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Is it the same one that has Quicksilver explaining why he's always so pissed off? If so, also one of my favorites.
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I think Number One Fan was in a different issue. This one was all in the heads of the characters. It's the ultimate talking heads issue, but I don't think you can really criticize it for the usual critiques that get lobbed at say Bendis.
In its defense, that book came out in ninteen-ninety-loving-three. We were a good seven years away from when Bendis was Bendis-ing all over a mainstream Marvel comic.

I dug Peter David' run out of my comic boxes a couple of years ago, and I was struck by A) how much more uneven it was than I had remembered, and B) how contemporary it felt in tone and pacing. It was really operating on a level of wry self-awareness that's basically become the new normal for internet-era comics.

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In its defense, that book came out in ninteen-ninety-loving-three. We were a good seven years away from when Bendis was Bendis-ing all over a mainstream Marvel comic.

I dug Peter David' run out of my comic boxes a couple of years ago, and I was struck by A) how much more uneven it was than I had remembered, and B) how contemporary it felt in tone and pacing. It was really operating on a level of wry self-awareness that's basically become the new normal for internet-era comics.

I'm a Bendis fan and don't mind the talking heads stuff. I just find it funny that people are willing to give this issue a pass while complaining about the latter.

And yeah, PAD X-Factor was the best X-Factor. I think it's pretty telling that David was able to parlay his under two years of the original series into a very long run in volume 2, which was effectively just a continuation of the tone and style of his first with a dramatically similar cast. I think that got him to the point that he has written a majority of all X-factor issues period now. If I was smarter as a kid, I'd have been trying to find the other books he was doing at the time. But I was dumb and penciler-oriented like every kid of the 90s.

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Bendis does go back to that well pretty often (and is far more ubiquitous than PAD was even at his peak output), so it's a bit more noticeable. I can certainly see the complaint, though I rather like Bendis.

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The art in X-Men Blue fell off a cliff this week, holy poo poo.

Oh, good - I thought it was just me. Writing is still solid though.

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That's Bastion, Emma and Ms. Sinister near the end right? Who's the red one?

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That's Bastion, Emma and Ms. Sinister near the end right? Who's the red one?

Not sure, though I think the other three are all right. Maybe like Danger with a red color scheme? I can kind of see her dreads in that, but she's not exactly an existential threat to the X-men.

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Maybe like Danger with a red color scheme? I can kind of see her dreads in that, but she's not exactly an existential threat to the X-men.

I don't think it's Danger because where she's sitting doesn't fit, but at the same time, the character, as drawn, isn't ringing any bells either.

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That's Bastion, Emma and Ms. Sinister near the end right? Who's the red one?

What if it was Apocalypse in a new host body? I mean, that dude never dies...even when he dies...

Who was that that Sinister was operating on?

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Who was that that Sinister was operating on?

The uniform looked like Quicksilver's to me, but the art was so lovely who even knows? Could Evil Glowing Eyes be the return of the Shadow King maybe?

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The uniform looked like Quicksilver's to me, but the art was so lovely who even knows? Could Evil Glowing Eyes be the return of the Shadow King maybe?

I was thinking it was Quicksilver too!

I was also thinking that it was probably one of the Marauders since clones of them are everywhere.

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So I guess we can assume we're not actually supposed to know who that 4th one is yet.

That's obviously the answer, but...



The grammar of the scene suggests to me that if they were supposed to be a mystery, they'd be the last one introduced. Having it be A, ?, B, C is a weird order to put it in. If it went A, B, C, ? I don't think anybody would even be concerned.

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I guess they wanted to hit Emma on the worst among them part?

Also that must be alternate Quicksilver they just fought in the bar when they recruited Jimmy. Although the uniform then had short sleeves.

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Well it looks like it's supposed to be a woman, which I infer chiefly from the hair. The red outfit only makes me think of Rachel's hound outfit but nothing about that makes any sense. Oh, maybe it's M/plate? The science lab bedroom setting doesn't suggest anything to me either.

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Also that must be alternate Quicksilver they just fought in the bar when they recruited Jimmy. Although the uniform then had short sleeves.

It could just be a clone, it is Sinister after all.

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I googled around and it does seem to be Monet. Emplate possessed her during Bunn's Uncanny run, which I didn't read.

I figured it couldn't have been meant to be a reveal, or reviews/discussions would mention it.

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I googled around and it does seem to be Monet. Emplate possessed her during Bunn's Uncanny run, which I didn't read.

I figured it couldn't have been meant to be a reveal, or reviews/discussions would mention it.

Yeah, it was not a great run but that's mostly because it was Greg Land at his worst and so it was exceptionally hard to follow (for me at least.)

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I googled around and it does seem to be Monet. Emplate possessed her during Bunn's Uncanny run, which I didn't read.

I figured it couldn't have been meant to be a reveal, or reviews/discussions would mention it.

Oh that's right! But I thought she just popped up in Generation X?

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Oh that's right! But I thought she just popped up in Generation X?

She did.

But she was also on an earlier Blue splash page of upcoming enemies, so who knows. Crossover arc?

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Here's the X-Men Books/Stories in Legacy

All New Wolverine #25 - Orphans of X
Astonishing X-Men #7 - A Man Called X
Cable #150 - The Newer Mutants
Generation X #85 - OG Gen X
Iceman #6 - Champions Reassembled
Jean Grey #8 - Psych War
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Weapon X #12 - Nuke-clear War
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Are they counting mini series in the renumbering?

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Is anything even renumbered there outside of Gen X and Cable? Astonishing isn't, Weapon X isn't. Is OML?

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Is anything even renumbered there outside of Gen X and Cable? Astonishing isn't, Weapon X isn't. Is OML?

With Weapon X, isn't there just the AoA book? That's only a couple issues and not really related to the current book. OML is the same thing; the original arc was published under the Wolverine heading and including the Secret Wars series only gets you another five issues, which is probably a small enough boost to be legit confusing.

I'm more surprised that they're keeping Blue and Gold the same, given that they're basically straight continuations of All-New and Uncanny, respectively. You could even throw the original run of The X-Men in with Blue if you wanted.

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No there was a Weapon X book which ran for about 20 issues in the mid-Oughts I think. Frank Tieri wrote it iirc.

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It had a series of minis before the ongoing started. I don't remember it being bad either. It started out with some interesting things, including "The Director" who was obsessed with taking down Weapon X because Wolverine maimed his face during the initial Weapon X breakout. I never read the actual ending of the series so I'm not sure how much gets resolved in the end. I can say without a doubt it was the only comic I ever read that featured Kane and made him interesting.

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It had a series of minis before the ongoing started. I don't remember it being bad either. It started out with some interesting things, including "The Director" who was obsessed with taking down Weapon X because Wolverine maimed his face during the initial Weapon X breakout. I never read the actual ending of the series so I'm not sure how much gets resolved in the end. I can say without a doubt it was the only comic I ever read that featured Kane and made him interesting.

I honestly think that how it ended was not in the main series but a limited series set in the future. (This is all from memory so large chunks of it may be wrong.)
They did a Days of the Future Past type thing where the Weapon X program got so big and sentinel focused that they took over the world and put everyone in concentration camps. And it was being run by John Sublime, I think.

In the end they try to send Wolverine's mind back in time to stop it, but he get's killed. So they have to send the Director back in time to do it. But they screw up and send him back in time to when he's a guard in the original Weapon X breakout. And he get's to relive his face mauling.

Edit: It was called Weapon X: Days of a Future Now.

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I'm finally getting around to reading all of the Claremont X-Men run. Greatly enjoying it.

Just wanted to say that Mastermind is the loving worst. Shaw isn't a Nazi and im not sure why Kevin Bacon was cast as this dude. The Hellfire Club is amazing, and I love it.

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Sebastian Shaw is at times a dick, and other times is pretty awesome.

Claremont's X-Men is great, the stuff from around the time Secret Wars takes place onwards is a real rollercoaster of plot threads building up before finally getting paid off. Sure some of them get dropped for a while before being brought back to get resolved but for the most part it's really well constructed.

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Just wanted to say that Mastermind is the loving worst. Shaw isn't a Nazi and im not sure why Kevin Bacon was cast as this dude. The Hellfire Club is amazing, and I love it.

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Fun fact(s): the Hellfire Club as portrayed in the comic is based on an episode of home made naked pics The Avengers and Mastermind's appearance is based on Peter Wyngarde, who played the villain in said episode; the character's name combines Wyngarde's surname with the forename of his most famous character, Jason King.

The other major members of the Inner Circle were likewise based visually on and named for actors who were popular in the 60s and 70s: Sebastian Shaw is Robert Shaw; Donald Pierce was Donald Sutherland; Harry Leland was based on Orson Welles and named after Harry Lime); Emma Frost is a bit of the odd one out, but I believe she's named for Emma Peel.

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It should be noted for anyone unaware, but "The Avengers" mentioned above is a 60s British tv show and nothing to do with the Marvel comic.

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Also for those unaware, the Hellfire Club is a real thing.
They have their origins as a gentlemen club in Victorian times and were more about men having sex with brazzers rather than world domination.

They have a club in the Wicklow mountains. I have never been there but I believe it's less building robot genocide machines and more a place to drink.

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There's a very odd phase of the Hellfire Club in the comics leading up to the Mutant Massacre where they become an actual supervillain team and start wearing really dorky-looking costumes. I suppose they were easier to draw than the Regency costumes.

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Uncanny X-Men 137...holy loving poo poo. I started with giant sized X-Men and then read 94 to here. This is the best single comics issue ive read in a long time.

These issues are dense. Like modern comics would turn of these single issues into mini series for sure.

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I can't stop laughing right now. Marvel Canada is hilarious!



They had to make a LAW!

Are you listening to X-Plain the X-Men? They go arc by arc through the mutants stuff starting with the reboot. And boy do they make hay out of "Marvel Canada is some crazy country full of intelligence agents and demons" along with lots of other good in-jokes (see: butte sex) while giving some pretty good notes from people (or at least one of them) who does work in the industry and looks at a lot of the way the art is done on the issues.

And, yeah, early Claremont X-Men is incredible. Really, the series is at its best during Dark Phoenix, but is still very good all the way through Claremont's departure right after the launch of adjectiveless. You are going to want to start reading New Mutants and X-Factor when they start up. The first few issues of the latter are rough, but once Simonson gets on-board things get better very quickly.

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No, but that sounds like something I want to listen to!

I've read Morrison's New Mutants before and love it. I'll check out X-factor.

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