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Doing some upgrading on an older system I had. Currently the specs are:
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First time running a Corsair AIO cooler. Just did a brief intel burn test and the temps hit 100 C before I shut the test down. Before this I was running an ivy bridge i3 with a Samuel 17 cooler. What the christ is going on here. Idle temps seems to be at 35 C at the moment.

Edit: Ah, I've got the "thin motherboard" issue that is apparently A. Thing. with the H60. Gonna have to put washers on the back plate to take out the slack from the standoff screws. Joy.

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Doing some upgrading on an older system I had. Currently the specs are:
Case: Silverstone sg05
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First time running a Corsair AIO cooler. Just did a brief intel burn test and the temps hit 100 C before I shut the test down. Before this I was running an ivy bridge i3 with a Samuel 17 cooler. What the christ is going on here. Idle temps seems to be at 35 C at the moment.

Edit: Ah, I've got the "thin motherboard" issue that is apparently A. Thing. with the H60. Gonna have to put washers on the back plate to take out the slack from the standoff screws. Joy.

Get a mini GTX 970 or wait for a mini GTX 1070 to become available (probably a few months). Everything else is fine.

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Get a mini GTX 970 or wait for a mini GTX 1070 to become available (probably a few months). Everything else is fine.

Agreed. These were used parts I got off sa-mart as part of an unplanned but happy upgrade. Still haven't gotten the washers yet to get the standoff screws nice and tight. Apparently what happens is with the standoff screws being loose the water block / pump assembly is not as tight as it needs to be for cooling. This is apparently a common thing with those h60's. I had no idea. I wish Corsair would include some optional washers in the package.

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Agreed. These were used parts I got off sa-mart as part of an unplanned but happy upgrade. Still haven't gotten the washers yet to get the standoff screws nice and tight. Apparently what happens is with the standoff screws being loose the water block / pump assembly is not as tight as it needs to be for cooling. This is apparently a common thing with those h60's. I had no idea. I wish Corsair would include some optional washers in the package.

I have the same loose bottom plate on my h60 and asus h97i-plus but the top plate is still nice and tight to the point where the arms on it flex a bit. Idle temps are usually 27-32c. Just throwing in my anecdotal evidence that some play doesn't mean something is wrong.

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What are you shoving into there? Why not a NUC instead?

Well you can't upgrade a NUC's cpu, and the NUC comes out more expensive for the same hardware. Plus with that particular model you can add an aftermarket HSF.

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The more I've looked at cases the more perplexed I've become over what choice to make. I went from the rvz01 to the ftz01 to now wanting a fractal node 304. This would be a lot easier if I didn't want to keep an internal 3.5" hard drive

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The more I've looked at cases the more perplexed I've become over what choice to make. I went from the rvz01 to the ftz01 to now wanting a fractal node 304. This would be a lot easier if I didn't want to keep an internal 3.5" hard drive

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The more I've looked at cases the more perplexed I've become over what choice to make. I went from the rvz01 to the ftz01 to now wanting a fractal node 304. This would be a lot easier if I didn't want to keep an internal 3.5" hard drive

The Node 304 has slots for 6 3.5" drives as I'm sure you know... I personally only have one of the HDD cages (1 of 3, all removable) installed so I could have a full video card but I have a 1TB HDD and a SSD in mine and haven't had any issues whatsoever. It's a very tight case though once you get everything packed into it so that's something to keep in mind.

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Do you just need high end compute performance?

A nice balance between size, performance and cost(in order of importance). Seems like the 5x5 mSTX builds might just fit the bill.

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The Node 304 has slots for 6 3.5" drives as I'm sure you know... I personally only have one of the HDD cages (1 of 3, all removable) installed so I could have a full video card but I have a 1TB HDD and a SSD in mine and haven't had any issues whatsoever. It's a very tight case though once you get everything packed into it so that's something to keep in mind.

From what I can tell it's a lot less packed than the rvz01 or ftz01. I am just going to keep my 1tb ssd and a 6tb WD 3.5" drive for files. A lot of the super small cases (Node 202) don't have any room for a 3.5" drive. I just want it to fit in my TV console eventually.

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I mean, it's great there are this many options.

The SG13b is too meshy for what I'm looking for. The FTZ01 is really the closest thing I've seen so far. If the Node 202 could fit a larger HDD I would buy that.

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From what I can tell it's a lot less packed than the rvz01 or ftz01. I am just going to keep my 1tb ssd and a 6tb WD 3.5" drive for files. A lot of the super small cases (Node 202) don't have any room for a 3.5" drive. I just want it to fit in my TV console eventually.

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I mean, it's great there are this many options.

The SG13b is too meshy for what I'm looking for. The FTZ01 is really the closest thing I've seen so far. If the Node 202 could fit a larger HDD I would buy that.

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The RVZ02 and ML08 fit a 3.5" drive but only if your GPU is less than about 200-210mm long.

I broke the ODD mounting stud off in my RVZ02 and shoved a 3.5" in that space. There's nothing to mount it down and the vibrations are kind of loud, though.

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The only slight fly in the ointment is the Atheros wireless card is not great.

I just used one for a mitx build intended for vr and work, and would recommend it.

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I just used one for a mitx build intended for vr and work, and would recommend it.
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I caved and bought an M1 and it looks fantastic. With regards to temps for SFF, what do you all typically aim for? I got an H105 for liquid cooling because its tubes were flexible and narrow enough to fit, but if I clock my 6700k to 4.7ghz it can get up to 70+ degrees under load, whereas 4.4ghz has it between about 55-60. I'm wondering if I should put on a different paste than what it came with (which I do have), or if I should switch it out to one of those Noctua heatsinks (I have two Noctua fans on the radiator) as people seem to like those for these builds. The GPU seems to get between 65-70ish when in use, but as it's a 1080 I'm not particularly bothered by that. The system is super quiet though, so perhaps I should just leave it as is.

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I caved and bought an M1 and it looks fantastic. With regards to temps for SFF, what do you all typically aim for? I got an H105 for liquid cooling because its tubes were flexible and narrow enough to fit, but if I clock my 6700k to 4.7ghz it can get up to 70+ degrees under load, whereas 4.4ghz has it between about 55-60. I'm wondering if I should put on a different paste than what it came with (which I do have), or if I should switch it out to one of those Noctua heatsinks (I have two Noctua fans on the radiator) as people seem to like those for these builds. The GPU seems to get between 65-70ish when in use, but as it's a 1080 I'm not particularly bothered by that. The system is super quiet though, so perhaps I should just leave it as is.

I'd like to know too. My recent M1 build, using a Noctua NH-U9S on a 6700k at stock (4.2ghz turbo) speeds, averages around 65-70 when under load. My GPU, a 1070 FE, gets to 82-83 under heavy load at stock speeds.

I added a side intake fan in front of the push-pull setup of the CPU cooler, and some intakes on the bottom of the case beneath the GPU. They don't seem to help much.



That's a shot from my current fan layout (excuse the lovely cabling). I moved the 92mm fan from behind the CPU to the bottom of the case, and moved a 120mm fan to the side panel. Overall no configuration seems to make a huge difference.

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I have the same loose bottom plate on my h60 and asus h97i-plus but the top plate is still nice and tight to the point where the arms on it flex a bit. Idle temps are usually 27-32c. Just throwing in my anecdotal evidence that some play doesn't mean something is wrong.

Just to update. Case is a Silverstone SG05 I got some plastic and rubber washers from Lowe's and was able to get all the slack out of the stand off screws for the Corsair H60i. When I unmounted the waterblock from my cpu there was barely an transfer of TIM from the waterblock to cpu. I then reseated the cpu cooler and tried again. Temps were higher than I liked so I took the cooler back off and switched the TIM for some Noctua NT-H1 that I have.

Ambient in the room with the pc is 80 F and cpu is currently idling between 33-44 C. When I did a few minutes of Intel burn test my temps went up to 86 C max. I'm not happy with what I'm seeing but I never did temp tests when I was running an ivy bridge i3 with a Samuel 17 cooler in this system. I'm wondering if this is the best that I'm going to get. I'm almost tempted to put the Samuel cooler and Noctua fan back on to see what temps I get. However, in order to do that I would have to take the case COMPLETELY apart as the front fan is between the front panel and radiator and I would need to swap that back to the Silverstone stock fan.

Edit: Figured it out. Clocked the waterblock another 90 degrees as there is a row of capacitors near the cpu socket. One edge of plastic on the waterblock must have been making contact with the capacitors. Even when I looked at it again it didn't look like they were quite touching, but it was too close not to try. I'm running intel burn test right now and my temps are maxing at 55 C. Which in an enclosure this tight I'm good with that, especially under 100% load. loving finally.

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I have an RVZ01B and need a new GPU. I was previously using a 960 with an ACX 2.0 cooler that, IIRC, was usually 70-75c during peak gaming. I'm looking at either a 480 or a 1070 to get more perf for the same wattage (the 960 was rated for 160W max), but am wondering if I should get a blower-style card this time around, both for better cooling (?) and to make it easier to put the GPU bracket on - it was really tricky to find the right spot so that it would hold the card up without covering either of the fans.

If it matters, I'll have an i5-4590 with the stock cooler on the other side. Noise isn't a huge issue since I couch game and sit 10' from the PC.

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Those are going to have serious implications for SFF and low-profile cooling. Allegedly they can cool much more quietly and in a smaller package than current coolers. Looking forward to reviews when they finally hit.

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I have an RVZ01B and need a new GPU. I was previously using a 960 with an ACX 2.0 cooler that, IIRC, was usually 70-75c during peak gaming. I'm looking at either a 480 or a 1070 to get more perf for the same wattage (the 960 was rated for 160W max), but am wondering if I should get a blower-style card this time around, both for better cooling (?) and to make it easier to put the GPU bracket on - it was really tricky to find the right spot so that it would hold the card up without covering either of the fans.

If it matters, I'll have an i5-4590 with the stock cooler on the other side. Noise isn't a huge issue since I couch game and sit 10' from the PC.

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Have you seen any of Gigabyte's cards with the full water block and all-in-one cooler? They have a 980ti and now a 1080 version coming out soonish.

Thanks, but I'm not interested in going that high, either in power consumption (980ti) or price (1080). Was just wondering which style of cooler works better in the RVZ01 as I saw a couple posts here and there saying that blower-style would work better, but further reading suggests that open-air is actually preferable, as less heat from the GPU gets transferred to the SSD that way.

If I have temp issues with my new GPU after I get it, I'll just add another fan to the GPU compartment - I'm only using the two fans that came with the case right now, one over the CPU and the other on one of the GPU compartment vents.

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Thanks, but I'm not interested in going that high, either in power consumption (980ti) or price (1080). Was just wondering which style of cooler works better in the RVZ01 as I saw a couple posts here and there saying that blower-style would work better, but further reading suggests that open-air is actually preferable, as less heat from the GPU gets transferred to the SSD that way.

If I have temp issues with my new GPU after I get it, I'll just add another fan to the GPU compartment - I'm only using the two fans that came with the case right now, one over the CPU and the other on one of the GPU compartment vents.

I'm curious as to the answer but I can say that my reference 780 Ti works fine in my RVZ01, and that's about as hot a card as you can get. I have the SX500-LG and it's very quiet under load (Vive gaming).

Either way go push-inwards on the GPU fans, and if you have clearance go push-inwards on the CPU fan too. That way you get positive pressure and the hot air gets forced out the louvers. Most of the open coolers work by forcing air downwards over the fins of the heatsink, so by pushing inwards you are helping the cooler fan instead of fighting it.

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I was hoping someone here could recommend me a PSU and 2TB HDD, here's the build I'm considering:
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I was looking at a Coolermaster Vanguard 80+ Gold Full-Modular 550 PSU, and a WD Blue 2TB HDD.

I'm also interested in comments on my other choices except my GPU, because I've already bought that, especially whether its worth getting a Z mobo to host 3200 Hz RAM when I won't be overclocking. This build will be used to run games like modern games, and a bunch of engineering stuff like solidworks, abaqus, and the like.

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