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Who are the writers? Does it share any with Borderlands?

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Who are the writers? Does it share any with Borderlands?

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The fact that it shares any bodes well. I'll wait until episode 2 to see. Ever since Borderlands, I've wanted Telltale to do comedy more since I think they're really good at it and it's a shame they've only really done one since switching to their modern model.

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Sam and Max was wonderfully quirky and funny, especially the later seasons. I miss those games.

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Pre QTE Telltale strikes me as an entirely different company than the one that exists now. They had a very good sense of puzzle design and comedy. They seem really intent on going whole hog with this new choice simulator approach, whether it fits the tone of the license or not *coughJurassicParkcough*.

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Pre QTE Telltale strikes me as an entirely different company than the one that exists now. They had a very good sense of puzzle design and comedy. They seem really intent on going whole hog with this new choice simulator approach, whether it fits the tone of the license or not *coughJurassicParkcough*.

It's a choice between continuing to make games in a niche dying genre or making games in the exact style that made them incredibly successful. It's not really a choice unfortunately.

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Point and click adventure games can't be a dying genre, they died and came back already.

It's unfortunate that whatever they were planning to do with Army of Darkness' license seems to be dead in the water nowadays. It's probably for the best since Ash isn't a great fit for a QTE choice game and would've been much more at home in something like a Sam and Max season, but still.

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Yes, I did, but his inclusion in that was very obviously meant to be a tease for an actual full game.

Not necessarily? Unless they also wanted to do a Portal and a Venture Brothers game too?

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I know I'm super late, but I have a computer capable of playing Arkham Knight now. I gotta say, I feel like it's just not as good as City. Most of my complaints are the ones that people have heard a lot, like the Batmobile not being that fun for the amount of time you have to use it, and things like that. I know that City's story gets flak around here but I thought it was fine, but Knight's story is... not great? They should have just got Paul Dini back. It's not all bad, but there's definitely enough dumb stuff to hurt it. The entire horny mom sex video Oracle thing was dumb, I wasn't sure if she was actually dead or not, but I basically immediately went from that plot point to doing the Ra's al Ghul mission. I understand that Batman thinks using the Lazarus formula is wrong, but you'd think that this one time in this one situation he might change his mind. And then they reveal it was a Scarecrow hallucination? You'd think that Batman would have considered that possibility at some point. And I was loving pissed that kerala nun sex scandal Deathstroke had a Batmobile based stealth boss fight? What the gently caress, especially after the fun and cool Arkham Origins fight. And to get the full ending you have to do all the side quests, including the Riddler one, the only one I hadn't done because gently caress, I did his mission in Asylum perfect world international nude and City. I've got 200 left to do.

I know it's not a comic (well, Moonstone puts some out on occasion but...), but the one license I would love to see Telltale tackle is Kolchak The Night Stalker, but I also haven't played much of their games so I'm not over their style either.

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What makes it even more frustrating is that one of the best fights in the series is locked behind all the Riddler stuff.

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The entire young ebony girls porn Oracle thing was dumb, I wasn't sure if she was actually dead or not, but I basically immediately went from that plot point to doing the Ra's al Ghul mission. I understand that Batman thinks using the Lazarus formula is wrong, but you'd think that this one time in this one situation he might change his mind. And then they reveal it was a Scarecrow hallucination? You'd think that Batman would have considered that possibility at some point.
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Knight is definitely not as good as City. The Batmobile weighs it down from a gameplay perspective and Jason weighs it down from a narrative perspective.

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The free ass porno videos Ra's al Ghul stuff was all DLC so it's somewhat forgivable that it doesn't gel with the main plot at that particular point.

True, but the Mr Freeze DLC had some minor changes, voice over ones admittedly, depending on where you were at in the story. I have to say, gameplay-wise the Freeze one had problems, but I really liked the story for it. Very nice and bittersweet.

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Knight is definitely not as good as City. The Batmobile weighs it down from a gameplay perspective and Jason weighs it down from a narrative perspective.

Even if I hadn't been spoiled on Jason, the Arkham Knight was just so whiny and unthreatening. I thought the bit immediately after you beat was decent though. Also, did they give out a story pack that took place after the game as a preorder bonus? That's pretty ballsy.

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The stealth's also way weaker.

I've only done like, one, maybe two inverted takedowns, and that's bullshit.

Also, on the PC the controls don't feel quite as good as City, something just feels a little off, you can tell the PC port had to be massively improved, and who the gently caress would assign a combat takedown move you're supposed to do quickly to Alt-1? Thank God for key rebinding. I've also found things like environmental takedowns to be super finicky.

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The stealth's also way weaker.

Oh, undeniably. The abundance of outside environments seriously hurt my enjoyment of the predator stuff. It's a bit difficult to get into vantage positions or honestly to even care to bother when I can just leap off the side of the building and climb up the other side. It's way easier. Which is the problem. They want to do stuff like 15 guys in Predator, but that's not as fun as it sounds. And as cool as the slow motion super takedown is at first, it ends up taking away what I felt was the original point of Predator. You have combat to be Super Batman and punch 30 guys into the group and then you have predator to be Guns Still Kill You Batman where you have to be smart to win. Not just persistent.

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I don't feel like Jason was a spoiler, because it was the most predictable thing in the world.

I think I may forever resent Rocksteady just a little bit for genuinely trying to sell to us that the Arkham Knight was not Jason Todd.

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I don't feel like Jason was a spoiler, because it was the most predictable thing in the world.

They tried at least. Remember when they declared that he was a new character created by Geoff Johns? Of course, once you know it's the most obvious thing.

The bigger thing that got spoiled for me (and then turned out to be mostly pointless) was the black teen girls masterbating Joker people. Yeah, Batman's bit was important but all the others? I did love Johnny Charisma's bit though, even if the stealth bit as Robin was not great. I was highly amused by getting the key code from the mirror though, you don't see mirrors often enough in games these days.

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It didn't help that Arkham Knight was the first time Jason Todd had been mentioned in the series (beyond an Easter Egg in a challenge map or something).

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Oh, undeniably. The abundance of outside environments seriously hurt my enjoyment of the predator stuff. It's a bit difficult to get into vantage positions or honestly to even care to bother when I can just leap off the side of the building and climb up the other side. It's way easier. Which is the problem. They want to do stuff like 15 guys in Predator, but that's not as fun as it sounds. And as cool as the slow motion super takedown is at first, it ends up taking away what I felt was the original point of Predator. You have combat to be Super Batman and punch 30 guys into the group and then you have predator to be Guns Still Kill You Batman where you have to be smart to win. Not just persistent.

There also wasn't a single stealth section that used those beeping collars that alert surrounding goons when you take one down, and I'm pretty sure the ability to make the last few goons completely go insane with fear by doing perfect stealth is gone as well, in a game about fear.

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I was more upset at Tim x Barbara. Dicky G is right there!

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It didn't help that Arkham Knight was the first time Jason Todd had been mentioned in the series (beyond an Easter Egg in a challenge map or something).

Yeah, the fact that Arkham Asylum clearly didn't intend on sequels in continuity really screwed things up for them. From the timeline we're given, Tim has been Robin for like 5 minutes. No wonder he's hardly a presence in either game. If they could have at least brought him up a bit in City, they could've better hid the Arkham Knight "twist" even though we all knew from the jump.

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I was more upset at Tim x Barbara. Dicky G is right there!

She's wearing a Dick Grayson pendant through the whole game. It makes no sense to me. Like when Black Widow wore an arrow through all of Winter Soldier and then suddenly Hawkeye has a wife and kids in Ultron.

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There also wasn't a single stealth section that used those beeping collars that alert surrounding goons when you take one down, and I'm pretty sure the ability to make the last few goons completely go insane with fear by doing perfect stealth is gone as well, in a game about fear.

Watching the last guy go completely insane and torturing him with intentionally missed batarangs is one of my favorite things

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Watching the last guy go completely insane and torturing him with intentionally missed batarangs is one of my favorite things

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Yeah, the fact that Arkham Asylum clearly didn't intend on sequels in continuity really screwed things up for them.

Nah, what really messed things up is that Asylum clearly takes place in an "established" universe, specifically one that was heavily based on BTAS but incorporated some comic book stuff as well, because they correctly identified that that's much more fun and conducive to a game about the inmates running the asylum than giving a bunch of villains' origins, but then City and obviously Origins decided they wanted some of that sweet sweet "first appearance of" cheddar and completely hosed things up.

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The best was dropping directly in front of the last guy and have him straight up drop his gun or put his hands up in terror.

Disable their gun and then drop behind and wait for them to turn around, panic, try to shoot you, and panic more when they can't.

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Pre QTE Telltale strikes me as an entirely different company than the one that exists now. They had a very good sense of puzzle design and comedy. They seem really intent on going whole hog with this new choice simulator approach, whether it fits the tone of the license or not *coughJurassicParkcough*.

To be fair Jurassic Park was their very first try at a game like that, and it was functionally a prototype for Walking Dead season 1. They had no idea how it would turn out.

Jurassic Park was definitely garbage, but it also had some interesting ideas, like how there are a couple of conversations where it gives you control over every character's dialogue, not just the perspective one, so you're effectively having a debate with yourself. I would have liked to see more of that and less of the terrible, no good, very bad QTEs.

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They're not the first adventure game dev to do that, though. Dreamfall did the same thing at a couple of points when the different protagonists cross paths and you play both parts of the dialogue.

And one thing I'm not sure I highlighted about GotG, but it's nice that movie-Starlord has a defined enough personality that you don't get tripped up by the brief snippits in the dialogue tree. Telling Rocket "Need a hand, buddy?" isn't misleading, because you know Peter's going to be a smug dick about it.

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Nah, what really messed things up is that Asylum clearly takes place in an "established" universe, specifically one that was heavily based on BTAS but incorporated some comic book stuff as well, because they correctly identified that that's much more fun and conducive to a game about the inmates running the asylum than giving a bunch of villains' origins, but then City and obviously Origins decided they wanted some of that sweet sweet "first appearance of" cheddar and completely hosed things up.

Origins should have been set further in the past, because ol' Bruce goes through three Robins and a Batgirl in the course of 10 years and that's not a good look.

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Origins should have been set further in the past, because ol' Bruce goes through three Robins and a Batgirl in the course of 10 years and that's not a good look.

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That's essentially what they did with New 52 Batman in the comics, except it's 4 Robins and a Batgirl in half the time.
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Yeah but that's all Dr. Manhattan's fault.
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Origins should have been set further in the past, because ol' Bruce goes through three Robins and a Batgirl in the course of 10 years and that's not a good look.

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And two of the Batgirls who were there before the last Robin were removed and only added in later with new backstories.

That's a whole other thing, I'm complaining about how at the start of New 52 it's established that Batman has been Batmaning for 5 years and he's had 4 Robins, one of which died and was brought back to life and now shoots people.

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Origins should have been set further in the past, because ol' Bruce goes through three Robins and a Batgirl in the course of 10 years and that's not a good look.

Origins shouldn't have been made at all because the entire premise is whacked. Bruce just happens to meet like 3/4 of his rogue's gallery for the first time in one night, and all those encounters are totally underwhelming and stupid, whereas Asylum and to a lesser extent City at least mostly relied on the idea that Bruce has met most of these guys before and had altercations with them that didn't get resolved in 20 minutes.

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Played A Matter of Family last night, and I can't help but feel that they should have had Jason instead of Tim as Robin in it. It would have given him a bit more to his character. Also it makes me realise that the movement abilities in Knight are pretty good, to the point where I can't think of a time when I needed the Line Launcher, so I'm always thrown when there's a puzzle I need it for because I just completely forget about it.

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Played A Matter of Family last night, and I can't help but feel that they should have had Jason instead of Tim as Robin in it. It would have given him a bit more to his character. Also it makes me realise that the movement abilities in Knight are pretty good, to the point where I can't think of a time when I needed the Line Launcher, so I'm always thrown when there's a puzzle I need it for because I just completely forget about it.

I agree. After building up a relationship between the two in a few audio tapes, I think that would've made more sense. The timeline is so messed up.

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