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I want to troll some wehraboos: buy one of those fancy model kits for some obscure nazi tank and paint it up as captured by the Soviets.

Panther or tiger?

How is Panther or Tiger obscure?

Those are like the two most common German tanks to kit build.

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I enjoyed the Brothers in Arms games because they were as much about pointing and shouting as they were about actually shooting anybody. I liked SWAT 4 for the same reason. More FPS games need to be about pointing and shouting, in my opinion.

Also, tankchat caused me to remember that the KV-2 existed, which in my opinion looks like one of those tanks that probably ought to be fake (or at least a goofy prototype that never saw combat) but I guess nope, it was out there.

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Also, tankchat caused me to remember that the KV-2 existed, which in my opinion looks like one of those tanks that probably ought to be fake (or at least a goofy prototype that never saw combat) but I guess nope, it was out there.

Contrast the T-95 which was a goofy prototype that never saw combat but looked pretty drat mean, like a Hetzer's big brother.

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I have a couple of questions about Napoleonics

The big one is about musketry, namely how effective it was and the tactics involved. However, I've lost the site I was going to query some information about right now, so I'll start with the smaller question

How were battles coordinated?
Was it all planned in advance and everyone had to stick to it (like making plans with friends before mobile phones) until they went their own way and took initiative in a situation? Or could things be change in the heat of battle with coordination?
I guess runners with messages but were they sent between Duke This and Duke That?
Or between Duke This and Duke That but via General Whatever for approval?
Or did only the general issue runners with messages during battle to avoid confusion?
Did messengers often get lost?

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I have a couple of questions about Napoleonics

The big one is about musketry, namely how effective it was and the tactics involved. However, I've lost the site I was going to query some information about right now, so I'll start with the smaller question

This youtube video is extremely relevant to your query. From military history visualised. Discusses the different muskets different nations used, effective range and accuracy and how that influenced the doctrines used.

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How were battles coordinated?

It was still the era of pitched battles so a commander could have view of the entire battlefield and issue commands via riders and so forth. The interesting aspect though was that armies were getting too large to march as a single entity even though they would always come together to fight as a single entity as much as possible. An army would be split into 2 or 3 entities, or corps, which would march on different roads, pillage and forage different regions and each have their own artillery and cavalry and could fight pitched battles with the main enemy for some time. Until the other columns came to the rescue as it were. Inspiring the phrase, "march to the sound of the guns", which is generally what a column was expected to do should it hear fighting.


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Was it all planned in advance and everyone had to stick to it (like making plans with friends before mobile phones) until they went their own way and took initiative in a situation? Or could things be change in the heat of battle with coordination?

Before Austerlitz, Napoleon famously commented to his Generals to "study this ground as a famous battle would be fought here". There was clearly a plan before the battle was joined, but both sides would have vastly different plans. Certainly there was room for initiative from lower level commanders but the overall commander could usually "see" most of what was going on. Cannot think of any major examples of initiative seizing commanders, if people have examples that would be awesome!

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I guess runners with messages but were they sent between Duke This and Duke That?

Runners were a WWI or WWII thing mostly, in this era they would mostly have used riders, because faster and not very vulnerable at all.

Don't really know about the other queries. Although knowing this thread, there are much more knowledgeable people here about to contradict the things I've said!

EDIT:
There was the famous charge of the light brigade! Lord Cardigan received seemingly suicidal orders which were carried by Captain Nolan, which he queried but was rudely rebuffed by Captain Nolan. Lord Cardigan then proceeded to suicidally charge a battery of guns at the end of the valley. Which were not the guns that the orders or Captain Nolan were referring to. Ambiguous orders are stupid.

Once Nolan realised the impending disaster that was about to unfold, galloped in front of Lord Cardigan (Pissing Cardigan off no end) and tried to lead the brigade to not suicidally charge the guns at the end of the valley. But he was very promptly killed by said guns.

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It's more like "the Sherman is literally the only tank I can identify by sight because I'm a WW2 equipment dunce", actually.

edit: are there, like, ww2 tank flashcards or something. i'm kind of embarrassed i can't even tell a t-34 from a....... well, that's the only tank i can name.

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Was it all planned in advance and everyone had to stick to it (like making plans with friends before mobile phones) until they went their own way and took initiative in a situation? Or could things be change in the heat of battle with coordination?
in the 17th century: the first one--so much so that little sketches with pre-battle plans on them exist. Then during the battle each oberst is expected to know enough to take his own initiative, and each big block is expected to be tough enough to fight on its own until rescued, if necessary.

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  • big into strategic mobility and deception, like Torstensson
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  • also did what nobody else could do before or since, which is make sure an army that works for the HRE or its successor, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, is well supplied
  • rich as hell, put villas up on all his estates, you can visit them
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  • big into strategic mobility and deception, like Torstensson
  • but unlike that guy, very tactically defensive, his battles all go (1) make sure you're on better ground than your enemy (2) fortify it
  • also did what nobody else could do before or since, which is make sure an army that works for the HRE or its successor, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, is well supplied
  • rich as hell, put villas up on all his estates, you can visit them
  • definitely had gout and malaria
  • possibly also had syphilis and heart disease
  • not the sanest knife in the drawer
  • had a habit of telling people exactly what he thought of them in writing, which was sometimes good and sometimes not as good

I'm getting the impression that he was an autist as well, the whole devotion to minutiae must have driven people around him insane, but also made his sick level of attention to logistics possible.

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I'm getting the impression that he was an autist as well, the whole devotion to minutiae must have driven people around him insane, but also made his sick level of attention to logistics possible.
things he was obsessed with include:
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the exact measurements of the cells of the monks he was supporting with a you tube free porno Stiftung he set up
the management of his estates in general, city planning for Jicin

oh yeah, he and General Pappenheim were also bobby blake porn videos bros for life and BFFs. I learned yesterday that Pappenheim is buried beside an empty tomb, which was intended for Wallenstein.

edit: Well, as far as the logistics is concerned, being one of the richest people in Europe didn't hurt.

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edit: speaking of the things he funded, he founded a lot of schools on his dominions and at least one of them remained in operation until 1945, which is emotionally moving to me.

edit 2: feel free to skip the part of Rebitsch's book where he talks about the history of Trent since the 1400s

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edit: Well, as far as the logistics is concerned, being one of the richest people in Europe didn't hurt.

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what bothered him specifically is that the plans the monks gave him specified cells that were very small, too small to stand up or move around in. he hated this because he thought it would be unhealthy, and didn't seem to get that they probably wanted to practice aesceticism in those cells. so he revised the plans and sent them the gently caress back.

Good to know W-bone really cares as long as you're a monk or never screw up

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I enjoyed the Brothers in Arms games because they were as much about pointing and shouting as they were about actually shooting anybody. I liked SWAT 4 for the same reason. More FPS games need to be about pointing and shouting, in my opinion.

Also, tankchat caused me to remember that the KV-2 existed, which in my opinion looks like one of those tanks that probably ought to be fake (or at least a goofy prototype that never saw combat) but I guess nope, it was out there.

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How were battles coordinated?
Was it all planned in advance and everyone had to stick to it (like making plans with friends before mobile phones) until they went their own way and took initiative in a situation? Or could things be change in the heat of battle with coordination?
I guess runners with messages but were they sent between Duke This and Duke That?
Or between Duke This and Duke That but via General Whatever for approval?
Or did only the general issue runners with messages during battle to avoid confusion?
Did messengers often get lost?

The actual level of command anyone had over a battle at that time is probably extremely debatable. Everything happened so fast during charges and counter-charges, and as BattleMoose said the armies were getting so big, that by the time you have the huge battles like Borodino and Leipzig, it's basically up to initial plans, local initiative and a healthy dose of luck. Of course that can go either way.

Jena-Auerstedt is a great example of the insanity that was Napoleonics. At Jena, Napoleon basically blundered into what he thought was the whole Prussian army, but was in fact only a small part of it. Cue General Ney launching an unordered suicide charge straight at the Prussians, which Napoleon has to then send more guys to rescue. Meanwhile over at Auerstedt an entirely separate battle was going down where the actual majority of the Prussian army was fighting Davout's Corps, and was handily defeated by Davout's brilliant commanding despite their numbers advantage.

And yes, messengers got lost all the time, which led to a huge amount of orders getting confused, missed or being completely outdated by the time they actually arrived. Jena-Auerstedt provides another great example, where one of Napoleon's Corps (under Bernadotte) kept marching back and forth between the battles, not actually committing to either of them because Napoleon hadn't really told him what to do.

Even though it's obviously not a perfect historical source or anything, Tolstoy's War and Peace actually has some great battle sections which get across the chaos and unpredictability of the battles very well. Even if you don't read the whole thing I'd recommend checking out the Borodino stuff, and some of the earlier, smaller battles as well.

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I enjoyed the Brothers in Arms games because they were as much about pointing and shouting as they were about actually shooting anybody. I liked SWAT 4 for the same reason. More FPS games need to be about pointing and shouting, in my opinion.

Also, tankchat caused me to remember that the KV-2 existed, which in my opinion looks like one of those tanks that probably ought to be fake (or at least a goofy prototype that never saw combat) but I guess nope, it was out there.

KV-2 is so cute.

It was also the tank that stopped a german column on it's lonesome near Raisenai, though I think I remember on EE's blog that the original source doesn't mention if it's a KV-1 or KV-2 so maybe that's wrong.

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Seeing a Sherman being used by the Nazis makes me really sad in a way I'm not sure I can justify regarding a piece of inanimate military equipment.

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Also, can you repost the bit about the soldier who "shat on the hundred thousand sacraments"? Asking for a friend

Found it!

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"The weirdest today was the dude who broke in on an argument that two of his roommates were having by saying that he wished the devil would take their heads and knock them against the wall. When he was told that he shouldn't talk like that but instead remember the lord God, he said that he had made a pact with the Devil. Then he said that he "shat on the hundred thousand sacraments," "and other things too horrible to recount."

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Not every country One of James the First's smarter moves in the shorter term was ignoring the Puritans and not getting involved right at the start, even though his son in law getting the boot was what kicked off the whole thing. In the longer term, of course, that's one of the things that got us stoked up for our babby version a few decades later.

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The actual level of command anyone had over a battle at that time is probably extremely debatable. Everything happened so fast during charges and counter-charges, and as BattleMoose said the armies were getting so big, that by the time you have the huge battles like Borodino and Leipzig, it's basically up to initial plans, local initiative and a healthy dose of luck. Of course that can go either way.

Jena-Auerstedt is a great example of the insanity that was Napoleonics. At Jena, Napoleon basically blundered into what he thought was the whole Prussian army, but was in fact only a small part of it. Cue General Ney launching an unordered suicide charge straight at the Prussians, which Napoleon has to then send more guys to rescue. Meanwhile over at Auerstedt an entirely separate battle was going down where the actual majority of the Prussian army was fighting Davout's Corps, and was handily defeated by Davout's brilliant commanding despite their numbers advantage.

And yes, messengers got lost all the time, which led to a huge amount of orders getting confused, missed or being completely outdated by the time they actually arrived. Jena-Auerstedt provides another great example, where one of Napoleon's Corps (under Bernadotte) kept marching back and forth between the battles, not actually committing to either of them because Napoleon hadn't really told him what to do.

Even though it's obviously not a perfect historical source or anything, Tolstoy's War and Peace actually has some great battle sections which get across the chaos and unpredictability of the battles very well. Even if you don't read the whole thing I'd recommend checking out the Borodino stuff, and some of the earlier, smaller battles as well.

I'm thinking of running a game of Black Powder that has all the divisions commanded by Goons (on both sides) - with everything going through emails and messages moving via riders. I want to recreate as much of the fog of war as possible - I'm not sure HOW often to make the messengers get lost, or how fast to make them move yet, but the planning stage is there.

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' Pappenheim & Wallenstein' sounds like the title of the best sitcom ever. They could call each other Pappie and Wallie and have wacky drunken adventures involving pistols, windows and wizards.
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