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Dude the 960's should be out within weeks.
How soon are we talking? They were just announced late September and I'm finalizing my build next week. I was gonna go with an Intel 750 or 600.

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How soon are we talking? They were just announced late September and I'm finalizing my build next week. I was gonna go with an Intel 750 or 600.

"mid october" is the only thing official.

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Yeah, if anything, the 960s have a built-in heat spreader. The 950 got pretty warm, especially in those slots under the GPU.

The 950 might get marked down once the 960s are in channel, too.

I'm hoping for some good Black Friday / CyberMonday sales this year.

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How soon are we talking? They were just announced late September and I'm finalizing my build next week. I was gonna go with an Intel 750 or 600.

"October." =/

Generally that means the latter half or *end* of October.

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There are a few assholes selling SM961s on eBay calling them 960 Pros, don't get suckered. Consider the 961s the 'Samsung 959' drive - they're bare green PCBs save for an identification sticker like the 950 Pros'. 960s are black PCBs with a snazzy black ID sticker. They'll also probably never get a firmware update, and even if they do, you won't be able to apply it easily.

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I was at NVMe plugfest this week (a real thing) and can't go into too much details but there are a LOT of chinese brands bringing NVMe drives out in the near future. That was my biggest takeaway.

Also M.2 is really getting traction in the enterprise space, surprising some folks.

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The thing is that the random 4k performance is by far the most important metric and as you can see in the charts posted earlier a SSD will be 40-100 times faster in that type of work so yeah, even with the bottleneck a SSD will be vastly faster than any HDD.

Not to mention latency even on a SSD on slowass SATA is still some ~500x faster than a HDD.

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Anyone got any info or confirmation on this?

Apparently, both Firefox and Chrome write their respective recovery sessions every 15 seconds. Firefox supposedly does 10GB a day and this will eventually kill an SSD faster than normal unless you tweak the settings.

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Anyone got any info or confirmation on this?

Apparently, both Firefox and Chrome write their respective recovery sessions every 15 seconds. Firefox supposedly does 10GB a day and this will eventually kill an SSD faster than normal unless you tweak the settings.

Yep, it's a thing.

Not sure why it isn't something like 3 minutes by default.

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How soon are we talking? They were just announced late September and I'm finalizing my build next week. I was gonna go with an Intel 750 or 600.

Those are not really similar drives other than both being NVMe. The 750 should destroy the 600 of course.

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Anyone got any info or confirmation on this?

Apparently, both Firefox and Chrome write their respective recovery sessions every 15 seconds. Firefox supposedly does 10GB a day and this will eventually kill an SSD faster than normal unless you tweak the settings.

It's true, but it's still a fairly insignificant amount of data even if it's a "lot" of writes. I usually keep 200+ tabs open in chrome and here's my 500GB 850 EVO's stats:
384 days power on
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average 21.28GB/day

As you can see from this image in the OP, if I continually use this disk in this manner (and if I add in some write amplification) I will wear it out in approximately 93.5 years. When I'm 130 years old I don't think I'll give a gently caress about a 93 year old SSD, and if I do, I'm sure I can find one in better shape on whatever has replaced ebay by then.



Steve Gibson is not stupid but he's got some really weird opinions about computers and software. He's a bit of a kook and isn't really the best resource for a lot of things.

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May 25, 2005



One could also use the far more conservative numbers that Samsung itself provides in the warranty. For a 250GB 850 EVO, the warranty is 5 years/75TBW, which works out to about 40GB/day. The 850 EVOs larger than 250GB allow for 80GB/day.

Given that Samsung doesn't consider you to be a 'heavy user' until you cross those lines, I'm not going to lose sleep over what is likely my main, most-used process (a web browser) eating 1/8-1/4 of my daily quota. One could easily use a car analogy here, but in any case, drives (spinning rust or SS) should be considered wear-items. I'm not going to trust any drive older than 5 years, so there's little point in 'babying' it until then.

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Apr 2, 2008



I know the 960 Evo is going to be the new hotness, but is there anything really "wrong" with the Intel 600p? MSRP is $60 cheaper for the 512GB and performance seems not as good as the 960's will be but still better than the 850's?

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It's no use wasting time pruning tabs. Computer performance grows faster than the load caused by all those tabs. Of course you can't do that on Chrome because gently caress horizontal tabs.

So it's about 376 tabs for the default Firefox profile, 236 for the profile dedicated for Something Awful, 196 tabs for YouTube profile, 478 in the profile for all kinds of projects, latest about upgradijng and rooting my tablet, and then bunch of other profiles I don't have running currently.

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I could never understand people who keep hundreds of tabs open. Most content these days expires an hour after it's generated so 3/4 of those will become 404s or session expires

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I could never understand people who keep hundreds of tabs open. Most content these days expires an hour after it's generated so 3/4 of those will become 404s or session expires

Not everyone uses clickbait Web 3.0 sites.

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When can I expect to not pay out the rear end for NVMe? I looked at 1TB drives and saw $600-$700 and said gently caress that poo poo.

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When can I expect to not pay out the rear end for NVMe? I looked at 1TB drives and saw $600-$700 and said gently caress that poo poo.

You can preorder a 1TB 960 EVO for ~$470 at the moment through Samsung's website.

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You can preorder a 1TB 960 EVO for ~$470 at the moment through Samsung's website.

What's the expected release date for it? I don't see one on the page.

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I know the 960 Evo is going to be the new hotness, but is there anything really "wrong" with the Intel 600p? MSRP is $60 cheaper for the 512GB and performance seems not as good as the 960's will be but still better than the 850's?

No, nothing wrong with it. I bought a 512GB 600p to go in my new laptop since at the time the 960 release hadn't been announced. It seems to be at least as fast as any other SSD I've ever used (I have a 13" Haswell MBP as a work laptop and an 850 EVO in my desktop) and there have been no problems with it.

Honestly, I'm not sure how much the sequential performance difference between the 600p and something faster would ever matter to a consumer. When your read speeds are already faster than 10G Ethernet you're pretty much ensuring that your bottleneck is somewhere else, and that goes double for the write speeds since there's basically nothing I can connect to a laptop with read speeds able to keep up with 600MBps or whatever it does.

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What's the expected release date for it? I don't see one on the page.

Anywhere from tomorrow to the end of October. There were whispers of October 9th, but I think Samsung's been a trifle busy having to do a complete and total recall of the Note 7.

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I know the 960 Evo is going to be the new hotness, but is there anything really "wrong" with the Intel 600p? MSRP is $60 cheaper for the 512GB and performance seems not as good as the 960's will be but still better than the 850's?

It has kind of a funky lockdown mode once it runs out of spare cells.

quote:

How Intel's consumer SSDs expire once you surpass the endurance threshold is troubling. In an almost over-zealous move to protect user data, Intel instituted a feature on many of its existing SSDs that automatically switches it to a read-only mode once you surpass the endurance threshold. Surprisingly, the read-only state only lasts for a single boot cycle. After reboot, the SSD "locks" itself (which means you cannot access the data) to protect the user from any data loss due to the weakened flash. The operating system typically generates error notifications when an SSD switches into a read-only mode, so most users will restart without being aware that the SSD will be inaccessible upon the next reboot. The process to recover the data is unclear. We reached out to Intel to verify if the 600p also has this feature, but have yet to receive a response.

EDIT: 9/23/2016 Intel clarified the nature of the read-only feature, which is not based upon the endurance limit. All SSDs have spare area that is dedicated to replacing failed cells. The Intel 600p only switches into a read-only mode when the spare area is exhausted. Intel also noted users can copy the data from a read-only SSD by installing it as a secondary drive in another computer. Intel provided an official response outlining the recovery procedure, and we include a more detailed explanation in the link.
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Seems convenient that it just happened to burn through its spare cells at just the point in time where the endurance was completed (which is much lower than it is now I guess?). Not sure I believe that. But whatever.

Other than that it's fantastic for what it is. It's not like 950 Pro fast but it's way faster than the 850 Evo. I was really tempted back when I was looking at getting more space, but that end-of-life lockdown mode thing really gives me the heebie-jeebies

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Sandisk got bought? I didn't even know.
There was a bit of talk about it on anandtech for a while but nobody here paid attention at the time.

Also I love that they're selling the WD brand name for an extra $50 for an upclocked x400

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Seems convenient that it just happened to burn through its spare cells at just the point in time where the endurance was completed (which is much lower than it is now I guess?). Not sure I believe that. But whatever.

Other than that it's fantastic for what it is. It's not like 950 Pro fast but it's way faster than the 850 Evo. I was really tempted back when I was looking at getting more space, but that end-of-life lockdown mode thing really gives me the heebie-jeebies

Interesting. I'm not buying for another week or so. Hopefully the samsungs will be out by then. Thanks!

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Consumer SSD's started to hit the market in what, 2008/2009?

Everyone kept saying "Seagate/WD/Hitachi" will jump in when they know the time is right...they have the logistics and connections and the supply chain...

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The Intel 600p only switches into a read-only mode when the spare area is exhausted. Intel also noted users can copy the data from a read-only SSD by installing it as a secondary drive in another computer. Intel provided an official response outlining the recovery procedure, and we include a more detailed explanation in the link.

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they have ... the supply chain...
But they didn't. If you go back, you'll see smart people saying "they don't have NAND manufacturing capability so they can't get costs low enough for it to make business sense for them." It's always been about the NAND. The companies that have capitalized the most on the SSD revolution all have NAND manufacturing capabilities: Samsung, Intel, and Toshiba.

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Or, are we still waiting?
WD now has access to NAND via their HGST acquisition (Intel partnership) and their SanDisk acquisition (Toshiba partnership). We'll likely see them make concerted efforts in the enterprise SSD space, and half-hearted consumer stuff just to keep the brand name out there.

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Consumer SSD's started to hit the market in what, 2008/2009?

Everyone kept saying "Seagate/WD/Hitachi" will jump in when they know the time is right...they have the logistics and connections and the supply chain...

But they never came in and wiped out the little guys. Or, are we still waiting?

Samsung and Intel are hardly 'little guys'.

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Fun fact: Samsung has a slightly higher GDP than Hungary.

Which is why whenever you visit South Korea you wonder if they own the country since the name is pretty much on *everything*.

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