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I mean if you get off on arms breaking and power-sawing criminals or even better completely vapid sex scenes set to horribly out of tune music in a movie full of wooden acting and shite nixon makeup, you do you.

Thank you, I appreciate your permission it's very generous.

"out of tune"? You should always adjust your audio-visual settings when watching Snyder stuff. Your set-up must have been bad, better check it and watch the movie again.

It's ok to make fun of Nixon, he was an ugly man. As for the scene you posted, Laurie has a strained relationship with her mother, they're not close but distant. And Sally certainly isn't wooden, she's all ham baby!

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Just let the poor guy not like a boring movie.

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I can relate to his issue with wooden acting, but it has been stated many times around these parts that Ackerman just didn't work in Watchmen. Someone mentioned earlier that she doesn't carry the naivete that Silk Spectre 2 has in the comic and I kind of have to wonder if the performance would have been better if she tried that. It could be a direction issue, no reason to discount that, but it certainly gives a certain feel to all the scenes she's in.

Also when people talk about Nite Owl's schlubbiness from the comics, I kind of took that away from the movie as well. Sure Patrick Wilson is built as gently caress but he's just so hollow. He's a recluse who tinkers, he hangs out with his mentor and with Rorschach but he seems to have no life of his own. It is actually a great teardown of Bruce Wayne, you take away the "billionaire playboy" aspect of him and you get exactly what Patrick brought to Watchmen.

Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne honestly isn't far off, like compare The Dark Knight with Watchmen and their characters are pretty similar. One just has a prestige built in

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Also when people talk about Nite Owl's schlubbiness from the comics, I kind of took that away from the movie as well. Sure Patrick Wilson is built as gently caress but he's just so hollow. He's a recluse who tinkers, he hangs out with his mentor and with Rorschach but he seems to have no life of his own. It is actually a great teardown of Bruce Wayne, you take away the "billionaire playboy" aspect of him and you get exactly what Patrick brought to Watchmen.

Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne honestly isn't far off, like compare The Dark Knight with Watchmen and their characters are pretty similar. One just has a prestige built in

I think I said in some previous iteration of this conversation, Nite Owl is real sex on stage middle-class Batman.

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I just took it as Silk Spectre sucking in general, which made her work.

I don't disparage people's opinions, but am full on taking a film for its own merits. I'll review any random lovely movie of choosing that someone wants for me to give the criticsm of how Watchmen was reviewed as a comparison.

Basically, as basis you erase preconceptions from your mind and ask:

a) what was the director, etc. trying to do?

and

b) what did you personally get from this film?

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Snyder simply continued in the tradition of Schuster, Siegel and Byrne and reinterpreted him to fit in more in a modern era.

That’s one of the most frustrating things. Like how people were upset about Batman branding people when he did the same thing in his first TV appearances in like the 40s or whatever it was.

Was it SMG that said nerds don’t actually want accurate comic book movies?

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That’s one of the most frustrating things. Like how people were upset about Batman branding people when he did the same thing in his first TV appearances in like the 40s or whatever it was.

Was it SMG that said nerds don’t actually want accurate comic book movies?

Yes. SMG said that what fans actually want is "fixed" versions of comic stories, to give the "true version" see Ultron, Age of and War, Civil etc.

My favorite version of comic fans not actually reading comics is when noted shitstain Max Landis complained about BvS, specifically Thomas Wayne clenching his fist to punch Joe Chill, saying how it was all that dudebro Hack Snyder inventing that, thinking it makes Thomas cool to put up a fight etc, which sounds good and all except if you've actually read The Dark Knight Returns (arguably the most famous Batman story), where in Bruce's flashback to that night...Thomas clenches his fist to fight Joe Chill.

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Was it SMG that said nerds don’t actually want accurate comic book movies?
The biggest complaint when Watchmen was released was that it was, if anything, too faithful.

So his view holds up.

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Yes. SMG said that what fans actually want is "fixed" versions of comic stories, to give the "true version" see Ultron, Age of and War, Civil etc.

My favorite version of comic fans not actually reading comics is when noted shitstain Max Landis complained about BvS, specifically Thomas Wayne clenching his fist to punch Joe Chill, saying how it was all that dudebro Hack Snyder inventing that, thinking it makes Thomas cool to put up a fight etc, which sounds good and all except if you've actually read The Dark Knight Returns (arguably the most famous Batman story), where in Bruce's flashback to that night...Thomas clenches his fist to fight Joe Chill.

So adapting a very famous story accurately isn't actually what they want. Or maybe they just have no reading comprehension.

lol, max landis is the exact clueless moron comic book nerds imagine snyder to be

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A few screen shots from a video clip Snyder posted earlier today with the caption “This is caring”







It was flying over the WB studios.

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A few screen shots from a video clip Snyder posted earlier today with the caption “This is caring”







It was flying over the WB studios.

Apparently the group that did this also made a nice donation to a suicide prevention organization as well.

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Apparently the group that did this also made a nice donation to a suicide prevention organization as well.
I was just reading about this. The guy has done several fundraisers and always ties them into Snyder/DCEU stuff. He’s raised a few thousand for the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention.

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Yes. SMG said that what fans actually want is "fixed" versions of comic stories, to give the "true version" see Ultron, Age of and War, Civil etc.

Right: Watchmen is perceived as ‘the realistic comic’, and the only thing holding back from black amateur sex tubes total realism are these drat illustrations, with their lines and colours. In the comic, the sky in Vietnam is pink with yellow clouds.

The ideal Watchmen is, in other words, not a comic.

But then, note how the complaints over the film always center things that betray that it is film. Speed-ramping, for example, is a distortion that reveals the hand of the artist, manipulating the frame-rate. Artifice is the enemy.

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Apr 3, 2010



Superman is the worst about this because a majority of people don't actually know anything about Superman. They have an idea of Superman in their head but they don't actually know poo poo about the character.

So when Snyder made his movie and gave them Superman, of course they rejected it because his character, however faithful to the comics, could never match the character in their imagination.

I bet thee same people are the types who complained before MoS that "Superman is boring because he's too powerful."

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I will say, I actually liked MoS towards the start. I dig the idea of Superman just backpacking across America, messing up jerks who give women the hassle, and helping out with industrial accidents or natural disasters.

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Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!


It all comes back to the fact that there is no "one" definitive interpretation of a character like Superman or Batman, Spider-Man, or any other of their storied superhero contemporaries. They're characters who have lived and survived by being passed hand-to-hand from writer-to-writer and artist-to-artist. Costumes change, slang changes, allegiances change. Comics are a rare medium that is in a constant state of evolution (or devolution, as is sometimes the case). Multimedia adaptions are another chapter in that long saga. Snyder's interpretation of Superman is as valid as the Paul Dini/Bruce Timm animated version, which was as valid as the Fleischer cartoon, as was the George Reeves version, and the radio play version, and so on. That's how you know a character is a true titan of pop culture: rebirth and redefinition. Look at Dracula, or Frankenstein's monster. Look at The Shadow, or Zorro. That different voices even have something new to nude teen ex gf say about these character is relevant unto itself.

The only thing that differentiates Watchmen is that up until recently it had a much narrower field of voices involved. Zack Snyder was the first new voice to speak on it. Now, even that is ultimately no longer new, as DC has brought the entire universe of Watchmen into their mainstream fold. Whether you like or dislike what is done with these characters with new handlers is ultimately a matter of personal taste and professional execution, but the idea that someone was wrong for miss california nude photo trying to do something with them is just... horrible near-sighted, and stands in direct opposition of the nature of the comic book medium itself.

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He was also kind of a dick, employing Batman-like torture tactics to get confessions.

It's all in like the first few issues. I read the first 15 or 20 forever ago.

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It all comes back to the fact that there is no "one" definitive interpretation of a character like Superman or Batman, Spider-Man, or any other of their storied superhero contemporaries. They're characters who have lived and survived by being passed hand-to-hand from writer-to-writer and artist-to-artist. Costumes change, slang changes, allegiances change. Comics are a rare medium that is in a constant state of evolution (or devolution, as is sometimes the case). Multimedia adaptions are another chapter in that long saga. Snyder's interpretation of Superman is as valid as the Paul Dini/Bruce Timm animated version, which was as valid as the Fleischer cartoon, as was the George Reeves version, and the radio play version, and so on. That's how you know a character is a true titan of pop culture: rebirth and redefinition. Look at Dracula, or Frankenstein's monster. Look at The Shadow, or Zorro. That different voices even have something new to mature old lady porn say about these character is relevant unto itself.

The only thing that differentiates Watchmen is that up until recently it had a much narrower field of voices involved. Zack Snyder was the first new voice to speak on it. Now, even that is ultimately no longer new, as DC has brought the entire universe of Watchmen into their mainstream fold. Whether you like or dislike what is done with these characters with new handlers is ultimately a matter of personal taste and professional execution, but the idea that someone was wrong for ben ten sex story trying to do something with them is just... horrible near-sighted, and stands in direct opposition of the nature of the comic book medium itself.

Don't forget Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman! Dean Cain is my all time favorite Clark Kent. He's just so snarky and I think the show was excellent for what it was. Good casting helps.
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I'm sorry I missed "The AV Club Presents: gently caress Zack Snyder, An Ongoing Series" but I have an entry to present to you all.

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A lot of popular historical fiction—the type we see in games and movies and television—is full of poo poo. We’re so used to it being full of poo poo that, when Assassin’s Creed Odyssey opens during the Battle of Thermopylae, which, because it’s set in ancient Greece, is apparently obligatory, the player is mentally prepared for a very stupid video game.

Thermopylae is probably most associated now with its portrayal in Zack Snyder’s meat-headed 300. The movie’s depiction of the clash between Spartan warriors and invading Persians recast it as a heroic clash between the forces of the freedom-loving, honorable West and the nefarious, totalitarian East. This understanding of history is a fiction useful only to racists and morons. It’s best taken about as seriously as the physics of Gerard Butler’s slow-motion combat acrobatics, and it represents a historical stance that Odyssey, thankfully, rejects and complicates within its first hours. From its very introduction, the game makes clear it is uninterested in the dopey simplicity of ancient Greece as envisioned by Snyder (and Frank Miller’s comic book source material), preferring instead to embrace a more cynical, but honest, look at the fifth century B.C.

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To be fair, video game critique is utter trash 90%. They don't understand themes or motifs or gameplay reflecting story.

A game about ancient Greek being in the style of the old epics with a demigod protagonist doing incredible poo poo. It's not exactly subtle with its inspiration but that's apparently a bad thing. So them trying their hand at movie analysis would go as expected.

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To be fair, video game critique is utter trash 90%. They don't understand themes or motifs or gameplay reflecting story.

A game about ancient Greek being in the style of the old epics with a demigod protagonist doing incredible poo poo. It's not exactly subtle with its inspiration but that's apparently a bad thing. So them trying their hand at movie analysis would go as expected.

But judging from that paragraph, it seems like they're just regurgitating popular ultrawoke readings of a film they saw years ago.

ironically, I think "300 is a depiction of Spartan propaganda meant to evoke our perception of the US military and our dehumanization of the enemy into literal mutants and monsters" is probably a more "woke" take than "300 is fascist and pro-war"

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Jun 9, 2007



The thing to keep in mind is that the vast majority of people watching these movies have never read a comic, and even the hardcore nerds are only familiar with a handful of ‘tropes’.

Batman killed people and used guns until he decided not to traumatize young Robin. Nerds don’t even know that the no-kill rule is Robin’s thing, not Batman’s.

Another example is that Watchmen is of course a Blue Beetle, Peacemaker, and Thunderbolt (etc.) comic with the names changed. Yet nobody complains that it gets Thunderbolt wrong - because there’s no meme telling you what to think about Thunderbolt.

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I will say, I actually liked MoS towards the start. I dig the idea of Superman just backpacking across America, messing up jerks who give women the hassle, and helping out with industrial accidents or natural disasters.

Check out the Bill Bixby "The Incredible Hulk" TV show for a whole show of that.

It's funny, watching it as a kid, I was all about the Hulk scenes, but revisiting it as an adult, I now find the stuff with Banner far more interesting. And Bixby was so underrated as an actor.

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I'm sorry I missed "The AV Club Presents: gently caress Zack Snyder, An Ongoing Series" but I have an entry to present to you all.


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Whoever wrote that AC Odyssey review basically earnestly did the "giant enemy crab" thing.

I don't think they played very much of AC Odyssey either because that game cribs as much from the highly stylized depictions of Spartans in 300 as it does actual historical Spartans.

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lol, max landis is the exact clueless moron comic book nerds imagine snyder to be

The moment I knew Max Landis was an idiot was when he posted the ten billionth variation on the “all superhero stories must be inherently optimistic” take but he has videos still up on his YouTube channel praising Watchmen and pitching a Superman story where Wonder Woman has her spine broken and Blue Beetle is ripped in half.

So in other words the same things he does to his girlfriends

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The moment I knew Max Landis was an idiot was when he posted the ten billionth variation on the “all superhero stories must be inherently optimistic” take but he has videos still up on his YouTube channel praising Watchmen and pitching a Superman story where Wonder Woman has her spine broken and Blue Beetle is ripped in half.

So in other words the same things he does to his girlfriends

He also compared the recent uptick of people defending the Star Wars prequels to racists trying to preserve Confederate monuments.

And, yeah, he was revealed to be an utter creep to women.

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Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!


Max Landis is cut from the same cloth as so many other nerds that earnestly believe that they can “save” a franchise through their definitive take, which is in fact just a derivative remix of other ideas. Those takes almost always start with “I like this percentage of the story, but here’s how I would change the third act” or something. And really it’s just building a Frankenstein’s monster out of disparate concepts, with no genuine throughline.

“I’d keep MoS the same, except I would have Superman save everyone and not kill Zod.”

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He also compared the recent uptick of people defending the Star Wars prequels to racists trying to preserve Confederate monuments.

And, yeah, he was revealed to be an utter creep to women.

He has a trend of doing that. He’s hardly the first to make this generalization but I remember a tweet where he said the people who like BvS are “almost certainly all voting Trump.”

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Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!


“If you want a Superman who saves everyone, you could watch Superman Returns. The climax is him literally singlehandidly saving Metropolis’ citizens from various disasters.”

“No, it’s boring. I want to see Superman punch someone through a building.”

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He has a trend of doing that. He’s hardly the first to make this generalization but I remember a tweet where he said the people who like BvS are “almost certainly all voting Trump.”

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He has a trend of doing that. He’s hardly the first to make this generalization but I remember a tweet where he said the people who like BvS are “almost certainly all voting Trump.”

ugh, thanks for reminding me of a goon (I think it was Guy Goodbody before they re-reged) saying that liking BvS is the equivalent of being a racist. Not arguing that BvS itself was racist, just that you're as bad as one.

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Well, did they

well, a lot of Snyder/DCEU fans I follow on twitter are women/PoC/part of the LGBT community, soooo hopefully most of them didn't.

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