really dials that way back. Although they don't list it here but Jordie Bellaire is coloring I think? Hat hours help somewhat hopefully. I'll probably still check that out, but these are not the Batgirl and Birds of Prey announcements I was looking for after all the buildup in the current books!

Rucka Wonder Woman is tempting, but we're not even through Legend of Wonder Woman yet so I dunno that I'm ready for another year long origin story. I'm also bummed we lost the chance at Marguerite Bennet's Wonder Woman.

I guess there's still whatever unannounced Multiversity stuff Morrison's working on to be excited for at least!

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Jeez it'd be tough to think of an announcement they could make that I'd be more underwhelmed by than this. Any word on where Babs Tarr, Annie Wu, and Cam Stewart are ending up? Batgirl, Black Canary, and Gotham Academy were the only DC titles I was still up on, and very few of these books seem to be in that style at all. I just want more fun and visually exciting books please! Is Prez ever coming back?

Tom King on Batman is a book I was ready to be excited for but woof that art team really dials that way back. Although the don't list it here but Jordie Bellaire is coloring I think? I'll probably still check that out, but these are not the Batgirl and Birds of Prey announcements I was looking for after all the buildup in the current books!

Rucka Wonder Woman is tempting, but we're not even through Legend of Wonder Woman yet so I dunno that I'm ready for another year long origin story. I'm also bummed we lost the chance at Marguerite Sauvage's Wonder Woman.

I guess there's still whatever unannounced Multiversity stuff Morrison's working on to be excited for at least!

Gotham Academy isn't ending. It just wasn't given a big fanfare at the Rebirth event. There's a tweet upthread from one of the creators confirming it.

I didn't really care for Black Canary but I agree with you re: Batgirl. Seems really abrupt for a team that basically saved the character, and I don't know how much I trust them not to mess it up.

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Gotham Academy isn't ending. It just wasn't given a big fanfare at the Rebirth event. There's a tweet upthread from one of the creators confirming it.

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Gotham Academy isn't ending. It just wasn't given a big fanfare at the Rebirth event. There's a tweet upthread from one of the creators confirming it.

I didn't really care for Black Canary but I agree with you re: Batgirl. Seems really abrupt for a team that basically saved the character, and I don't know how much I trust them not to mess it up.

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To wit, Marvel put Te-Nehisi Coates on Black Panther and there's been a decent amount of press/anticipation for his take. And they've still got a crazy amount of goodwill with Kamala's Ms. Marvel.

Meanwhile DC is still *really* pushing Cyborg to fill the blindingly white ranks of the JL. They did decent with Prez (which sells unimpressively), Batgirl and Black Canary, but their attitude with Cyborg is pretty indicative of their overall publishing ethos.

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