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Trailer looks good. I bet the movie will be good too, like TFA and Rogue One and unlike the prequels which were loving trash.

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It's a major plot point that Chewbacca has his first bath in 40 years, please keep up with the production leaks

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Galaxy brain: Luke was a lovely character in TLJ for sure, and a lunatic murderer to boot, but he was kind of a lovely character and a murder lunatic to begin with. Mark Hamill carried the poo poo out of that lean rear end role in the OT, and even then it was only to mixed success, particularly in return of the jedi where he comes off as a huge weirdo constantly

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It was always gonna happen, it was a moment of panic, he was just contemplating it, etc. etc.

Brainstorming rationalizations for botched murder attempt itt

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Ultimately the new canon is that Luke was already going mad with power by return of the jedi. We see the beginning of a downward spiral that would lead to attempted murder on the sleeping Ben for thoughtcrimes.

What I'm trying to say is that those pigmen at jabba's palace were just doing their jobs, they didn't deserve to be choked (to death???)

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He became like vader anyway though, insofar as his actions led to the collapse of a democracy, the deaths of millions on several exploded planets, and another massacre of children at the jedi temple. But I guess he did hesitate and feel really bad about it after

edit: I mean, he didn't feel bad enough about it to try to help anyone for several years, or get off his rear end, ever; but still, he really felt bad

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I find it a bit galling that Luke goes into "exile" at all. You can always tell a true champion of democracy and the rule of law by how he goes off the grid and becomes a fugitive instead of facing trial for a probable crime. Truly, an inspirational hero for the next generation of the resistance

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I find it a bit galling that Luke goes into "exile" at all. You can always tell a true champion of democracy and the rule of law by how he goes off the grid and becomes a fugitive instead of facing trial for a probable crime. Truly, an inspirational hero for the next generation of the resistance

He even seems to believe, himself, that it was a crime and he was guilty; as his own judge jury and executioner, he simply decided his punishment should be feeling really bad and drinking titty milk

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I'm starting to think this sequel trilogy might not have been well thought out

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I don't have an issue with Luke being an insane fugitive murderer; it was already heavily hinted he was heading in that direction during rotj in retrospect. What I do have an issue with is the movie acting like that big of a piece of poo poo should or could be celebrated as a great hero of the resistance who inspires everyone with his sacrifice.

It would be like if everyone was celebrating darth vader for being a hero of the rebellion because he had a deathbed conversion

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I mean, as in most other respects the movie is trying to have its cake and eat it too I guess. It wants to have edgy luke who is so colossal of a fuckup that the new characters have to move past him, and if you think about it for more than 30 seconds you realize he's an insane irredeemable hypocrite monster in several respects, but it also wants him to be a big darn hero and have an inspiring heroic death at the end. It doesn't work at all in my humble hmo

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Legends luke: could not fail, only be failed
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The stretch of NJO from those books and Traitor to Destiny's Way or so was kind of awesome honestly, even after all these years. Too bad everything before and after was so wretched

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It's cool to see people rattle off Luke's insane murderer rationalizations as if they excuse his colossally hosed up actions whatsoever.

Maybe in the end you have to give it up to Mark Hamill, he's so likable an actor that despite the horrible script that people are willing to let his character get away with murder (and fleeing from justice for murder, and killing himself rather than facing justice for murder, and never bothering to tell the parents of the child he attempted to murder what he did, and etc. etc.)

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In a way Luke not telling Han and Leia what he did is actually kind of the root of all evil. Everyone seems to think Kylo went evil and burned down the temple unilaterally, when really he and the knights of ren were probably confused kids trying to escape from an apparently hostile place run by a crazy murder man. If Han and Leia had known any of that context they probably would have looked at their son very differently.

Granted they're reprehensible idiots as well for apparently not looking into the incident at all, but Luke basically set everyone up to fail from the get go with his insane actions.

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I think there's a distinction to be made here between "attempted murder" and "considered attempting murder".

Not that considering murdering one of your students is a good thing, but (if we're to take his story at face value)Luke didn't actually go forward with any attempt to kill Ben. He ignites his lightsaber for a second, stands there frozen unable to act, and then comes to his senses and decides not to do it. In that moment he gave in to the dark side, but was able to bring himself back before actually acting on it. Of course, that doesn't make Ben any less justified in his outrage, but I think the distinction takes Luke from completely irredeemable into a slightly more acceptable gray area that makes sense for the film.

To me considering attempting murder would be sitting in a chair somewhere pondering if maybe killing the child of your best friends because you had a spooky dream might be a good idea. When you stand over him while he's sleeping and ignite your weapon, that goes into attempt territory. I'm reasonably confident a jury would agree.

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To say he took no action seems kind of BS to me. He was standing there thinking about it (or arguably getting ready to do it) and then Ben woke up and interrupted him. Conveniently, Ben waking up also gives Luke an excuse to say he never really meant to do it, and people just take him on his word because ????????. The entire situation is loving bonkers and it comes down to the script being horrible I guess, but to me Luke was waaaaaaay over the line of what an innocent person with no intent to commit murder would ever do.

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Oh yes, he's waaaay over the line and like I said, Ben's reaction is justified. But I don't think it makes Luke an irredeemable monster, or invalidates what happened 30 years ago. If the prequels showed us anything, it's that even the most veteran, capable Jedi are still susceptible to the dark side.

For me, if Luke's actions were otherwise responsible I think I could forgive one moment of (contrived and extreme) indiscretion. But everything he does subsequently is also really reprehensible. He himself seems to feel and admit terrible guilt, but he doesn't turn himself in to let the law he supposedly upholds decide whether what he did was wrong or not in some kind of objective fashion. He doesn't bother to tell Han and Leia anything, which is just absurdly irresponsible and evil. He never really makes amends for any of this other than committing a quasi heroic suicide I guess.

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It must be nice to be Luke Skywalker, you can murder anyone you want and say it was justified by magical visions only you can see

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A force vision is also indistinguishable from having a schizophrenic hallucination, and considering Luke's subsequent insane actions I'm going to say we can't rule that possibility out

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For the Luke did nothing wrong crowd, why then did he go into exile? Abandoning the republic, the Jedi, family and friends, the kid in your care who you just colossally hosed up mentally, etc. becomes even more reprehensible if there was basically no reason for him to do so.

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I don't see anyone saying he did nothing wrong.

Gonna have to agree to disagree with you on that one, on the last page alone.

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would we be having this conversation if luke had a gun? 'yeah he pulled it out and pointed it at his sleeping nephew, but he didn't free mexican sex pictures technically fire it'

Likewise, if you were to describe the situation but not name the perp as Luke I bet most people would call the individual a lunatic who should be in a padded cell.

Ultimately I can't really read Luke in star wars 8 as anything but some kind of apathetic narcissist/sociopath. Most of his actions seem to be motivated by the desire not to look bad, but in the laziest way possible. I'd hate to tell Han and Leia that I abused their child, better go hide from them for years while I wait for them to die off. Better die a hero, but too lazy to actually get off my rear end in the process. And so on.

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Love his little cry of "Ben, no!" at the end. As if Ben is the one being unreasonable in this situation

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For me, I'm cool with the movie exploring luke's fall from grace into insane monster territory. I'm even cool with doing that and having him getting redeemed in the end. But to do those things and also act like he was a great hero who inspires the next generation of the resistance is just fundamentally confused, as if the movie forgot that it's possible to have a personal redemption a la vader that didn't excuse or ignore all the horrible poo poo vader did

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People really want to act like the Kylo murder episode was the only thing Luke did wrong. Pretty much everything he does from that point on is also reprehensible, from not turning himself over to the authorities for what he did, to never bothering to tell han and leia that he abused their child, to basically doing nothing to make things right with Kylo beyond going "lol sorry"

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Who is someone who's a good analog to Luke, but in our world? A hero in his time, still lionized by some- who had just one little moment of weakness, involving child abuse and covering up child abuse?

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Yeah man because Star Wars fans totally wanted to see Luke become analogous to a child rapist right?

Actually, JoePa retired for the good of the program, like a hero would, so he's actually a hero, who heroically overcame his moment of weakness

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Kylo's a monster for sure, but he was systematically failed by his teacher, who abused him, his parents, who were apparently oblivious to his being abused despite what must have been pretty obvious warning signs, and his government, which likewise didn't seem to care about prosecuting his abuser (and in fact ends up elevating him to the status of hero despite the truth about the abuse coming to light)

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It’s not a secret meaning. It’s as basic as how nuns are referred to as sisters.

There is a very clear distinction between Luke’s mylie cyrus naked photos biological father (the actual Anakin), Luke’s free incest porno pics true father (Darth Vader), and Luke’s ‘true from a certain point of view’ father (the ‘legendary’ Anakin who never actually existed and was invented by Obiwan).

In this same way, we have three different Interpretations of Leia:

First, we have the biological sister, the baby we see literally born onscreen who shares the same midichlorians and is powerful because of midichlorians.

Second, you have the ‘legendary’ sister who is suddenly announced by Obiwan’s ghost. This legendary sister is The Next Hope, the backup heir to Anakin’s mythic legacy - a new Skywalker capable of killing Vader and saving the Republic.

Things get weird here because Luke and Leia are just like “somehow I've always known!” But what if this is a prophecy that misread, could have been? After all, Yoda’s talk about “another” is clearly referring to Vader himself. What if Luke’s belief in a twin sister is only true from a certain point of view?

“Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view. ... by the way you and Leia are related.”

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