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Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006


Welcome to the Comic Book Animation Thread. In this thread, we get to discuss the like twelve good adaptations of comics, and then the endless sea of poo poo that we’ve experienced for nearly a century.

But first, here is a handy guide to what is on and what is coming.

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The primary thing on TV right now in terms of superheroes is Disney XD’s take on the Marvel Universe. These shows are pretty generic, and I really don’t like them. But here they consist of the following programs:




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Not connected to the film, but it sure wants you to think it is. It’s a pretty alright facsimile of the tone of the movie.




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Not really based on the comic book series, and very up and down in quality. Like Avengers Assemble, each season has its own thing, and the seasons are even named in a similar way to say American Horror Story. The last season was Ultimate Spiderman vs the Sinister Six.

While it focused on Peter, it also features a lot of Miles Morales.




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Sort of an odd-duck, this an offshoot of the direct-to-video movie Gods and Monsters that recasts Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman with different people taking on those roles and a darker world.

Originally, three mini episodes were put up revolving around Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman. A second season was ordered will feature a longer episode order.




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Teen Titans Go is similar to the Teen Titans series from earlier in the century with the same voice cast and similar designs. It abandons any pretense at being an actual superhero story and has none of the pathos of its predecessor.

Instead it’s closer to Regular Show or Adventure Time in tone, but darker than those shows. Honestly, I don’t find the show to really have the heart that makes Cartoon Network’s other tweenish aimed programming work. But it’s worth a few chuckles.




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Just would like to note that the 2009 Wonder Woman animated movie is really good and underappreciated imo. There's like a million Batman-centric animated movies, but only one solely about Wonder Woman. The eff WB Animation.

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Roth
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I'm watching through Batman Beyond with a couple of friends at the moment, who I also watched Justice League, Teen Titans, and Young Justice with.

I really like Beyond, but honestly, I still feel like Teen Titans is probably my favorite of them just because I love those characters so much.

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Just would like to note that the 2009 Wonder Woman animated movie is really good and underappreciated imo. There's like a million Batman-centric animated movies, but only one solely about Wonder Woman. The eff WB Animation.
It's good. There's a scene that sort of skeeves me out. The Green Lantern movie, First Flight is also pretty decent. It comes with a really neat idea of ripping off the formula of Training Day and replacing Denzel with Sinestro.

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Teen Titans Go is a lot of fun. Also unlike every other cartoon they've ever put out they're somehow allowed to just do whatever when it comes to using characters.

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As of season 4 Ultimate Spider-man is now a fairly okay action comedy cartoon, rather than family guy gags with a little action, wouldn't call it great but it's neat, specially compared to Avengers Assemble which regardless of what storylines it brings, be it Thunderbolts or Infinity, always manages to be aggressively mediocre. If you want your Spider-man & Miles and Agent Venom and Scarlet Spider and Amadeus Cho fix there's worse ways to spend twenty minutes.

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I watched the post-Flashpoint DC Animated Movies and... for the most part, I actually liked them. Batman: Bad Blood and the Justice League: War were the only ones I had REAL issues with, actually. The former, for deciding that murdering the ENTIRE VILLAIN CAST in a BATMAN movie was a good idea. And the latter... well I can't even fault it for its own storytelling foibles. Really all its problems are ones I had with the original story. Supes being ultraviolent and all that. Though I will admit they made the plot more coherent than "Darkseid shows up to conquer earth because he's Darkseid and we needed a villain". The Aquaman movie- and it was basically an Aquaman movie- was also pretty great, and I was afraid they were going to skew close to the comics version. No, instead they were smart and had Aquaman not be going out of his way to show what a badass he was, and instead be some guy who... was generally feeling in over his head at first, and then, later, just embraced the fact that this was his life now, and it's actually kind of cool. Look at me rambling, it's way too early in the morning for me to be posting.

I will say that this poo poo with TKJ has made me decide not to go see the movie in theaters like I originally planned, though.

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The post-Flashpoint movies without Damian in them are way better than the ones with him in it.

I like Damian, but I really dislike his portrayal in those movies, and I can't stand how any character development he gains seems to just get reset for the next one so he can learn the same lesson again.

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The post-Flashpoint movies without Damian in them are way better than the ones with him in it.

I like Damian, but I really dislike his portrayal in those movies, and I can't stand how any character development he gains seems to just get reset for the next one so he can learn the same lesson again.

I'll agree with your second point wholeheartedly. It'd be better if they just kept with the character development and had him NOT be such a damned annoying brat all the time. The most satisfying part of Justice League vs. Teen Titans was probably his relationship with Raven- and actually getting told "Shut the gently caress up about your daddy issues nobody cares" by someone who found them, at best, quaint by comparison to her own.

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I actually hated Justice League vs Teen Titans the most out of all of them.

It shifted a story that should be about Raven to being about Damian, in order to teach him the same exact lesson yet again, while reducing Raven down to being a damsel and Damian's love interest.

I also had a ton of other issues with it, such as really disliking the voice acting (Raven sounds bored as hell for instance), Raven mocking her Mom for joining a cult followed by Beast Boy making a joke about her surprise sex, the attempt to tease a romance between Damian and Raven falling flat because the voice actors make them sound like a bored teenage girl and her eight year old brother, Wonder Woman criticizing movies for having men rescue women all the time only for her to be rescued by Superman later in the movie and say "Just like in the movies."

Granted, I did like a few things. I liked the scene where Beast Boy is talking to Raven during training, morphs back and is naked. I liked the part where Jaime blasted Damian in the face, and the magical girl transformation. Overall though, I ended up really not enjoying myself with the movie.

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Teen Titans Go is endearing to me. I won't pretend I go out of my way to watch episodes of it, but the showrunners are great. Their attitude about the show is awesome. I've gotten a few chuckles out of it.

TKJ was a mistake.

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Saw the Killing Joke in the cinema today. That first segment on Batgirl is about as cringe inducing as it gets. The audience ( which was packed out mind you in a pretty big theatre) literally booed or were laughing at that terrible sex scene and the scene afterwards where she's complaining about it to her friend.

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Honestly, the first segment just felt like a whole different movie. A lovely movie but a different movie.

They could've just made a, I don't know, Batman vs Batgirl or something stupid like that. Killing Joke would've been like 30 minutes long without all that and be better for it.

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Kind of out of the loop an that one, why does the Killing joke adaption had a sex scene with Batgirl in it.

Bruce Timm thought it'd be neato. And Brian Azzarello thinks you're a pussy if you disagree or something like that.

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For gently caress's sake, seriously? The whole thing was dumb when it was implied in the DCAU, but at least you could ignore it easily enough. Why would you ever think that is a good idea?

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For gently caress's sake, seriously? The whole thing was dumb when it was implied in the DCAU, but at least you could ignore it easily enough. Why would you ever think that is a good idea?

Azzarello wanted it because its controversial and you're a pussy for not getting how edgy this is. (He literally said both these things, this is not me putting words in his mouth)

Timm wanted it because he ships Batman/Batgirl hard and won't let the fact nobody else does, nor the fact that DC cannon doesn't support it stop him.

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Azzarello wanted it because its controversial and you're a pussy for not getting how edgy this is. (He literally said both these things, this is not me putting words in his mouth)

Not that I'm defending Azzarello, because I think what happened to the Killing Joke film is hot garbage, but he didn't outright just call someone a pussy for not getting how edgy the movie is. Just to be clear, someone in the crowd yelled an insult towards Azzarello and he asked them to say it again because he couldn't really hear it, but knew it was an insult. Whoever yelled didn't say what they said again and that's when Brian called whoever threw out the insult a pussy. Still an idiot though, but yeah, context.

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Not that I'm defending Azzarello, because I think what happened to the Killing Joke film is hot garbage, but he didn't outright just call someone a pussy for not getting how edgy the movie is. Just to be clear, someone in the crowd yelled an insult towards Azzarello and he asked them to say it again because he couldn't really hear it, but knew it was an insult. Whoever yelled didn't say what they said again and that's when Brian called whoever threw out the insult a pussy. Still an idiot though, but yeah, context.

Ah, right, I remembered it happened at a TKJ panel where people were complaining about the movie, but I forgot specifically what the audience member said before he called them a pussy.

Fair enough to Azzarello. Calling someone a pussy isn't really related to his reason for doing the Batman/Batgirl subplot in TKJ.

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Ah, right, I remembered it happened at a TKJ panel where people were complaining about the movie, but I forgot specifically what the audience member said before he called them a pussy.

Fair enough to Azzarello. Calling someone a pussy isn't really related to his reason for doing the Batman/Batgirl subplot in TKJ.

After the panel gave a response to a fan's question, saying that they felt Babs was still a strong female character in the film, I think the audience member sarcastically/mockingly blurted out, "yeah, by using sex and pining for Bruce" or something to that effect.

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After the panel gave a response to a fan's question, saying that they felt Babs was still a strong female character in the film, I think the audience member sarcastically/mockingly blurted out, "yeah, by using sex and pining for Bruce" or something to that effect.

Which is not really an insult at all, and a valid point. A pretty silly thing to get mad about. If he heard any of it at all, it shouldn't have angered him to the point of an outburst.

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After the panel gave a response to a fan's question, saying that they felt Babs was still a strong female character in the film, I think the audience member sarcastically/mockingly blurted out, "yeah, by using sex and pining for Bruce" or something to that effect.
Like look, I'm sure the dude in the audience was being a snarky nerd. But

1) It's a stupid change, and his answer was complete bullshit. Like Timm gave a better answer, and to be fair, I do agree with him. I think the notion that Batman and Batgirl have a father/daughter relationship is straight up false. And I think it's fair to say that the crush was there on Batman 66. Honestly, I don't necessarily have an issue with the relationship in general.

What we've seen is infinitely more stupid and poorly written than what was shown in Batman Beyond

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Which is not really an insult at all, and a valid point. A pretty silly thing to get mad about. If he heard any of it at all, it shouldn't have angered him to the point of an outburst.

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Like look, I'm sure the dude in the audience was being a snarky nerd. But

1) It's a stupid change, and his answer was complete bullshit. Like Timm gave a better answer, and to be fair, I do agree with him. I think the notion that Batman and Batgirl have a father/daughter relationship is straight up false. And I think it's fair to say that the crush was there on Batman 66. Honestly, I don't necessarily have an issue with the relationship in general.

What we've seen is infinitely more stupid and poorly written than what was shown in Batman Beyond

2) But also grown rear end men shouldn't be shouting and calling people pussies like loving idiots. Even if the nerd was being a huge rear end in a top hat, Azz was being a child.

From what I've read online, the person who heckled the panel was actually a reporter from Bleeding Cool. He did a writeup about the panel and admitted that his emotions got the best of him when he decided to attack the panel with sarcasm despite them doing their best to give a good answer. Like I said, I wholly disapprove of the changes too, but it seemed like there was already a lot of tension in the room when the question was originally asked and answered, and both Azzarello and the Bleeding Cool guy were tilted. Basically both of them are jackasses.

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