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Sir Kodiak
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Ah, I meant from Batman's perspective at the time he saw the Flash. Batman already hates Superman so the Flash's message makes sense at that point to him, but could the Flash have been talking about someone else that would be readily apparent without Batman's feelings about Superman clouding his perspective?

I don't think who it is would make sense to Bruce at the time, even without his obsession with Superman. That's the importance of Flash saying he's there at the wrong time.

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You have to remember Flash can’t be talking about Superman in the negative because by the time Bruce meets Barry, the whole entirety of BvS and some of JL has already happened, putting Bruce squarely in the “Crusaders For Kal-El” fan group.

So in all likelihood Flash is saying Lois is the key to bringing Superman back, and that he was right about him in that he’s the proof that there’s still goodness in the world and all the stuff Bruce talks about at the end of BvS and somewhere in JL.

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"You were always right about him! Fear him! Fear him and find us. You have to come find us, Bruce!"

Could be referring to Bruce trying to get them together by telling them about Darkseid or something, but Flash or the others being completely skeptical and not believing.

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"You were always right about him! Fear him! Fear him and find us. You have to come find us, Bruce!"

Could be referring to Bruce trying to get them together by telling them about Darkseid or something, but Flash or the others being completely skeptical and not believing.

I guess the issue is that Flash *could* be talking about three or four different topics but they're all running together because he has so little time.

"[Lois] is the key!" = convince Superman to come out of hiding after rising from his grave; only by protecting the world can you save Lois.

"You were right about him! You were always right about him!" = Like Al says, talking about Steppenwolf or Darkseid? He can't be talking about Superman, because Bruce hated Superman for 95% of the time he knew him.

"Fear him! Fear him and find us!" = Talking about the cosmic horrors coming to earth?

Edit: But it's an excellent point that we can't know what he's talking about because he was too early.

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You have to remember Flash can’t be talking about Superman in the negative because by the time Bruce meets Barry, the whole entirety of BvS and some of JL has already happened, putting Bruce squarely in the “Crusaders For Kal-El” fan group.

So in all likelihood Flash is saying Lois is the key to bringing Superman back, and that he was right about him in that he’s the proof that there’s still goodness in the world and all the stuff Bruce talks about at the end of BvS and somewhere in JL.

It could also mean that Flash/whoever is against Superman coming back or too much of a risk to bring back, and what we're seeing is a regretful Flash rather than a vindicated one.

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Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000



I thought the whole point of a resurrected Superman was that he could come back even stronger.

He's no longer a divisive figure. The whole world is mourning his death and will celebrate his return. He no longer needs to worry up upsetting people when he acts. They have realized that he really was trying to be a force for good.

His worldview was made simpler by his love for Lois. In the dream sequence with his dad, Jonathan tells him the story of accidentally flooding his neighbours farm while saving his own. He realized that doing good always results in others suffering. It was his love for Martha that "cured" him of that. She convinced him there was still good in this world and she became his world.

Clark had the same realization in the final moments in the battle with Doomsday. He realizes what his dad meant and tells Lois that he loves her. He's not thinking about saving the world, just saving her.

Instead of brooding and questioning his place in the world like we saw in MoS and BvS he can now embrace being symbol of hope.

It also dawned on me that Jor-El was stabbed in the back by Zod and Clark was stabbed in the chest by Zod's reanimated (and deformed) corpse.

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Return of the King is definitely the kind of movie that is amazing in a packed theater on opening night but then you watch it again a couple of years later and

Holy poo poo it's long. I mean, everyone mocks the 12 endings or whatever, but every scene and shot in it runs just a little too long. Even quick cut action scenes have shots are just a couple of frames too long. I think that's why the endings bugged people so much, because it wasn't exactly lightning paced up to that point.

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Ah, I meant from Batman's perspective at the time he saw the Flash. Batman already hates Superman so the Flash's message makes sense at that point to him, but could the Flash have been talking about someone else that would be readily apparent without Batman's feelings about Superman clouding his perspective?

The Flash scene is the best, because it's Batman's 'Paul on the Road to Damascus' moment, and Paul fucks it up, misinterpreting the vision and doubling down.

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I can't help but wonder if the plot of the movie is basically gonna be the part of Dragon Ball Z where Vegeta first comes to Earth, Goku's dead (but on his way back to the world of the living), and the rest of the squad does their best until he flies up and goes Krypto-ken times 100 on the baddie.

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I don't know if you're aware of this but over in the Comic Book Thread we literally have a poster saying that killing 2/3rds of the world's population is "actually right if you think about it"

Buh? Zuh??

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I don't know if you're aware of this but over in the Comic Book Thread we literally have a poster saying that killing 2/3rds of the world's population is "actually right if you think about it"
That guy's just played too much Deus Ex.

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An evil Superman would have been dumb anyway. No need to justify Bruce's position in Batman v Superman because it was toxic and bad. If you're script makes people "maybe Bruce was right in Batman v Superman" then you hosed up. Also don't need more xenophobia in the world. It's why I dislike the whole Injustice storyline and all the praise those two games get, especially from people who criticized these films' depiction of Superman.

Because apparently him killing Zod was terrible but him murdering other villains and imposing totalitarian fascism is really awesome compelling stuff. What?

killing fascist bad, being fascist good?

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Jul 19, 2007

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I hope it's revealed that Darkseid has been trying to take control of Superman ever since he went public, and the moment he snapped Zod's neck was when he was briefly mentally controlled by Darkseid, just for the reactions it would provoke.

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I hope Superman gives a big inspiring speech in the next movie's confrontation with Darkseid and his response is to glower and say "tell that to zod's snapped neck"

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Mar 8, 2007
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I hope during an action scene a narrowly escaping bystander exclaims "Jesus Christ!" as a building collapses or something and in the corner of the shot we see Superman reel back in agony with his arms out and wounds on his hands from the battle.

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I guess the issue is that Flash *could* be talking about three or four different topics but they're all running together because he has so little time.

"[Lois] is the key!" = convince Superman to come out of hiding after rising from his grave; only by protecting the world can you save Lois.

"You were right about him! You were always right about him!" = Like Al says, talking about Steppenwolf or Darkseid? He can't be talking about Superman, because Bruce hated Superman for 95% of the time he knew him.

"Fear him! Fear him and find us!" = Talking about the cosmic horrors coming to earth?

Edit: But it's an excellent point that we can't know what he's talking about because he was too early.

maybe it's just an incredibly poorly thought out string of gibberish that will never be brought up ever again, which would not surprise me in the least

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maybe it's just an incredibly poorly thought out string of gibberish that will never be brought up ever again, which would not surprise me in the least

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There's probably some moment where Bruce doubts himself and considers giving up on the idea of creating the League, but then he remembers that Flash said "you were right about him!", and so he pushes on and it turns out the full League is needed to take down Darkseid. If that's the case I guess it would mean there was a version of the future where Batman never forms the League and The Flash finds out about it after the fact when Darkseid has already won.

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Yeah I'm going to guess it's gonna come back up.

Yup.

You were right about him sounds like he's right about Superman being a threat and to develop contingencies, Lois is the key to turning Superman good, and fear him refers to Darkseid/Steppenwolf with find us being his cause to unite the 7 for the new Age of Heroes

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I hope the Flash's message ends up being some super roundabout key to saving Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen.

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Jimmy Olsen is interesting, because people are mad he died, but he's only Jimmy Olsen in the extended edition, but it still counts. But people are also mad at Superman for not helping save people at the Capitol, which he did in the extended edition, but because it isn't the theatrical cut it doesn't count.

He's both alive and dead.

I'll say it was just a CIA agent using his name and credentials, personally.

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The funny part is people pretending to care about Jimmy Olsen.

As one of the handful of real Jimmy Olsen fans (having read Jimmy Olsen comics), I am glad to see horrible things happen to him. That's basically the point.

e: Jimmy Olsen has at various points been a giant turtle-man, a human porcupine, monarch of his own island, a Nazi war hero, Marco Polo, and several beautiful women. Being a CIA agent is hardly the weirdest development for him.

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I don't care (that) much about Jimmy Olsen, I thought it was hilarious how angry the internet got when it was revealed that guy was him. I just think it would be funny if the Flash's message is forgotten about/explained away as some not super world shattering thing. Like "Lois is the key" because unlike Aquaman Lois doesn't gently caress up everyone's order when her turn to get takeout for the League. I'd genuinely prefer that entire scene from BvS being the equivalent of a Flash drunk dial time travel. The rest of the League in the future laughing about it while Aquaman fumes in a corner. It'd also be great because you'd see the series lambasted for years for being too dark and too grim or whatever get slammed for being too silly or not respecting the characters enough.

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They go to the fortress of solitude to put Superman in the rejuvenation chamber, and an old CRT says "ENTER PASSWORD". Batman, remembering the vision, types "L-O-I-S".

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They go to the fortress of solitude to put Superman in the rejuvenation chamber, and an old CRT says "ENTER PASSWORD". Batman, remembering the vision, types "M-Y-P-A-R-E-N-T-S-A-R-E-D-E-A-D".

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They go to the fortress of solitude to put Superman in the rejuvenation chamber, and an old CRT says "ENTER PASSWORD". Batman types "M-A-R-T-H-A".

Flash: How did you know my mother's name?

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I just hope they don't retcon it poorly to fit a new narrative that doesn't make a lot of sense. I haven't kept up with the Wonder Woman thread, but it was my basic understanding:

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Wonder Woman: "Actually, I found love and hope in mankind! I've been around this whole time!"


Honestly, though, I could be exaggerating how much explanation she provided in BvS for where she's been so maybe there isn't as big difference as I think. I should probably check out the Wonder Woman thread again.

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Jonathan Kent appears next to the rejuvenation chamber.

"Before you bring my son back to life, have you thought about the consequences? Do you think the world is ready for the reversal of death? If people knew a man could come back from the dead, how would they react?

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I just hope they don't retcon it poorly to fit a new narrative that doesn't make a lot of sense. I haven't kept up with the Wonder Woman thread, but it was my basic understanding:

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There's no contradiction between BvS and WW.

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Patty Jenkins said that there may be a "misunderstanding" between what Diana said and what audiences understood.

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Jimmy Olson was just fan wankery because the character got gender swapped in MOS and is Jenny Olson. Perry tries to save her in the rubble.

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Jimmy Olsen is interesting, because people are mad he died, but he's only Jimmy Olsen in the extended edition, but it still counts. But people are also mad at Superman for not helping save people at the Capitol, which he did in the extended edition, but because it isn't the theatrical cut it doesn't count.

He's both alive and dead.

I'll say it was just a CIA agent using his name and credentials, personally.

Just watched this again last night and holy poo poo I forgot how it just never seems to end. It starts out great, but after the first act or so the melodrama creeps in and sucks all the fun out of it.

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I have a generic Wonder Woman question. The trailer shows her dodging a bullet...but I thought she was pretty much bulletproof? Like maybe not Superman levels of invulnerable but at least immune to a regular mook's gun.

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I have a generic Wonder Woman question. The trailer shows her dodging a bullet...but I thought she was pretty much bulletproof? Like maybe not Superman levels of invulnerable but at least immune to a regular mook's gun.

Going by the Wonder Woman movie, this version of her isn't bulletproof but her magic armor and shield are.

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