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That's a song (a prayer for those who have it rough, essentially) from the best Mass ever, The Finnish Mass. We have all kinds of specialty Masses here, from metal to dance and everything in between and they all follow the core liturgy. The Finnish Mass does too, but it's more like a total conversion mod than one that only adds overpowered units to the player.

Maybe it's just a language thing, since I don't speak Finnish, but that sounded really cool. On that note, any major differences in the kind of chants used between Orthodoxy and Catholocism? I mean, do they use different vocal styles?

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Depends on the jurisdiction. In Greek churches, they use why men eat pussy, which I tend to think of as, well, "wavy." It's very similar to both Jewish and Islamic chanting styles. sex with old ladys My church used to have a world-class Byzantine-style cantor, but, well, then he moved.

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Sounds more similar to Byzantine chant... it's got more semitones and melisma than Western chant, I think?

I'm sad I didn't get to go to an Armenian liturgy when I was out in LA but oh well. I'm sure I'll make it back eventually.

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I know next to nothing about liturgical music or chanting, except what I've learned in these threads. I think you're right about that armenian chant, though. To my untrained ear, it does sound a lot like the call to prayer.

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I know next to nothing about liturgical music or chanting, except what I've learned in these threads. I think you're right about that armenian chant, though. To my untrained ear, it does sound a lot like the call to prayer.

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Since he won’t, and has quietly persevered in the face of mounting discontent, they are now preparing for battle. Last year, one cardinal, backed by a few retired colleagues, raised the possibility of a formal declaration of heresy – the wilful rejection of an established doctrine of the church, a sin punishable by excommunication. Last month, 62 disaffected Catholics, including one retired bishop and a former head of the Vatican bank, published an open letter that accused Francis of seven specific counts of heretical teaching.

To accuse a sitting pope of heresy is the nuclear option in Catholic arguments. Doctrine holds that the pope cannot be wrong when he speaks on the central questions of the faith; so if he is wrong, he can’t be pope. On the other hand, if this pope is right, all his predecessors must have been wrong.

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This is the exact same structure of the first papal infallibility controversy, back in the 1100s. Ironically, the first proponents of the idea were arguing against the then pope, attempting to claim that one of his predecessors (who had agreed with them) was infallible. Also ironically, this means that the people who were most for papal authoritarianism in the 19th c were against papal infallibility. Because if you're infallible your predecessors must have been too; the more of them, the less you can change. But the less you can change, the less you can do, and this gets worse with each Pope.

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In the late 90s she and her beau spoke to the priest and were going through the parish's premarital counseling. She was told that she couldn't marry within the Church because she was a divorcée. She petitioned the diocese tribunal for an annulment of her (outside the Church, pre-conversion marriage to a non-Catholic) previous marriage.

The petition was denied because they didn't recognize the validity of the marriage since it wasn't Catholic, but she wasn't allowed to marry within the Church because she had been previously married (and presumably because I was evidence that she wasn't the Virgin Mary). Those two strands of logic held side by side seem unspeakably cruel. I suppose she didn't like the additional implication that I'm illegitimate. All this also seemed to mean she couldn't receive communion.

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I think this is a phenomenon of which the inner-Catholic opposition to Francis is just the tip of the iceberg. I remember reading an article about the Georgian Orthodox Church, whose patriarch got ordained sometime in the 70s when the church had something like 100 priests altogether, and now it's over 1,500, most of them being comparatively badly educated and also way more conservative than their patriarch. Recently one of them tried to loving murder him, which is something that hasn't happened yet in the RCC. Let's hope it just stays at angry letters.

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The terminology seems to be fluid. Some of the plains tribes will say it's only smudge if it's from herbs bound into a stick, for example. The general idea remains the same, people pull the smoke over them to be blessed and cleared of bad energy.

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In the late 90s she and her beau spoke to the priest and were going through the parish's premarital counseling. She was told that she couldn't marry within the Church because she was a divorcée. She petitioned the diocese tribunal for an annulment of her (outside the Church, pre-conversion marriage to a non-Catholic) previous marriage.

The petition was denied because they didn't recognize the validity of the marriage since it wasn't Catholic, but she wasn't allowed to marry within the Church because she had been previously married (and presumably because I was evidence that she wasn't the Virgin Mary). Those two strands of logic held side by side seem unspeakably cruel. I suppose she didn't like the additional implication that I'm illegitimate. All this also seemed to mean she couldn't receive communion.

It really broke her heart. She lapsed eventually, though it might have been because the parish priest she'd been counseled by was, well, convicted of child molestation.

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Well that sucks. The Pope can dissolve natural marriages but it's rare enough outside mission territories that it's possible nobody in the diocese knew that could even be done.

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Well that sucks. The Pope can dissolve natural marriages but it's rare enough outside mission territories that it's possible nobody in the diocese knew that could even be done.

I'm pretty sure they kicked it up to the Vatican but the petition was again denied, but it's been a long time and I thought surely my memory that the pope denied the annulment was wrong. Perhaps not. Either way, that whole episode also led me away from conversion, too.

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