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1915
Splitting the Atom
Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity ultimately leads to the splitting of the atom and the dawn of the atomic age.
This epoch-defining stage in human evolution will act as a beacon that awakens ancient superspecies sustained by nuclear energy.

1943
The U.S.S. Lawton Incident
[...] survivor. Haunted by the memory of that day, Randa will go on to become one of MONARCH's foremost operatives, searching for the truth behind the ancient creatures that exist beneath the surface of our world.

1946
MONARCH Founded
In the aftermath and cover-up of the U.S.S. Lawton incident, President Truman unofficially establishes "MONARCH Unit", A small, off-book research team established to engage in the systematic study of "Massive Unidentified Terrestrial Organisms". Privately, many of Truman's allies question the validity of the group's theories and work to keep their existence a secret.

1952
The Great Smog of London
Baffling meteorologists and defying [...] this unexplained weather phenomenon [...] overwhelmed by huge clouds of air-pollution [...] MONARCH theorizes that the beating [...] could have created an anticyclone th[...] pollutants across the city.

1959
Siberian Mystery

1973
Mission: Skull
MONARCH surreptitiously partners with LANDSAT and the 1st Aviation Brigade, 3rd Assault Helicopter Company to mount an expedition to the mythical "Skull Island" in an uncharted corner of the south Pacific. Encountering the god-like superspecies known as Kong, they soon discover that mankind does not belong here.

1991
Isla De Mona
A covert MONARCH team establishes a quarantine zone around the island's dormant volcano, under the guise of "environmental research". Over the coming years, what began as a small scientific outpost will expand to become a full containment facility around the mouth of the volcano.

1995
Return to Skull Island
MONARCH security officer Aaron Brooks d[...] his father Houston Brooks and leads an off-the-books mission to Skull Island, to determine what has become of Kong since the 1973 expedition.

1999
Janjira [...]
(graphic says "Janjira, Japan", this is the incident that killed Walter White's wife in Godzilla)

2009
Temple of the Moth
Mythographic Studies of Chinese temples leads MONARCH to the high-altitude jungles of the Yunnan province. Dr. Emma Russell and her team follow a mysterious bio-acoustic signature to a previously undiscovered megalithic temple, within which lies a gigantic cocoon. A quickening heartbeat is detected inside.

2005
A Mysterious Mercenary(?)

2012
Message in a Bottle

2014
The Battle of San Francisco
The existence of giant superspecies is revealed to the world as Godzilla clashes with two M.U.T.O.S in the center of San Francisco, unleashing devastation upon the urban center, the world watches as Godzilla defends our world and restores balance to the natural order. The time has come for MONARCH to step ouf of the shadows.

2016
Monster Zero
When MONARCH discover an extraordinary superspecies sealed beneath the Antarctic ice sheet. Dr. Vivienne Graham leads hte effort to build a covert containment and research facility around the dormant creature. Her classified field notes contain a mysterious footnote: "The devil has three heads."

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The plot on this one is a doozy. It's about humanity having fled the Earth in ark ships after losing a 50 year war against Kaiju, now returning to try and retake a world that's been ruled by Godzilla for 20,000 years.

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Looks vicious, looks damaged, and most of all, it looks like they're really promoting being able to see the monster more than just hiding him in the shadows like Godzilla (2014).

Directors: Hideaki Anno, Shinji Higuchi
Production company: Toho Co., Ltd.
Music composed by: Shiro Sagisu
Written by: Hideaki Anno
Starring:
Hiroki Hasegawa
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I was ultimately disappointed by the US movie because of the many reasons others have articulated since the movie came out. As more information gets released, I'll be sure to keep this thread up. That being said, the fact that this is written by Anno gets me excited and a little apprehensive. I doubt we'll get much Godzilla introspection but you can expect some excellent visuals and controversy over themes presented by this film.

I guess this might be why we haven't seen Evangelion 3.0 + 1.0 yet. He's been busy getting his Kaiju game on! That and this little tidbit from the end of the Wiki article:

In late March 2016, it was announced that Toho's Godzilla and Anno's Evangelion intellectual properties will form a "maximum collaboration" for merchandise in April 2016.[25]

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This looks amazing and I cannot wait. But I highly disagree with your opinion of Godzilla 14. Edwards did a superb job of building up suspense and the slow burn paid off. That Godzilla was a force of nature and I think even more screen time would have cheapened it. At least in his first movie.

We are probably going to get more action if the rumors of Mothra, Rodan and King Ghidorah are in the next.

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Stupid question but someone had a chart or something in the previous Godzilla thread comparing the heights of various versions of Godzilla. How big is this one supposed to be? In the wide shot he looks enormous, towering over buildings and stuff. Is that typical? I thought the 2014 one was supposed to be bigger what they usually do with the character.

Intense trailer, I can't wait. The only thing that worries me is about the effects is how smoothly they can have him moving if they're going to roll with him being in broad daylight/etc. regularly. I LOOOOOOVE the molten skin thing, it's awesome looking.

I loved Godzilla 2014 for a lot of reasons that also were already talked about at length when it came out, this looks rad as hell too.

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The red glow looks kind of like Godzilla vs Destroyah. I wonder if they'll re-use "Godzilla is melting down and will contaminate everything"? Although that would make shooting all the guns while he's in the middle of a city a little silly.

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Do not show your Godzilla-crazed five year old the trailer to a new Godzilla movie that neither he nor his dad even knew was coming right before bedtime.

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The red glow looks kind of like Godzilla vs Destroyah. I wonder if they'll re-use "Godzilla is melting down and will contaminate everything"? Although that would make shooting all the guns while he's in the middle of a city a little silly.

I know nothing about either these directors (free online porn cartoons) or the Godzilla franchise, so take this with a grain of salt. There is one shot of disaster footage in the trailer that really reminded me of post-2011 tsunami pictures. Godzilla being a walking Fukushima seems sort of an obvious route to go at this point in time. The military being really prepared but ultimately useless could be an Abe criticism, or just following Godzilla conventions.

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Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Godzilla 2014 the first two times I watched it. I was the biggest fan as a kid and wasn't surprised by the fact that Godzilla was a hero or anything.

I think my third viewing soured things a bit when I started letting Aaron Taylor Johnson's plot get to me and the criticisms of the movie itself started becoming apparent. I still like the movie and hope for more US Godzilla movies. In the end, I just didn't absolutely adore the movie as I thought I could have.

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I disagree with your feelings on Godzilla 2014 because of the many reasons others have articulated since the criticisms came out.

I'll revisit and look at the reasons others have articulated about the criticisms. Its a valid point and I haven't really thought about the movie since I just saw this trailer this afternoon.

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Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Godzilla 2014 the first two times I watched it. I was the biggest fan as a kid and wasn't surprised by the fact that Godzilla was a hero or anything.

I think my third viewing soured things a bit when I started letting Aaron Taylor Johnson's plot get to me and the criticisms of the movie itself started becoming apparent. I still like the movie and hope for more US Godzilla movies. In the end, I just didn't absolutely adore the movie as I thought I could have.


I'll revisit and look at the reasons others have articulated about the criticisms. Its a valid point and I haven't really thought about the movie since I just saw this trailer this afternoon.

You shouldn't adore movies, you should criticize them. Movies aren't supposed to be perfect, they're art. Every movie you see is a bunch of videos some people took of other people and stuff. Your parents did that to you when you were a child, maybe.

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I know nothing about either these directors (misa death note porn) or the Godzilla franchise, so take this with a grain of salt. There is one shot of disaster footage in the trailer that really reminded me of post-2011 tsunami pictures. Godzilla being a walking Fukushima seems sort of an obvious route to go at this point in time. The military being really prepared but ultimately useless could be an Abe criticism, or just following Godzilla conventions.

Well those are definitely things you could make a Godzilla movie about. Especially the Abe thing.

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meanwhile, wow has the look of Godzilla in the new one grown on me. The poster gives him googly eye and that bugs me, but the rotting flesh is pretty great. Are we dealing with the zombie corpse of the first Godzilla? Also am I remembering early press correctly and the costume is, for the first time, a mixture of suitmation and CGI?

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We are probably going to get more action if the rumors of Mothra, Rodan and King Ghidorah are in the next.

Godzilla is not a force of nature Godamnit! he is very explicitly a manmade force! the 2014 movie isn't a godzilla movie (it's a fine film but not a godzilla movie) it's a natural disaster flick where a lizard shaped hurricane comes in and kills some monsters.

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Godzilla 2014 tends to follow the logic of mankind can influence/wake up the monsters but not necessarily control them right? That sort of reflects our interactions with the global environment right now. We can heat up the planet, but we don't really want too and find it hard to stop. There's a lot of fair criticisms of Godzilla 2014 but the force of nature argument doesn't seem like one.

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In Tokyo, Okamura realizes by looking at pictures that the monster he saw was a new Godzilla. Maki writes an article about the account, but the news of Godzilla's return is kept secret and his article is withheld. Maki visits Professor Hayashida, whose parents were lost in the 1954 Godzilla attack. Hayashida describes Godzilla as a living, invincible nuclear weapon able to cause mass destruction. At Hayashida's laboratory, Maki meets Okamura's sister, Naoko, and informs her that her brother is alive and at the police hospital.

A Soviet submarine is destroyed in the Pacific. The Soviets believe the attack was perpetrated by the Americans, and a diplomatic crisis ensues, which threatens to escalate into nuclear war.

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In Gojira he was just a dinosaur that was woken up/pissed off because of the nuclear weapon testing, but he wasn't created by it.

Short of Godzilla vs. King Ghidora giving Godzilla that origin story as a much smaller "Godzillasaurus" on an island somewhere that gets mutated to be huge I don't know of any other Japanese film where radiation is specifically the cause of his origin.

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Short of Godzilla vs. King Ghidora giving Godzilla that origin story as a much smaller "Godzillasaurus" on an island somewhere that gets mutated to be huge I don't know of any other Japanese film where radiation is specifically the cause of his origin.

The 1998 Matthew Broderick film is explicitly that though.

nuclear weapons were his origin, he was created by it.

Godzilla's attack mirrors the same horrors the Japanese experienced near the end of World War II, with the Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Producer Tomoyuki Tanaka stated that, "The theme of the film, from the beginning, was the terror of the bomb. Mankind had created the bomb, and now nature was going to take revenge on mankind."[11] Director Ishirō Honda filmed Godzilla's rampage on Tokyo with the mentality that the monster's onslaught was a parallel to, and a physical manifestation of, an Atom bomb attack. He stated, "If Godzilla had been a dinosaur or some other animal, he would have been killed by just one cannonball. But if he were equal to an atomic bomb, we wouldn't know what to do. So, I took the characteristics of an atomic bomb and applied them to Godzilla."[11]

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In Tokyo, Okamura realizes by looking at pictures that the monster he saw was a new Godzilla. Maki writes an article about the account, but the news of Godzilla's return is kept secret and his article is withheld. Maki visits Professor Hayashida, whose parents were lost in the 1954 Godzilla attack. Hayashida describes Godzilla as a living, invincible nuclear weapon able to cause mass destruction. At Hayashida's laboratory, Maki meets Okamura's sister, Naoko, and informs her that her brother is alive and at the police hospital.

A Soviet submarine is destroyed in the Pacific. The Soviets believe the attack was perpetrated by the Americans, and a diplomatic crisis ensues, which threatens to escalate into nuclear war.

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The 1954 Godzilla is an apex predator that is woken up by a bomb. Metaphorically, the creature represents Serizawa's research into the Oxygen Destroyer.

The 1984 Godzilla is an apex predator woken up by an undersea volcanic eruption. Metaphorically, the creature represents a generalized sense of malaise.

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You are basing these assertions on a mix of wikipedia articles and fantasies.

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The 'Oxygen Destroyer' is not a bomb, and the monster does not represent it.

The monster in the film represents pure drive - in this case the scientific drive to pursue knowledge for its own sake, regardless of the consequences.

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and yeah the two are the same, A thing which becomes a weapon and must be destroyed

However, in a more accurate sense, it isn't a bomb at all and you are unconcerned with whether what you are writing is true.

The Godzilla of 1954 had been worshiped as a pagan demon-god for untold centuries before the existence of nuclear weapons.

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