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Yeah I love Poppy, and I love the IDEA of the joke, but in practice it was just kind of jarring.

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I think it worked well as a one-off line, but keeping it going in the second paragraph instead of moving forward made it lose some of the punchiness. There's no such thing as a 'funny background event' in a written format, you have to get that effect through short, quick, off-handed descriptions.

fat black porn tubes Edit I think the fundamental difference between comics and novels is that reading the written word is an inherently linear experience. Unless you've taught yourself to do it, there's no way to comfortably 'glance through' a couple boring pages. It feel jarring. By the same token, you can't really pore over the structure and vocabulary choice in each individual sentence (unless you're a Tolkien fan, or free schoolgirl porn pictures stunningly pretentious), so there's not a lot of way to hid background detail.

A comic can draw a gun on a mantelpiece, and then have it pulled off later with no direct mention of it. In a book, there would have to be at least one line of description explicitly about the gun's existence, so the reader can end up being much more actively aware that it's important. It's just an inherent part of the medium. Most of Hallia's old gags never would have worked because by acknowledging her existence as a background character you are, inherently, arresting the primary development for a moment.

To use a clumsy metaphor, writing is a winding uphill road and comics are a parking lot. You try to drive around one the way you'd drive around the other, and you're going to have a lot of trouble getting from A to B without turning your narrative into a crumpled wreck of twisted metal.

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The joke was perhaps a bit overwrought.
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If I decide to edit a joke that fails to land, should I include a note in the description saying so, or would that be taking things too seriously?
Should I even make those sorts of changes to begin with? It wouldn't exactly be the first time, I once had to go back and tweak a minor visual gag referencing a person I no longer associate with.

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If I decide to edit a joke that fails to land, should I include a note in the description saying so, or would that be taking things too seriously?
Should I even make those sorts of changes to begin with? It wouldn't exactly be the first time, I once had to go back and tweak a minor visual gag referencing a person I no longer associate with.

There's nothing wrong with making the edit, just don't try to shove the earlier version down the memory hole and pretend it never existed. That's the closest thing to "authorial integrity" you need to worry about imo.

For me I'd also say please don't get carried away with footnotes explaining your every creative decision. Save that stuff for people who actually ask.

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I think it worked well as a one-off line, but keeping it going in the second paragraph instead of moving forward made it lose some of the punchiness. There's no such thing as a 'funny background event' in a written format, you have to get that effect through short, quick, off-handed descriptions.

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A comic can draw a gun on a mantelpiece, and then have it pulled off later with no direct mention of it. In a book, there would have to be at least one line of description explicitly about the gun's existence, so the reader can end up being much more actively aware that it's important. It's just an inherent part of the medium. Most of Hallia's old gags never would have worked because by acknowledging her existence as a background character you are, inherently, arresting the primary development for a moment.

To use a clumsy metaphor, writing is a winding uphill road and comics are a parking lot. You try to drive around one the way you'd drive around the other, and you're going to have a lot of trouble getting from A to B without turning your narrative into a crumpled wreck of twisted metal.

uh there's absolute tons of writing that manages plenty of background detail, you just don't interrupt the flow of the action to dwell on something unless you want to alert the reader that this is narratively significant.

for genre fiction, IDK, Morbi maybe take a look at Neuromancer. Never loses the flow of the narrative, never uses the Tolkien blowhard exposition dump format but still paints such an extremely vivid picture that people have made scores of absolutely identical-looking and -feeling movies knocking it off. Everything it does, it does in word choice and brief descriptors right in the flow of the action.

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uh there's absolute tons of writing that manages plenty of background detail, you just don't interrupt the flow of the action to dwell on something unless you want to alert the reader that this is narratively significant.

for genre fiction, IDK, Morbi maybe take a look at Neuromancer. Never loses the flow of the narrative, never uses the Tolkien blowhard exposition dump format but still paints such an extremely vivid picture that people have made scores of absolutely identical-looking and -feeling movies knocking it off. Everything it does, it does in word choice and brief descriptors right in the flow of the action.

How about Unsounded? Ashley Cope manages to add world details into the story in a way that makes sense to people both reading and being part of the story, and has a separate wiki/github/whatever that she nerds out on the minute background details at.

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An example Lamps might be willing to defend would be Wolfe's teen drug abuse books Book of the New Sun, as Wolfe is quite literally on record saying that while writing is in theory linear, he finds it a poor showing if he can only make it say two or three things at a time.
And we know Lamps holds Wolfe in some degree of esteem (personally, as a huge fan of Wolfe, I still wouldn't rate him as more literarily important than Gibson; Wolfe is a past master of technique but that's not the only value in literature).

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Unsounded A of all: is a webcomic, and doesn't need to interrupt the flow of the narrative to describe the setting or minor gags to you and 2 of all: does so anyway, constantly and at tremendous length.

It's not a bad comic but pacing and verbal economy are not among its strengths. Don't write like Cope does.

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Unsounded A of all: is a webcomic, and doesn't need to interrupt the flow of the narrative to describe the setting or minor gags to you and 2 of all: does so anyway, constantly and at tremendous length.

It's not a bad comic but pacing and verbal economy are not among its strengths. Don't write like Cope does.

I've read through most of the comic, but I could never get over the cadence of how people talk. It just drives me nuts.

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The writing is a bit dense and it makes it a little hard to follow the plot sometimes but I don't know what you mean by cadence. I kinda like how the characters have a distinctive voice to them that makes it fairly easy to identify who's voice even without context. The comic seems to rely a little bit too much on external resources though to track what the gently caress some of the stuff going on in universe is. It drop names and concepts into the story without exposition pretty frequently.

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The writing is a bit dense and it makes it a little hard to follow the plot sometimes but I don't know what you mean by cadence. I kinda like how the characters have a distinctive voice to them that makes it fairly easy to identify who's voice even without context. The comic seems to rely a little bit too much on external resources though to track what the gently caress some of the stuff going on in universe is. It drop names and concepts into the story without exposition pretty frequently.

I wasn't quite sure what I meant either, but sometimes it almost feels like they're talking in verse. Duane is particularly bad about it, especially when he has longer monologues.

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Hey this is from a bit back but poo poo I didn't know that they changed their name. I hadn't heard anything about them besides the kickstarter stuff so I didn't mean to misgender them/call them by a name they don't use any more. My bad y'all.

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Yeah, I can see that but I'm pretty sure that's just Duane's thing. Like he uses extremely purple prose and references theater all the time. He's a giant nerd.

Duane is a giant nerd, and worse, he's a highly educated giant nerd who adores the Continental tongue, so he speaks like someone who was born with a university English department shoved up his butt.

e: he's still not alone in that, though, the dialogue in Unsounded definitely suffers from an overabundance of affect.

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Hey this is from a bit back but poo poo I didn't know that they changed their name. I hadn't heard anything about them besides the kickstarter stuff so I didn't mean to misgender them/call them by a name they don't use any more. My bad y'all.

I'm not knocking you about pronouns. I'm still not sure what their gender situation is. If they properly transitioned at some point it's hard to tell, because it happened in the middle of some weird emotional break/avant-garde performance art piece. I just remember them saying that John Campbell wasn't their name anymore, without giving a replacement, then later announcing their name to be "Basic Income Please". I could never final fantasy 10 nude quite tell if they were serious about that or not.

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A fair point, I just wanted an excuse to reference that bit of Wolfe; it may go a bit sideways, but it gets at both the linear nature of text in a, ahem, literal sense - and the fact that a lot of writing is concerned with circumventing or complicating that arrangement.

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