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What's the thought on 'looping', that thing where you cut, bend & fit tubes that let weird liquids flow through the machine. I've been looking at lots of builds and that seems way more interesting than just tossing a bunch of components into a case -- it looks like it takes planning, engineering and practice. Has anyone done this for their build and if so, any good resources for beginners? Or is it generally regarded as the PC equivalent of putting rims on a Civic.

Doing a custom water cooling loop is a lot of work and the returns are not all that great until you are using very high end setups like triple SLI/CF where the extra cooling really matters, it's more of a hobby, you do it because you think it's cool and you enjoy the reward of making something. As for resources on custom loops I will direct you to naked women playing twister Jay knows his way around high end water cooling an has done a ton of tutorial and build videos so his channel is a good resource for this sort of thing.

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I've built in both the Nanoxia DS4 and the Fractal Design Define Mini. I'd highly recommend the Define Mini.

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I've built in both the Nanoxia DS4 and the Fractal Design Define Mini. I'd highly recommend the Define Mini.

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Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Micro Center)
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Monitor: Asus VN248H-P 23.8" Monitor ($110.98 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master Devastator II Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($29.99 @ Micro Center)
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I'm about to pull the trigger and purchase the above parts and get assembling. This will be my first computer assembly, and I'm bit nervous that I'll be completely out of my element once all the parts arrive. I've been looking at a bunch of video tutorials in preparation, but are there any "first time" recommendations or advice to give? I'm mostly worried about installing the CPU and the above network adapter.

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CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Amazon)
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Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Thermaltake SMART 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro OEM (64-bit) ($89.91 @ Amazon)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($32.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VN248H-P 23.8" Monitor ($110.98 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master Devastator II Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($29.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $1096.49

I'm about to pull the trigger and purchase the above parts and get assembling. This will be my first computer assembly, and I'm bit nervous that I'll be completely out of my element once all the parts arrive. I've been looking at a bunch of video tutorials in preparation, but are there any "first time" recommendations or advice to give? I'm mostly worried about installing the CPU and the above network adapter.

You might want to hold off until this Friday, Nvidia is expected to announce their new video cards then so your build might change.

The NIC is dead easy to install, basically just like a video card. As for the CPU just make sure to drop it in evenly, don't put one edge in first or anything like that, the danger there is messing up the little pins in the socket but that is hard to do as long as you are careful, also when you first open the socket look at the pins and make sure that they all look uniform and even, if there is a bent pin then close the socket back up and get an exchange ASAP.

Really the worst part about building is stuff like hooking up the front I/O, cable management and dealing with all the bullshit that Windows can throw at you on a fresh install.

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Down grade the ram speed or get a z170 chipset mother board. The h170 won't be able to do anything but down clock the ram.

Not really necessary, DDR4-2400 and 2133 are the same price or within cents of each other most of the time.

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Doing a custom water cooling loop is a lot of work and the returns are not all that great until you are using very high end setups like triple SLI/CF where the extra cooling really matters, it's more of a hobby, you do it because you think it's cool and you enjoy the reward of making something. As for resources on custom loops I will direct you to people having sex hardcore Jay knows his way around high end water cooling an has done a ton of tutorial and build videos so his channel is a good resource for this sort of thing.

That's great, thanks. I know it's kind of cart-in-front-of-horse but it looks fun to try

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Yeah, as long as you understand that it's not going to yield some sort of huge performance boost and that the main reason for doing it is because it's cool and putting together the loop is fun feel free to go for it. It will cost you though, I have parted out full system loops before and you are looking at around $720 for a loop for the CPU and GPU, larger systems with multiple radiators, GPU blocks, VRM cooling and so on go up in cost, I would expect to spend $2000 on a larger setup like a dual loop for a really high end system.

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Right now I'm leaning towards the MSI board because the features seem similar to the Asus but a little bit cheaper.

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1) I changed out the CPU cooler for an AIO watercooler, it's still white, it will perform better and I think it looks better since you can see the mobo details much better without the giant HSF getting in the way.
2) I think you should go with the Asus Z170-PRO for the motherboard, it has better VRM heatsinking and I think it will look a lot better with the rear I/O stuff covered up.
3) I changed out the RAM for some faster stuff, it's silver so it should mesh with everything else well, it will also match Nvidia's reference cooler well if you can't find a black and white card to use.
4) I changed out the SSD for a better one, the 850 EVO is faster and at least as reliable, it's black so it will contrast well against the white of the case I picked here.
5) For the case I went with the NZXT H440, it's a very nice case and the black and white version is very classy looking, the SSD can mount on top of the PSU shroud, the case also has very clean cable management so it will look really nice with the full build inside. It's also a sound dampened case so it will make for a very quiet system.
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I've pretty much decided on going with a quiet PC case. I woke up late yesterday morning the only thing I could hear was my PC.

The be quiet! case, either 600 or 800, seems to be the best atm, but I'm looking around at other silent options. Anyone have opinions on the NZXT quiet cases? free drunk chick porn I really like the looks internally, but if it isn't as good at silencing the system, I'd probably just go with the be quiet! case. Any other suggestions are great too.

The best ones overall are the Fractal Design Define R5 and NZXT H440, the be quiet! ones are pretty good but have some questionable design choices so I would rank them lower overall. I will note that there is only so much you can do about loud components in the system, for instance even the best sound dampening case won't do much for something like a reference blower R9 290 at full blast.

EDIT: Almost forgot to mention, the NZXT H440 got an update a little while back and now the drive caddies have been improved for drive mounting on both sides, the fan hub is now a PWM fan hub and a number of other improvements, if you plan to use a top mounted radiator I think it's the best silent case choice right now.

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1) I changed out the CPU cooler for an AIO watercooler, it's still white, it will perform better and I think it looks better since you can see the mobo details much better without the giant HSF getting in the way.
2) I think you should go with the Asus Z170-PRO for the motherboard, it has better VRM heatsinking and I think it will look a lot better with the rear I/O stuff covered up.
3) I changed out the RAM for some faster stuff, it's silver so it should mesh with everything else well, it will also match Nvidia's reference cooler well if you can't find a black and white card to use.
4) I changed out the SSD for a better one, the 850 EVO is faster and at least as reliable, it's black so it will contrast well against the white of the case I picked here.
5) For the case I went with the NZXT H440, it's a very nice case and the black and white version is very classy looking, the SSD can mount on top of the PSU shroud, the case also has very clean cable management so it will look really nice with the full build inside. It's also a sound dampened case so it will make for a very quiet system.
6) I changed out the PSU for a better one, it has black sleeved cables so those should look good with everything else, it's also fully-modular and just a much nicer PSU in general for about the same price.

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Anyway, I hope that helps out and you end up with a slick looking build.

Thanks for the suggestions on everything, especially the motherboard. I didn't even think about water cooling since I didn't see any white colored ones. Definitely looking into that now. Same with the SSD, I figured I was going to get either an Intel or Samsung in the end. The Ram and the PSU I will keep in mind too.
I think I'm gonna lean towards keeping the case I want. I know its bigger than most cases and pretty loud, but I kinda want the color selectable LED lighting and the LED strip that can be used for it.

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I think I'm gonna lean towards keeping the case I want. I know its bigger than most cases and pretty loud, but I kinda want the color selectable LED lighting and the LED strip that can be used for it.

Also definitely going to be using cable extensions on everything if possible so thanks for that too, I was leaning towards silverstone ones but that looks like the better deal and brand.

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Quick couple of questions for the thread:

1 - Anyone have a good recommendation for an external SSD? I want to get something to back up my files, and I want one that's not too expensive but also won't crap out on me after a year or two.

2 - A while back, my cousin upgraded his graphics card, and he gave me his old GTX460. I know that's not exactly good when compared to some of the latest stuff, but I don't really use my computer for most gaming anyways. The most labor-intensive game I have on Steam is Skyrim. What I want to know is if the 460 is good enough to run stuff like that at at least semi-decent levels of performance. (IE - Like 30fps or so, without any of the high-res graphic mods installed) I would install it to find out, but I don't have a good enough power source for it yet. Has anyone else used one of those before?

No idea on external SSDs, I use a combo of external HDDs and usb flash drives.

Skyrim is pretty old so a 460 should handle it, especially if it's a 1GB version or the 460v2.

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No idea on external SSDs, I use a combo of external HDDs and usb flash drives.

Skyrim is pretty old so a 460 should handle it, especially if it's a 1GB version or the 460v2.
Well, what HDD do you use? I assume the difference between an HDD and an SSD is pretty negligible when it's just an external drive for backup purposes.
Thanks for info on the 460. I've no idea which version it is, all I know is that the serial number says "ENGTX460" on it. I didn't get the box it went with, just a ziplock bag to keep the dust off.

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Well, what HDD do you use? I assume the difference between an HDD and an SSD is pretty negligible when it's just an external drive for backup purposes.
Thanks for info on the 460. I've no idea which version it is, all I know is that the serial number says "ENGTX460" on it. I didn't get the box it went with, just a ziplock bag to keep the dust off.

I use a WD My Book for backups, the Seagate Backup Plus series is good too. No idea on what version of the 460 that is, but it should handle Skyrim ok, it's about the same speed as a GTX 750 1GB and that card could handle older stuff like Skyrim decently. You might need to turn some things down a bit but you should be able to get it running ok.

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1) I changed out the RAM for something a bit cheaper, it's the same speed so it does not really matter.
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The R5 is a good case but it isn't worth the crazy premium that all fractal design cases have in Aus. With the money saved going for a Phanteks P400s or Enthoo Pro M you can fit in a 960/380, which is a large upgrade.

Is that really going to help for a music production machine where I would assume quiet operation is very important? I did not want to assume that they were using closed headphones vs open ones or studio monitors so I figured building towards quiet operation was more important than the video card for GPU accelerated math or something.

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The R5 is a good case but it isn't worth the crazy premium that all fractal design cases have in Aus. With the money saved going for a Phanteks P400s or Enthoo Pro M you can fit in a 960/380, which is a large upgrade.

Thanks for the comment, I'll have to give it some thought - I'm not especially attached to the Fractal Design cases but they did seem to pop up in music rig discussions. Re: GPU upgrade, although it'd be nice to know the potential is there I'm doubtful I'll need the extra oomph for my current purposes.

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