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Your work sells even better if you make it be about Rick and Morty or a fetish so tying any personal ego to the idea the quality of your work is measured by its market value is a great recipe for becoming a depressed artist, yet Campbell's stuff was moving exceptionally well for a self-employed artist who doesn't know any billionaires well before they started posting those updates. Literally every indie comics and small press person has sold more poo poo on Kickstarter than on fuckin Twitter, one's a marketplace for buyers seeking smalltime craftspeople that transformed cottage industry and one's a forum for Nazis to shitpost.

Campbell's problem was they were neither experienced in managing a business no matter how popular nor neurochemically equipped to not zero in on the most negative possible interpretation of anything that was happening to them regardless of external circumstances, not that they were actually one of those leukemia kids forced to perform their misery to an audience on GoFundMe if they wanna live. They were a shrink and an accountant away from being a successful and beloved professional artist.

That's true. I'm just saying I can absolutely see how that experience would provoke a breakdown from someone.

Like, the reason they had to beg for money in the first place was because a bunch of Kickstarter backers asked for refunds for books that weren't going to arrive before Christmas, and Campbell gave them the refunds freely because they felt it was the right thing to do, then found themselves in the hole and needing to sell the original art for their strips as a result of doing this basically ethical thing. That's psychologically tough too.

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The Christmas refunds were ruinous because going into it Campbell's pricing structure had them making no/losing money on every book, and trying to make up for it with volume. A bunch of the first wave of Kickstarter adopters wiped out for basically the same reasons, I don't remember which it was who got driven to the poorhouse because they just didn't put a cap on some tiers they'd never checked that they could scale up without hemorrhaging money.

We're not disagreeing I'm just making clear how pathological the narrative was that their problem was they were being oppressed by their friends and supporters, and justified in lashing out, because some folks itt were talking about how persuasive and 'courageous' it was.

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Wait did Campbell really spend 30,000 dollars on printing 2000 books because if so, they totally got screwed over by their printer.

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The books nude hot lesbian girls did have a built-in compartment designed to contain a dead wasp. Not your standard printer's order, to be sure.

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The books tara reid porn star did have a built-in compartment designed to contain a dead wasp. Not your standard printer's order, to be sure.

That's true but going to a random website (that I may or may not have used to print comics in the past), $15/book is literally twice the price of what I'm quoted for, for a bigger, full colour book. (It's 4x the cost if we are looking at a greyscale book)

If it *is* true that dead wasps had a major role in ruining Campbell's life then wow

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Off the top of my head I think it was the shipping costs that cause the trouble. That's something that many kickstarters seem neglect to think about and run into trouble with.

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Off the top of my head I think it was the shipping costs that cause the trouble. That's something that many kickstarters seem neglect to think about and run into trouble with.

The account I'm reading says it cost them 30k USD to print 2000 books, then more for the wasps, which left not enough to do shipping, especially after refunds.

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I thought that wasp thing was a joke. Where do you even get a bunch of dead wasps.

no it's real I have my wasp book still

I remember on the kickstarter the wasps were described as ethically sourced. with some degree of irony. it is a mystery

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Campbell's rant on Kickstarter is really hard to read because it hits home for me. Someone I know was under-medicated for their mental issues for YEARS, and she sounded JUST like that. Right down to wanting to be supported as an artist without being required to produce work. Now that she's on the right medication, she has a job and can function in society again, and is embarrassed about her previous actions. I hope Campbell also got the help they need, but I somehow doubt it. :/

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the solution to 'capitalism is a plague destroying us, the earth, and all we hold dear' is not 'if you care about me at all as a person, then give me money for nothing in return so that i personally get to live outside of capitalism' imo

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That's the frustrating part when dealing with a loved one with this kind of mental illness - you can't really argue with any of their points. Yes, the world is hosed up, yes, things are incredibly unfair, and yes there's basically gently caress-all we can do about it. We all accept that because we still need to try and live our lives in a healthy and mostly happy way, because what the gently caress else are we going to do?

But when someone close to you decides, no, I'm going to opt out, I have no desire to be happy when there's suffering and inequality, and gently caress everyone else who isn't dropping of society out with me. Everyone has already been judged by their very, very strict moral code, found wanting because they're not starving in the street with a picket sign, and therefore they are not worthy of basic human decency.

It's loving heartbreaking to experience firsthand, and the only real solution is finding the proper medication (at least in my case).

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the solution to 'capitalism is a plague destroying us, the earth, and all we hold dear' is not 'if you care about me at all as a person, then give me money for nothing in return so that i personally get to live outside of capitalism' imo

I always had a vague idea that their KS burn-out had some kind of rhetorical argument? Like, that they were trying, albeit really ineffectually, to push the general idea of a basic income?
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I always had a vague idea that their KS burn-out had some kind of rhetorical argument? Like, that they were trying, albeit really ineffectually, to push the general idea of a basic income?
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All right: I want direct funding for my living necessities. I want to establish relationships with a group of people who can pay for my baseline needs like food and rent. I am looking for people who do not feel they need to see any “return” on their “investment.” I am looking for people who understand that money is a bad joke we use to hurt each other. I’m looking for people who like me were born with a lot of privileges but who have had the awareness and emotional stability to keep their bucket under the faucet when the money comes out.

I am not looking for the support of anyone who wants a book, or wants to see me put stick figure comics on the internet. I do not need the support of anyone who thinks that I will deserve to eat and sleep only after I have fulfilled some standard they’ve chosen to hold me to. I am looking for people who believe that if you spend your life in a small room thinking, you deserve to live and breathe the same amount as someone who spends their life doing intense physical or mental labor, or who has money that “makes money."

When I have established a means for a small group of people to directly meet my needs, and I know that the people involved understand the value of what they are doing and would continue without me, I will transfer these relationships to someone else. This will provide for the basic living necessities of a person who would not usually have the opportunity for their needs to be met by strangers on the internet. They will not be asked to do anything to keep these relationships going. They will simply have their needs met.
It seems to be both, kind of? Like once Campbell gets enough people willing to support their basic income, they will "transfer these relationships to someone else" in some unexplained way that will continue to support Campbell, but support other people who need it too, I guess? It's not very well thought out, obviously.

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I think it weirded them out that there were people who could afford the $500 and $1000 tiers and liked their work. Would weird me out too. The same amount of money is so trivial to some people and life-or-death to others.

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I think it weirded them out that there were people who could afford the $500 and $1000 tiers and liked their work. Would weird me out too. The same amount of money is so trivial to some people and life-or-death to others.

Why? That's literally what an art patron is. I live in San Diego, and more than half the exhibits at the zoo are named after Conrad Prebys, some guy who gave a LOT of money. It wouldn't be the place it is without that. It's the same philosophy behind Patreon - I haven't seen the numbers, but I assume the higher tier backers are what really keep artists afloat.

Their reaction was to recoil from the fact the backers WANTED something for the money. That disgusts them. But doing nothing for the same money... That's ok somehow? It's very twisted logic, especially when you consider that they STILL would be leaning on their privilege - the only reason anyone would choose Campbell in particular to support to do nothing is because they knew his comic.

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I always had a vague idea that their KS burn-out had some kind of rhetorical argument? Like, that they were trying, albeit really ineffectually, to push the general idea of a basic income?
Or am I way off base.

there was a follow-up e-mail, like, a year later to people that had asked to stay in touch
re-reading it now, it's not quite as emotionally manipulative as i remember but the basic gist was, subscribe to them via PayPal for $20 a month for the project of 'being alive' if you thought they were valuable enough person to keep alive.

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Why? That's literally what an art patron is. I live in San Diego, and more than half the exhibits at the zoo are named after Conrad Prebys, some guy who gave a LOT of money. It wouldn't be the place it is without that. It's the same philosophy behind Patreon - I haven't seen the numbers, but I assume the higher tier backers are what really keep artists afloat.

Leaving aside the specifics of Campbell's whole meltdown, it's pretty hosed up to be barely surviving day to day and suddenly brought face-to-face with the fact that there's people in your social circle who have so much personal wealth they can just throw thousands of dollars away on an idle whim and see nothing exceptional about that. "gently caress you why am I living like this then" is a pretty natural response, and the knowledge that, like, robber barons have existed in the abstract doesn't really prepare you for the disgusting reality.

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