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Feb 19, 2004

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I hit a problem with my new build, so I think I'm going to have to bounce some ideas off of here

I installed and plugged everything in and while it turns on I can't get video out of it and/or any indication it's actually booting. When I turn it on, the fans spin up including the CPU fan but that's about all it does. It doesn't beep, but the power LED does blink periodically, e.g. solid on except a blink about every 2 seconds. The drive LED doesn't do anything (not entirely unexpected - it is blank). Happens with either the onboard HDMI or DVI ports. Looking around with some searches I can't find anything that suggests what this means and ASRock's support hasn't gotten back to me yet. They have a "dr debug" decoder but I think it only gives you those codes once it's booted?

Got an i5-6600, asrock H170M ITX/ac, GSkill DDR4 2133 and EVGA 650GS.

AFAICT all the power cables are securely in. I've done everything possible with the memory - swap both sticks, use either stick only, and no sticks.

Anything I might have missed?

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So i'm looking to put together a new gaming PC after not owning one since Ivy Bridge and I've got a couple of potentially dumb questions. I generally keep up with CPUs and storage (as they're relevant to my job) but I'm way out of the loop on video cards, monitors, cases and even Windows (I haven't run Windows as my primary OS since my previous Ivy Bridge desktop died).

1) Is overclocking with a 'K' CPU really as simple as load EFI menu, uptick multiplier? I seem to remember a long while back (maybe before the K series was a thing) that overclocking involved disabling frequency scaling (leading to significantly higher idle power consumption/heat generation)- is this just my brain playing tricks on me? If not, is it still relevant today? I'm generally planning on keeping this machine powered off unless I'm actively using it, but I don't want make my office an inferno if I have to leave it on to download a patch overnight or something.
2) Is it crazy of me to want to build the system now and suffer with onboard graphics until the new generation of Nvidia cards drops this summer? I do have some low-power/vintage games that would probably do fine on integrated that I'm interested in playing to tide me over.

1.) You can definitely pop into the bios and just up the multiplier. Source: I am on a 4670k that has been running at 4.7ghz for two years now.

2.) You can do that, sure. So long as you're keeping yourself to simple poo poo and old games, it likely won't be too much of a problem.

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My graphics card is dying. Should I just get a new graphics card (and which one? Something strong for gaming. Budget around ~250 is OK.) Or should I build a new PC at this point?

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So i'm looking to put together a new gaming PC after not owning one since Ivy Bridge and I've got a couple of potentially dumb questions. I generally keep up with CPUs and storage (as they're relevant to my job) but I'm way out of the loop on video cards, monitors, cases and even Windows (I haven't run Windows as my primary OS since my previous Ivy Bridge desktop died).

1) Is overclocking with a 'K' CPU really as simple as load EFI menu, uptick multiplier? I seem to remember a long while back (maybe before the K series was a thing) that overclocking involved disabling frequency scaling (leading to significantly higher idle power consumption/heat generation)- is this just my brain playing tricks on me? If not, is it still relevant today? I'm generally planning on keeping this machine powered off unless I'm actively using it, but I don't want make my office an inferno if I have to leave it on to download a patch overnight or something.
2) Is it crazy of me to want to build the system now and suffer with onboard graphics until the new generation of Nvidia cards drops this summer? I do have some low-power/vintage games that would probably do fine on integrated that I'm interested in playing to tide me over.

1). Pretty much. Maybe raise the voltage if it isn't stable at whatever multiplier. Though newer BIOSes even have a "PRESS THIS TO OVERCLOCK" button that bumps it up 400-500 Mhz without a hassle.

2). Not really, but you CAN buy an EVGA graphics card now and use their Step-up program to upgrade to the new stuff when it comes out, and just pay the difference.

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just get a new card. Ideally wait until June for Nvidia's new cards to come out.

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Your current computer is fine, you should just get a new video card, however you should wait until at least this friday, Nvidia is making some sort of announcement and I would not be surprised if they drop the GTX 1060, 1070 & 1080 on our collective heads out of the blue.

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1) Is overclocking with a 'K' CPU really as simple as load EFI menu, uptick multiplier?
Sort of. It's also sort of even simpler. My i5 6600K overclocked to 3.9GHz without me even touching the BIOS. I had to go in and change things to get it up to where it is now, but as you said, it's literally just tweaking one setting (and the voltage if necessary).

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Looking to buy CPU, motherboard, GPU and an SSD. Not bothered about overclocking (but if the price difference is small might as well be capable of it I guess?) I'm also going to grab a new optical drive but that's not exactly expensive, and probably a new keyboard - I currently have a cheap nobrand POS keyboard that hasn't died yet, but I wouldn't mind something a little nicer. I'm not aiming for massive performance, just a decent upgrade.

Is it worth going for Skylake and DDR4, if I already have sufficient new-ish DDR3 for now? Or would I be better served sticking with an older processor and my existing memory?

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I installed and plugged everything in and while it turns on I can't get video out of it and/or any indication it's actually booting. When I turn it on, the fans spin up including the CPU fan but that's about all it does. It doesn't beep, but the power LED does blink periodically, e.g. solid on except a blink about every 2 seconds. The drive LED doesn't do anything (not entirely unexpected - it is blank). Happens with either the onboard HDMI or DVI ports. Looking around with some searches I can't find anything that suggests what this means and ASRock's support hasn't gotten back to me yet. They have a "dr debug" decoder but I think it only gives you those codes once it's booted?

Got an i5-6600, asrock H170M ITX/ac, GSkill DDR4 2133 and EVGA 650GS.

AFAICT all the power cables are securely in. I've done everything possible with the memory - swap both sticks, use either stick only, and no sticks.

Anything I might have missed?

Do you know that your mobo speaker is properly plugged in? I'd have never been able to troubleshoot my problems without the BIOS codes. If you have to order one they are five dollars well spent.

I notice you have an mITX board. I've seen a few failures on those due to the RAM not being entirely seated. It looks like it is, but you really need to put it in there with some force. I had this problem too.

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Thunderbolt 3 support comes by way of some MB's that have a USB-C connector already.

Does anyone have a board they can recommend? His gear only needs TB2 at the moment, but I think future proofing with 3 would be a good idea. There are adapters that are supposed to start shipping within a month to go from TB3 to 1/2.

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Looking to buy CPU, motherboard, GPU and an SSD. Not bothered about overclocking (but if the price difference is small might as well be capable of it I guess?) I'm also going to grab a new optical drive but that's not exactly expensive, and probably a new keyboard - I currently have a cheap nobrand POS keyboard that hasn't died yet, but I wouldn't mind something a little nicer. I'm not aiming for massive performance, just a decent upgrade.

Is it worth going for Skylake and DDR4, if I already have sufficient new-ish DDR3 for now? Or would I be better served sticking with an older processor and my existing memory?

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1) I went for the i5-6600k here because the price difference between an overclocking build and a normal one was like £30-£40, at that point it makes more sense to just overclock, especially considering you already have a good CPU cooler that will let you get an overclock to 4.6-4.7GHz easily. Overclocking these days is dead simple, to the point where you can just tell your motherboard to OC your CPU and it will do it for you, after that you just need to do some stability tests and if it crashes dial down the OC by 100MHz or so.
2) I went with this motherboard because it's cheap and MSI makes good stuff, it should have everything you need.
3) For RAM I went with this set of DDR4-3000, the extra speed makes a real difference these days and the price difference is very minor.
4) For the SSD I went with an 850 EVO, it's a very fast, very reliable drive, I would have liked to go for a larger one but that would put you even further out of your budget.
5) I went with a GTX 960 for the video card since you want power efficiency. It should be able to handle newer games at medium-high settings/1080p/50-60FPS. However you should wait to buy on this part because Nvidia has some sort of event this Friday where they may announce their new line up of cards, if it does not happen then it will happen at Computex at the end of this month. With the announcement of new cards we may see price drops on the current stuff or they might even have the new cards on sale in a week or two, at this point it's all up in the air and it's worth waiting to see what happens.
6) For the keyboard I went with this one because it's built like a tank, I could see it lasting for ten or more years, I have one myself and it has improved both my typing speed and accuracy by a pretty significant margin. If you don't want to spend this much than I would honestly say you should just stick with your cheap keyboard and get a replacement cheap-o one when it dies on you, I have had multiple non-mechanical keyboards over the years and none of them have been significantly better or worse than each other.

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Since we can actually have someone edit the OP now, here's some stuff I noticed in the first post that needs updating:

- Questions 8 and 9 still recommend Haswell
- Question 14 should talk about DDR4 and about how you should buy 3000-3200 MHz according to current data (slim as it may be). It should also mention that you need the Z170 chipset to take advantage of it, so the cheapest RAM you can find is correct for other chipsets
- The motherboard thread linked in question 15 is archived and probably no longer useful
- Question 21 should just tell you to get OEM Windows 10 or whatever version of it you're supposed to buy now

The second post more or less already addresses this but it'd be nice to have the consistency. Great to have a new thread!

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The CPU section recommends a 6600 for non-overclocking, not a 6500 (which is the price/performance sweet spot last I checked). Intentional?

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Thanks for redoing this thread!

Only thing I would mention was the Killer Ethernet thing. I questioned it last thread and was told it was fine as long as you don't install the 'special software' for it and just use the default drivers. A lot of ITX boards use it (I have one) and have no issues with it.

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Great job on the OP! Here is a little feedback: I think most goons here would agree the 390X is a better value than the GTX 980. It might be worth it to put a note next to the 980 that they are better off with a 970, 980 TI, or 390X.

I put the AMD cards first in the two highest categories because they do probably offer the better performance for their price.

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Cool. Now that I look at it again, maybe remove the bit in question 8 about how a "Z motherboard with a non-K CPU is a waste of money"? I'm still not sure how much sense it makes to buy a locked CPU and a Z170 motherboard just for fast RAM but it's a consideration now where it wasn't with Haswell.

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Looking at the manual for the Asus Z170 ~*Pro Gaming*~, all of the DDR4 3200 configurations they qualified were 4x4GB. They seem to favor this configuration over 2x8GB in nearly all the ram sets they list as being qualified. The marketing page also mentions: "Second-generation ASUS T-Topology enables DDR4 memory overclocking to reach new heights: over DDR4-3400MHz with all memory slots populated."

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e: also read this on the asrock extreme4 manual, where they go the other way:

They were going the same way with the "all memory slots populated" comment - they were advertising the speeds you can get in the worst case overclocking scenario.

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They were going the same way with the "all memory slots populated" comment - they were advertising the speeds you can get in the worst case overclocking scenario.

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Yeah, I eventually deduced that after looking at the ASUS supported memory table some more. They have fields that say whether they support 2 or 4 dimm configs and some of the cards only support 2 dimm configs, so it looks like they were probably qualifying 4x4GB as a worst case scenario like you pointed out.

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Huh. They decoupled the RAM speed restriction from the CPU? I thought that was part of the bclk thing.

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My motherboard is the Asus Z9PA-D8. I am soooooo excited to build this. To me this is like a 15+ year dream come true.

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Wish me luck!


Vvvvvvv: its for machine learning stuff in python, which absolutely can use all those cores. I am planning to put a Pascal on it (or a discount Titan) and learn how to do deep learning as well.

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I really want to know what you're planning on doing with 16 watercooled cores and a GPU from the mid-late 2000s.

Well, whatever it is, we know it needs all the CPU power and doesn't give a poo poo about GPU acceleration.

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Yeah, it I wasn't primarily using my i7-3820 for gaming, I'd drop one of those in instead. Hell, I'm considering it regardless.

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Hmmm, your budget is too low to do what you want here, here is a build I made, it's about as low as I could get it:

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Anyway, I hope that helps out, feel free to ask any questions if you need to.

Gonna pass on the keyboard for now and look at that later.

2x8GB of the same brand/same speed RAM is only about £20 more than the 2x4GB - might as well spend that bit. I'm chucking an optical drive in as well (for the extortion sum of £14...)
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It seems a 4GB GTX960 (or a 4GB R9 380) are only another £20-30 than the card you suggested too - would that be worthwhile?
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So I know the answer is to buy something that isn't super old, but I've been curious. I have a machine with a core2 duo E6750 in it paired up with a 960. Some games I can play fine, albeit at lower settings. A few seem fluid, but are going in slow motion. Is the chip just to old to deal with it? I could play fallout 4 fairly well, but dark souls isn't happening for sure.

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Yeah, I eventually deduced that after looking at the ASUS supported memory table some more. They have fields that say whether they support 2 or 4 dimm configs and some of the cards only support 2 dimm configs, so it looks like they were probably qualifying 4x4GB as a worst case scenario like you pointed out.

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So I know the answer is to buy something that isn't super old, but I've been curious. I have a machine with a core2 duo E6750 in it paired up with a 960. Some games I can play fine, albeit at lower settings. A few seem fluid, but are going in slow motion. Is the chip just to old to deal with it? I could play fallout 4 fairly well, but dark souls isn't happening for sure.

Your chip is too old and dual core, You should be able to get 60 FPS at medium settings on FO4 with a 960 and a new Mobo/CPU/RAM, probably a new PSU too and an SSD if you don't have one already. Here is a quick build:

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So I know the answer is to buy something that isn't super old, but I've been curious. I have a machine with a core2 duo E6750 in it paired up with a 960. Some games I can play fine, albeit at lower settings. A few seem fluid, but are going in slow motion. Is the chip just to old to deal with it? I could play fallout 4 fairly well, but dark souls isn't happening for sure.

Yeah, a dual core under 3GHz is pretty low end at this point. If you're wanting to get more mileage out of that system instead of invest in a new one, you should probably check and see if your motherboard supports a Core 2 Quad. At this point you can find all but the highest-end models on eBay for pretty cheap, and a Q9400 for example would basically be two of your current processor as a drop-in replacement for $25-30. Make sure you have something better than the stock C2D cooler if you do this, since most of the Quads are 95W instead of 65W and it won't be sufficient.

You won't be able to get top-end performance without at least a quad core from the last few generations, but the 960 is a fairly modest graphics card anyway so pairing it with a Core 2 Quad won't waste all that much potential if you'd rather wait.

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1. Upgraded your CPU cooler to the better H7 for $10 more.
2. Maximus mobos are generally way overkill in most cases. Swapped it out to, a more sensible, but still good Z170 ASRock one.
3. EVGA's NEX PSUs aren't great. Swapped it out for their much better GS line, for an extra $3.
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Who calls it looping? It's called water cooling. Its expensive, and only worthwhile if you're going to heavily overclock high end parts. Most of the time you're better off spending what you would have spent on watercooling parts on just getting higher end parts to begin with.

The easiest way is to use flexible tubing, but those who are really dedicated will do it with hard plastic or glass, and have 90 degree metal fittings and such. You have to do research on where you can mount your radiators, reservoirs and pumps. If you haven't even messed around with closed loop water cooling, then you'll probably be in over your head. As the TDP of processors and graphics cards keep going down, we'll probably see less of a need for watercooling, but conversely a higher overclocking ceiling.

I think the EK bnrand are the most popular ones now. For shits and giggles, I priced a waterblock for my GPU, it costs $114 dollars. Then you'd need need a waterblock for your CPU. Then a radiator, pump, reservoir, tubing. Also fluid. Then there's a lot of work that goes into getting your system actually going.

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Your chip is too old and dual core, You should be able to get 60 FPS at medium settings on FO4 with a 960 and a new Mobo/CPU/RAM, probably a new PSU too and an SSD if you don't have one already. Here is a quick build:

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Yeah, a dual core under 3GHz is pretty low end at this point. If you're wanting to get more mileage out of that system instead of invest in a new one, you should probably check and see if your motherboard supports a Core 2 Quad. At this point you can find all but the highest-end models on eBay for pretty cheap, and a Q9400 for example would basically be two of your current processor as a drop-in replacement for $25-30. Make sure you have something better than the stock C2D cooler if you do this, since most of the Quads are 95W instead of 65W and it won't be sufficient.

You won't be able to get top-end performance without at least a quad core from the last few generations, but the 960 is a fairly modest graphics card anyway so pairing it with a Core 2 Quad won't waste all that much potential if you'd rather wait.

Great, thanks guys. Looks like my board is compatible with the quad cores so I grabbed a q9400 for $25 hopefully it can carry me for a little while longer until I can replace the motherboard, chip, ram etc. I Pushed the 6750 up to just shy of 3.0 Ghz, maybe I can juice a bit more out of the 9400 as well.

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