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Dienes
Nov 4, 2009

And he piled upon the whale's white hump, the sum of all the rage and hate felt by his whole race. If his chest had been a cannon, he would have shot his heart upon it.

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The Hobbit films are gritty.

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How do you shoot a scene where an elf is jumping on the heads of dwarves in barrels floating over a waterfall and make it so dour and boring?

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Feb 25, 2011


The executives greenlighting these fantasy series are idiots. They went "Hey everyone likes Game of Thrones, let's make that type of show!"
Without ever understanding how GoT changed the fantasy genre.

And instead of making shows that followed in GoT's footsteps, like The First Law, they greenlit Wheel of Time and LotR.

At least greenlighting Kingkiller makes some sense cause it's got some inspiration from GoT and some from Harry Potter, two very successful things. They seem to know the tone they're going for with that show, even if the source material is incredibly uneven.

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The executives greenlighting these fantasy series are idiots. They went "Hey everyone likes Game of Thrones, let's make that type of show!"
Without ever understanding how GoT changed the fantasy genre.

And instead of making shows that followed in GoT's footsteps, like The First Law, they greenlit Wheel of Time and LotR.

At least greenlighting Kingkiller makes some sense cause it's got some inspiration from GoT and some from Harry Potter, two very successful things. They seem to know the tone they're going for with that show, even if the source material is incredibly uneven.

The TV show is going to play out exactly like Legend of the Seeker did for Sword of Truth.

Patrick Rothfuss is this generation's Terry Goodkind.

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Mar 12, 2007


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Their tone is also inconsistent and the overall product is awful.

Regardless, I don't think they're intentionally gritty. I think they tried to ground a children's story in the more adult interpretation that the Rings films are and it makes those movies way more gritty than they need or should be, even while including goofy garbage.

I have no doubt that the show will double down on that garbage.

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The TV show is going to play out exactly like Legend of the Seeker did for Sword of Truth.

Patrick Rothfuss is this generation's Terry Goodkind.

So... Good and seemingly designed to intentionally piss off the original author? I'm game.

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So... Good and seemingly designed to intentionally piss off the original author? I'm game.

Yea, I loved that stupid show and their impeccable costume department.

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The executives greenlighting these fantasy series are idiots. They went "Hey everyone likes Game of Thrones, let's make that type of show!"
Without ever understanding how GoT changed the fantasy genre.

And instead of making shows that followed in GoT's footsteps, like The First Law, they greenlit Wheel of Time and LotR.

At least greenlighting Kingkiller makes some sense cause it's got some inspiration from GoT and some from Harry Potter, two very successful things. They seem to know the tone they're going for with that show, even if the source material is incredibly uneven.

That's a strange complaint. No matter how much GoT changed the fantasy genre, it's not half as influential as LotR. Additionally, the Middle-earth setting is very popular, as seen in the success of the LotR and The Hobbit films, or games like Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor. That's a big market to be tapped, and I doubt a series in that setting does badly if it's halfway decently done.

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That's a strange complaint. No matter how much GoT changed the fantasy genre, it's not half as influential as LotR. Additionally, the Middle-earth setting is very popular, as seen in the success of the LotR and The Hobbit films, or games like Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor. That's a big market to be tapped, and I doubt a series in that setting does badly if it's halfway decently done.

Did GoT really change anything? At best it took the typical mid/low fantasy setting and meshed it with the kind of shady politics and terrible acts that dark ages Europe was famous for. Even the whole 4-7 kings civil war was heavily rooted in the various conflicts in England and France for the crown among the upper nobility. As someone who read a lot of historical fiction set in the 800-1100s there's nothing in GoT that wasn't extremely commonplace in historical record.

Maybe I don't have a good grasp on how dismal the fantasy scene was in the late 90s. Aside from Wheel of Time and Sword of Truth I can't remember anything major topping the best seller lists or getting front shelf display in Borders.

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I mean there's what, Sword of Shannara and other garbage?

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It and Walking Dead have sort of changed expectations as far as how characters get treated. "No one is safe" and "awful things happen all the time" have become a bit more mainstream.

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