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To be fair that's a pretty big gift.

My only gift is invulnerability, so as you can imagine I'm still working on being harder to beat in my matches....

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Think it would be frowned upon if one were to show up to the Foam Fight League and just blast double people?
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Think it would be frowned upon if one were to show up to the Foam Fight League and just blast double people?
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As a former foam dork who used to play that exact game.

1) You'd blast double baddies, but get blasted to the side or shoulder by anyone any good with a foam sword and then you'd be "dead" and have to just stand there like a dork. Mind you they may be dorks, but if they've been doing it for any length of time they'll have a bit less than a foot of extra range on you, and aren't afraid to hit people with it.

2) Unless you're trying to be a prick and just trying to hurt nerds for no reason, in which case you'll blast double one dork regardless of being dead, and then get kicked off the field for being a raging tool, and they'd be right.

3)What is more likely going to happen if you're going in for a blast double would probably more likely get you wanged in the head by the "foam" swords. Now they may be "foam" swords, but really what it is, is 1/2' to 3/4' PVC wrapped in some softcell foam, which is a bit more sturdy then those stupid kid nerf bats the kali kids use. Now you may not think that it's all that bad, but as someone whose done both dork fighting, kali w/ sparring, Boxing, and Muay Thai and have taken unprotected head shots in three of the four of those. Getting wanged in the head by a dork whose been playing that kinda game for a couple of years is on par with slipping into a hook by a competent boxer. You'll get your bell rung and you may want to sit down.



edit: That said if you wanna go try it out, it's a fun game and really closer to rugby than flagfoot ball on the contact scale. Just like with a lot of dork hobbies, you'll have to deal with dorks being dorks so if your park is chill it'll be a fun experience.

edit2:To be clear, the game the guys you linked play is closer to the Armored Combat League or that weird thing in Australia where they armor guys up head to toe and they give them weapons and fight it out than the "LIGHTNING BOLT, LIGHTNING BOLT" trope.

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Also, be aware that there will probably be a ton of 'you're too new at this to hit me' coming from the Elder Dorks. The SCA club I was with in college visited the Belegarth group on campus to see what they were about, and ditched with them a while back in the day, and I got the fun of watching one of their guys take a hit so hard it knocked him over and claim it was light.

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Well when you guys put it that way it makes it sound less fun.

I saw a promo video of 1v1 combat and someone had a shield, was basically hoping to shield blast/takedown my way to victory.

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Imagine passing someone's guard but you get to use a shield to help you do it..

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Well when you guys put it that way it makes it sound less fun.

I saw a promo video of 1v1 combat and someone had a shield, was basically hoping to shield blast/takedown my way to victory.

Sorry, much like with any sport the most optimal strategies are the more boring ones pop the pussy lyrics . The guy in green while I was playing was easily in the top 5-10% of fighters in the USA for this sorta game, and he pretty much spanks dudes by having good foot work and throwing basically two shots. No spinny stuff, no shield bashing, no grappling, very little shield contact.

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That looks so dumb but I also want to try it

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Why did that one hit to the shield cause the shield arm to get taken out? There's other shield hits that don't seem to cause that.

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Wrap shot, it went around the edge of the shield and hit the bicep, and the guy he was fighting just there was honest enough to take it instead of shrugging it off like most of them were.

I'm really not that impressed if that's what the top end of their fighting looks like. Not a one of those guys had the thought to take his swordarm when he extends rather than keep trying for his shield-side shoulder and hip.

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Once I was walking by a park and saw people "fighting" with foam swords. I started talking to them, and challenged one to a duel. I won, with no training in this "sport". Can't say I respect it much.

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Half those guys are so out of shape that they kneel and refuse to stand, then try to whip each other with a fake sword. Most of those geniuses also just wildly swung directly at the shield, expecting to somehow magically swing through it.

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The kneeling is part of the game system. A hit to a leg means they can't stand on it and have to fight from their knees, a hit to an arm means stop using the arm.

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In Muay Thai for body kicks, are you supposed to keep the lower leg at 90 degrees to the knee, or extend it? I have had a different answer from a few coaches, and watching a few videos, what you do with the hip rotation seems to be the biggest point of emphasis.

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Wrap shot, it went around the edge of the shield and hit the bicep, and the guy he was fighting just there was honest enough to take it instead of shrugging it off like most of them were.

I'm really not that impressed if that's what the top end of their fighting looks like. Not a one of those guys had the thought to take his swordarm when he extends rather than keep trying for his shield-side shoulder and hip.

The fighters I could recognize where on the low to mid end, I should have said that. Watch the fight again and you'll notice his arms only barely extending past shield cover anyway, you'd be better taking the momentum away from him and firing off first rather than trying cute stuff like baiting for arms. A reminder that these guys aren't armored, guy in green is decently strong, and their weapons are a bit bigger than 13ozs. Those shots are coming in deceptively fast.

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Most of those geniuses also just wildly swung directly at the shield, expecting to somehow magically swing through it.

They're throwing really lazy and bad wrap shots, when thrown well you can snag a shoulder or elbow seemingly through the shield. It's the equivalent of throwing a jab generally to see if the shield placement is good and how the opponent is going to react.

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Once I was walking by a park and saw people "fighting" with foam swords. I started talking to them, and challenged one to a duel. I won, with no training in this "sport". Can't say I respect it much.

Imagine if Kendo had like...a twenty year tradition instead of a few hundred, and the only people who played it where athletic to slightly athletic dorks who where generally poor to lower middle class, who where geographically isolated from one another, and liked anime or videogames. You'd have the large majority of "gyms" being filled with white belts teaching white belts and a few gyms here and there filled with black belts that just go and tool everyone else. What I am saying is, your results may vary.

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In Muay Thai for body kicks, are you supposed to keep the lower leg at 90 degrees to the knee, or extend it? I have had a different answer from a few coaches, and watching a few videos, what you do with the hip rotation seems to be the biggest point of emphasis.

If your opponent isn't moving toward you, you want to time swinging the lower leg straight into the point of contact.

If your opponent likes to move in as you're kicking, you want to leave yourself more room for error. Keeping the lower leg bent if he jams you gives you the option of extending to help separate you two into the striking range you want.

Keeping the lower leg bent when throwing low kicks is imo just a drilling habit so you can modulate the power and push back into your stance without landing as hard.

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Imagine if Kendo had like...a twenty year tradition instead of a few hundred, and the only people who played it where athletic to slightly athletic dorks who where generally poor to lower middle class, who where geographically isolated from one another, and liked anime or videogames. You'd have the large majority of "gyms" being filled with white belts teaching white belts and a few gyms here and there filled with black belts that just go and tool everyone else. What I am saying is, your results may vary.

Expanding on this, there are many different leagues which can be broadly divided into using either "lightest touch" or "sufficient force" standards for what constitutes a valid hit. As you might expect, the different rulesets attract different types of people and encourage different strategies, in much the same way that "kickboxing" includes both TKD and MT.

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In Muay Thai for body kicks, are you supposed to keep the lower leg at 90 degrees to the knee, or extend it? I have had a different answer from a few coaches, and watching a few videos, what you do with the hip rotation seems to be the biggest point of emphasis.

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That was great, thanks. Just when I think I'm getting my head around the mechanics Joe Valtellini says "it starts at the elbows"

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