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Yeah, I just need to check whether the thread getting goldmined broke the links to older posts. Other then that I should be able to pick it up and get moving again. Gonna start talking about the Shanghai Foreign Arms Corp and the start of western intervention against the Taiping.

I am already looking forward to what the Chinese in both factions felt about a certain British christan suicidal general.

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Do one of the Leningrad Tigers A.K.A. the first ones that saw combat and where one was captured by the Russians because it bogged in swampy terrain.



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KV-2 is so cute.

It was also the tank that stopped a german column on it's lonesome near Raisenai, though I think I remember on EE's blog that the original source doesn't mention if it's a KV-1 or KV-2 so maybe that's wrong.

It's 100% for sure a KV-1, but it had an extra guy along for the ride, so everyone thinks it was a KV-2.

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I've seen a few references to tank destroyers. Did I miss some sort of tank vs. tank destroyer pissing contest in the last thread?

"Tank destroyers vs. towed guns vs. just give every Sherman a 76 mm gun" is as common and uncreative topic as "hey have you guys heard about that bear" and "Gay Black Hitler"

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It's 100% for sure a KV-1, but it had an extra guy along for the ride, so everyone thinks it was a KV-2.

Ah, I can see where that'd be confusing.

any idea why the extra dude was there? Just some straggler?

quote:

"Tank destroyers vs. towed guns vs. just give every Sherman a 76 mm gun" is as common and uncreative topic as "hey have you guys heard about that bear" and "Gay Black Hitler"

I don't want to restart The Wars but is there a link to when this discussion was happening? It's a topic I did hit on a few months ago and wanted some opinions on but didn't want to poke the nest

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2. Not relying on the Gembloux Gap defenses. The original battle plan was to retreat basically to the French-Belgian frontier; this was politically untenable as well but possibly decisive.


Thanks for the in depth summary. The above is what I did in HOI, managed to hold the line until the yanks showed up.

Would it be fair to say that the invasion of France, and Russia for that matter, depended heavily on the defenders making a poo poo ton of mistakes, large and small? I just get the impression that gay black Hitler is really facing an uphill fight just to reproduce Germany's historical performance, let alone do that and also add that one weird trick wehraboos think would win the war.

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Would it be fair to say that the invasion of France, and Russia for that matter, depended heavily on the defenders making a poo poo ton of mistakes, large and small? I just get the impression that gay black Hitler is really facing an uphill fight just to reproduce Germany's historical performance, let alone do that and also add that one weird trick wehraboos think would win the war.

Basically yeah.

Though to be fair, most wars are fought the same way. It's just that industrial wars give you a lot of leeway in terms of how long you can gently caress up.

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Thanks for the in depth summary. The above is what I did in HOI, managed to hold the line until the yanks showed up.

Would it be fair to say that the invasion of France, and Russia for that matter, depended heavily on the defenders making a poo poo ton of mistakes, large and small? I just get the impression that gay black Hitler is really facing an uphill fight just to reproduce Germany's historical performance, let alone do that and also add that one weird trick wehraboos think would win the war.

Enormously, yep!

I remember a lengthy article somewhere about how if the western allies had just invaded Germany during the funny war they'd have probably blown right through them.

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I remember a lengthy article somewhere about how if the western allies had just invaded Germany during the funny war they'd have probably blown right through them.

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Ah, I can see where that'd be confusing.

any idea why the extra dude was there? Just some straggler?


I don't want to restart The Wars but is there a link to when this discussion was happening? It's a topic I did hit on a few months ago and wanted some opinions on but didn't want to poke the nest

Jeez, I don't even know which thread involved TD chat. I think it was the first thread, but beyond that I have no idea who was even involved. TD chat was more than just a10-page discussion, it would resurface by other means every so often and ignite another round of arguments. I think I remember that one bout of TD chat that involved several posters who weren't even a part of the first argument. And one guy was a staunch TD doctrine defender, and would almost always show up no matter what.

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Ah, I can see where that'd be confusing.

any idea why the extra dude was there? Just some straggler?


I don't want to restart The Wars but is there a link to when this discussion was happening? It's a topic I did hit on a few months ago and wanted some opinions on but didn't want to poke the nest

The Original Tank Destroyer conversation.

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Thanks for the effort post on the French defense, Kyoon. I have a follow up question though:

It sounds like one of the things that went wrong was that the French didn't reach their defense line in time to prepare the...defense. Since they were the defending faction, is there a reason they couldn't have just had their defenses prepared before the war started? Why did they wait until Germany was already attacking to start moving up to their planned defensive line?

There's probably something very obvious I'm overlooking (perhaps you even mentioned it in your post, I am on a phone and very sleepy) but that stuck out as odd to me.

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Ah, I can see where that'd be confusing.

any idea why the extra dude was there? Just some straggler?

Very likely. The situation in late July was extremely chaotic, so a junior commander trying to get a lift to where he was supposed to be wouldn't be uncommon.

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Thanks for the effort post on the French defense, Kyoon. I have a follow up question though:

It sounds like one of the things that went wrong was that the French didn't reach their defense line in time to prepare the...defense. Since they were the defending faction, is there a reason they couldn't have just had their defenses prepared before the war started? Why did they wait until Germany was already attacking to start moving up to their planned defensive line?

There's probably something very obvious I'm overlooking (perhaps you even mentioned it in your post, I am on a phone and very sleepy) but that stuck out as odd to me.

Their defense line wasn't inside their borders. They'd done the fighting a war in their borders thing, it loving sucked and they really didn't want a repeat.

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Wouldn't the German counterpart to the Maginot line (I forgot the name) get in the way of "blowing right through them"?

The Siegfried Line was not finished, Germany didn't really have the manpower to defend it properly in 1939 (while invading Poland) and the fortifications lacked arms. It was a paper tiger.

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Still he does at least admit the T-34-85 also deserves to be called the best medium tank of WW2. Even if it should share the crown with the Easy Eight and not the Panther.

The problem is that "Best X of WWII" often falls flat or has some individual bias that tarnishes the argument. Do you look at the potential a design had? Do you look at the various strengths and weakness and, if so, which variant(s) do you compare? Do you examine combat reports where only tanks fought eachother, or do you allow air-to-ground reports or combined arms actions?

There's no denying the T-34 is a good/great (Choose one) tank but "Best of X" always bugs me.

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So uh, what is happening to the on going stuff still being worked on like the Taiping/Polish Soviet War and a few other mega post projects goons in the last thread were doing? they going to keep going and repost the older stuff when they are done?

I have extracted whatever posts of mine from the old thread I think had value and put them in a paris hilton porn vid for easy access. I've even edited some of them.

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Their defense line wasn't inside their borders. They'd done the fighting a war in their borders thing, it loving sucked and they really didn't want a repeat.

Alright yeah that's what I'm missing. For some reason I thought France and Belgium/Netherlands were allies before the war but Google tells me they didn't join until Germany attacked. There it is then, RIP

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Can someone explain what was so special about that extra millimeter between the 76mm and 75mm?

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Can someone explain what was so special about that extra millimeter between the 76mm and 75mm?

I mean I get it upped the penetrating power but was there a muzzle velocity change as well or something? Otherwise I don't see how a single mm makes a difference.

The 75 mm gun was rather short-barrelled compared to the 76, 31 calibers as opposed to 55-. The 76 mm also had a lot heavier round, so muzzle velocity was increased a lot.

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Can someone explain what was so special about that extra millimeter between the 76mm and 75mm?

I mean I get it upped the penetrating power but was there a muzzle velocity change as well or something? Otherwise I don't see how a single mm makes a difference.

Yeah, the major change wasn't actually the calibre but the fact the gun was way longer. The panther's gun was 75mm but it had a barrel length almost twice that of the 76mm sherman, with accordingly higher speed rounds, and consequently higher KE.

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Can someone explain what was so special about that extra millimeter between the 76mm and 75mm?

I mean I get it upped the penetrating power but was there a muzzle velocity change as well or something? Otherwise I don't see how a single mm makes a difference.


The biggest difference was the 76mm had a much larger casing, which meant it could carry more powder, which meant much higher muzzle velocity. The barrel length helped but you still needed more boom to get a significant upgrade in penetration.



I think these are the right rounds...the 75x350 is on the far right, the 76mm is next to it. Note how much more brass there is.

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Even similar-sized guns in terms of calibre can be vastly different, just look at the 7.62x54R vs 7.62x39. One's a rifle cartridge, the other for assault rifles.


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If the question was "Did the extra millimetre matter", then not really, no; there's no reason a longer 75mm with higher-powered ammo wouldn't behave basically the same. The fact they were different guns did matter, though, since you couldn't just make the existing 75mm longer.

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