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This is super tiny, but won’t accommodate a pci card. Includes its own PSU.

I've been looking at those. I had an old inwin case years ago and the build quality was great. I guess reusing an old Atx psu isn't as important as size. Thank you!

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Feb 28, 2007
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So, I am working on this build in a Fractal Design Nano S, with a 9600k chip. I was planning on just air cooling it, but I am looking now and between the size of decent CPU coolers, limited space int he case and the fact I would be spending 50-80 on a cooler anyway, I am wondering if it makes more sense to use an AIO.

Can anyone advise on if reasonable AIO's can be had in that price range? Or is the reality that I need to get over 100 for them to be decent? any advice is appreciated.

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So, I am working on this build in a Fractal Design Nano S, with a 9600k chip. I was planning on just air cooling it, but I am looking now and between the size of decent CPU coolers, limited space int he case and the fact I would be spending 50-80 on a cooler anyway, I am wondering if it makes more sense to use an AIO.

Can anyone advise on if reasonable AIO's can be had in that price range? Or is the reality that I need to get over 100 for them to be decent? any advice is appreciated.

A cooler master master liquid 240 lite can be had for 55$ or so, and you won't really get appreciably better performance until you double that. The fans run a little louder than normal for that, but Tom's hardware only clocked it at 40db which is well within "quiet" for me.

Watch out though, there's also a rbg version which is ~15 dollars more, for that money I'd rather just get the biggest noctua I can and be done with it.

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Jun 25, 2007



The nano-s has sufficient room for the biggest, baddest air coolers. It will be tight, but they fit.

If you really want to strap an AIO on to something in there, I suggest the GPU.

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The nano-s has sufficient room for the biggest, baddest air coolers. It will be tight, but they fit.

If you really want to strap an AIO on to something in there, I suggest the GPU.

I have an H200i which is a similar case and I approve. I have a 8086K and a RTX 2080, with a Noctua D15s on the CPU and I’m waiting on the EVGA Hybrid Kits because the GPU’s thermal is the bigger issue!

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Feb 28, 2007
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Thanks for the replies guys. I went ahead and ordered all my stuff except for the GPU, still musing on that one.

I settled on a Be Quiet Dark Rock 4 for the CPU. Once things arrive and get assembled I'll report back with pics. Super excited to get it all together. Thanks again for all the input.

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Aug 22, 2004

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That look like it'll work? I've got 2x4GB of DDR4 already.

The stealth cooler is the max height that fits that case. I wonder how much clearance it has between the top of the fan and the case top panel.
I may use a Noctua low profile cooler instead.

I just want a machine I can code on with a few browser windows open and basic poo poo like FTP clients. The APU should handle basic gaming OK, for the nights I'm in a hotel.

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So with BF5 coming out and actually having a job, I think I want to take advantage of holiday sales to build a new computer. I have had the same huge, black Lian Li case for like 10 years (LxWxH without feet or screws is 19.75 x 8.25 x 19.75 inches). I want something that isn't as much as a visual sink, and probably want to make use of watercooling because my wife and I share a home office and I don't like hearing my fans drone on.

I have been reading this thread a bit and I really dig free teenage girls porn Filthy Monkey's stuff he's been posting the last couple of pages. It doesn't seem like the smallest solution, but I don't need something ultra tiny, just a little smaller would be nice. It doesn't look like they make the Fractal Design Nano S in white, but that's okay. That's what vinyl is for.

So this is what I have so far. Like I said, I have't built a computer in like 10 years so I have got no fuckin' clue. I've never watercooled before either, so I'm kind of flying by the seat of my pants with that.

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This comes out to a little shy of 1700 bucks excluding tax. I figure this is a starting point to have you guys tear apart and help me figure out what works. Ideally I'd like to bring the cost down to around 1400 or so, and I think I'm probably going overboard with watercooling my CPU and having a hybrid GPU as well.

I've never used anything but the cheapest fans, so if I can air cool with nicer, quieter fans that would be great. Also, I'd like to be able to keep that modular sound panel on the top of the case on, if possible.

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You didn't tell us your monitor resolution and refresh rate.

Besides selecting a 2 generation old chip, you're not too far off base. Here's my adjustment. You can also save good money going with 3200 mhz memory for not much loss in performance. I felt the 1070ti was a good cash/performance tradeoff as well. If you go into the build, the graphics card selection is based on a filter that has some 1080's in it. Buy windows in SA-Mart, you may well want some fans as well if quiet is the goal. I like the Be Quiet! Pure Wings as a medium price/performance balance.

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Wonder what the chance is of it hitting that speed. Might have less problem with flare x @c14 3200 for ryzen.

But I'd check benchmarks for that game at the chosen Res before choosing a CPU.

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Aug 20, 2004

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Whoops sorry about that. I have an naruto lady tsunade porn. It's not fancy, and I'm bad at video games anyway so I know my monitor isn't holding me back. I used to use my 720p TV as a monitor, which is why my system worked for so long, because I was running everything on such a low resolution.

So, 1920x1080 native @ 60 Hz. I posted a bit in the GPU thread and I came to the conclusion that I don't want to delve into 4K right now, and with a 1080 Ti and a 2080 about the same price, I think I'm going to go with the 2080. I think this will allow me to jump to 1440p, 140 Hz if I decide to (which I will probably do after the new year, I want to kind of do this in phases.)

I'll play with my partspicker thing now that I'm not phone posting and take a look. Thank you for the feedback, I'm so fuckin' out of the game it's daunting.

Edit: The 2080 ups the price a bit but with a phased build it won't be too bad. I can watch and look for deals.

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Feb 28, 2007
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I'm building in a Nano S now (ordered stuff Thursday). It was suggested to me in this thread to use an sfx PSU and an adapter, as the clearance between the PSU and GPU is really tight if you use a full size PSU.

I chose to go that route and you might consider it yourself. Keep an eye one your total power consumption though, as you can only get so large an sfx PSU.

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I'm building in a Nano S now (ordered stuff Thursday). It was suggested to me in this thread to use an sfx PSU and an adapter, as the clearance between the PSU and GPU is really tight if you use a full size PSU.

I chose to go that route and you might consider it yourself. Keep an eye one your total power consumption though, as you can only get so large an sfx PSU.

Yeah that's a main concern. This is the card I was looking at, straight from EVGA it's $699.

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The faux-Mac look of it is slick. That's probably where i'm going next, because the CPU cooler restrictions of the SG13 are being felt with my non-k i7 8700.

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I'm trying to think about how to build this thing, without removing the top modular sound panel. Does this airflow/card idea work? I don't really want to shell out for water cooling on both the GPU and CPU, and it seems like the CPU would need it more? This card is $700 from EVGA, and it seems like it would be able to remove the shroud on the card in the event of dust and stuff in the fins.

Alternate layout: use a full 280mm cooler for the CPU, and put an intake fan on the bottom of the case as close to the blower fan as I can get, to draft right into the card. It looks like a fan can be mounted on the bottom there.

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I don't really want to shell out for water cooling on both the GPU and CPU, and it seems like the CPU would need it more?
I think it's the opposite, GPUs with 120mm radiators outperform every air cooled GPU due to size and weight limitations on the card (and a blower is the worst GPU cooling you can get). Whereas larger CPU coolers easily outperform 120 and 140mm radiators.

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I think it's the opposite, GPUs with 120mm radiators outperform every air cooled GPU due to size and weight limitations on the card (and a blower is the worst GPU cooling you can get). Whereas larger CPU coolers easily outperform 120 and 140mm radiators.

I'm not familiar with water cooling GPUs, would there even be enough room in there? I like the Nano S because its a pretty good size (I don't need ultra tiny), but I'd just be worried about fitting a PSU and card and cooling block and cpu cooler all in that vertical space.

Maybe I should look into another mini ITX case?

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Maybe? There are examples of people using AIOs for the CPU, the GPU or both on PCPartPicker (though none of the 20xx hybrids are out yet afaik):



I'm 90% sure that a blower cooler is still worse than open air cooling even with an ATX PSU blocking some of the airflow.

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I'm not familiar with water cooling GPUs, would there even be enough room in there? I like the Nano S because its a pretty good size (I don't need ultra tiny), but I'd just be worried about fitting a PSU and card and cooling block and cpu cooler all in that vertical space.
I built a custom loop in a Nano S. There's plenty of room, though I'm using a pretty small reservoir.



I put the radiator exhausting out the top which causes the fans to overlap the memory sockets, but apart from having to remove the fan if I need to swap out the modules it's not a huge problem.

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Jun 25, 2007



Neat watercooling setup. I've never really messed with it, but I can appreciate the results from those who do.

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I would love to setup something like that for my computer too, but the H200i is not the best designed case for a full water cooling setup. I would only be able to have one radiator on it, because I don't think I could get a 120 to fit on the top or back.

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Is a setup like that fairly quiet? I wouldn't want to open the top panel of the Nano S for noise control reasons, so that's why I wasn't considering two large radiators. If that's not an issue, I would shell out for nice quiet fans and do something like that. Is it a lot more complicated than like those one piece AIO setups?

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It's pretty quiet. One of the main advantages is that the radiator is really efficient it so it doesn't need a lot of airflow. The fans run at about 40% speed at full load which is audible but not loud.

It's definitely a bit trickier to fit than an AIO, but not hard. Do a lot of test fitting and figure out how to route things before you start buying stuff. I bought a whole lot of fittings that ended up unused because I didn't check what I actually needed before I started. I used soft tubing which is pretty easy to work with, just make sure you get the fittings properly seated and tightened on the hoses to avoid leaks.

The only real headache with non-AIO water cooling is you need to drain and replace the liquid occasionally. I've run mine for almost a year and haven't seen any evidence of leaks or algae growth, but I've seen it recommended to drain, flush and replace the coolant at least once a year regardless.

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The faux-Mac look of it is slick. That's probably where i'm going next, because the CPU cooler restrictions of the SG13 are being felt with my non-k i7 8700.

I'm going to put my 2700x into it, with air cooling. And a water cooled gpu with a 140mm rad, if there's enough clearance with an Atx psu.

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Decluttered my SG13 by replacing the SSDs with a M.2 drive. Things look slightly less gross inside because of it. I sort of built myself into a corner because I have a NH-L12S CPU cooler which covers a german girl having sex lot of the ASUS Z370 board I have, and needs to come off entirely so I can unscrew the dumb gaming heatsink ASUS has on top of the M.2 port. I really wish these cases were easier to work in. Or better yet, had something like my old, very un-SFF HAF932, where you could remove part of the panel behind the motherboard to add things on the rear.

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If anyone wants a Fractal Design Define Nano S (non window version) for free + shipping, let me know. I need the closet space and it's boxed up. It's in good shape and all the bits and bobs are inside it. Should be about 14 lbs shipping weight according to Amazon.

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