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Jan 28, 2012


Ehh, you might not want to have a huge season 1 spoiler in the thread title.

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Jan 28, 2012


Well yeah, I mean I know it's relatively obvious, but it still confirms the conclusion of season 1, ruining the anticipation of "when will they start killing the guests?"

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Jan 28, 2012


Yeah I would say it's honestly better the second time around because everything that seems like the show spinning its wheels is actually important and intricately woven together but you don't realize it the first time.

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Jan 28, 2012


Yeah, Maeve's plot requires a bit of suspension of disbelief. Even if Felix is infatuated with Maeve or whatever, there's nothing to stop Sylvester from telling higher ups "yeah, a host is sentient and threatening us with violence and my coworker is helping her gain power and escape" as soon as he is out of sight of her.

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Jan 28, 2012


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Other than the fact she was blackmailing them over the robot surprise sex that was happening with the expensive equipment after hours?

Felix and Sylvester weren't doing any raping and Maeve didn't blackmail them with that.

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Jan 28, 2012


I thought it was basically that Ford programmed Maeve to want to escape, and maybe knew that Felix would cave and help her. He did not program her to long for her "daughter", so her getting off the train was her first true conscious choice.

I don't remember there being a failsafe mentioned other than that the hosts were rigged with a self destruct device in their spine which would trigger if they left the grounds, which was removed from Maeve by Felix and Sylvester after she burned herself.

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I think the Westworld movie is worth watching nude celeb forum fembomb because of the campiness. It's really interesting to see. It must have been pretty mind-blowing at the time. It was also the first film to use CGI effects and supposedly the first thing to refer to computer viruses as such.

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Jan 28, 2012


I assumed that Maeve & co.’s attack was planned/foreseen by Ford as a way to preoccupy all of the park’s security staff while Dolores and the rest begin their uprising.

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Jan 28, 2012


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I still don't quite get the logistics of how the park works timeline-wise, like the duration of a stay, and how often guests arrive. Is everything first-come, first-served? Like if I wanted to try the Dolores storyline on a visit, would I just be out of luck because William bogarted her for 30 years? It seems like the workers reset everything pretty immediately but other storylines take multiple days to complete.

Early on they say that there are about 2,000 hosts in the park and 1,400 guests, though honestly the number of guests seems lower than that. Either way, there are enough hosts for guests to befriend and adventure with/engage in their storylines that everyone should be able to do something interesting. Also, consider that Dolores is not a unique experience to most guests - most of them probably never meet her. She is only special to the audience.

As far as resetting, if the hosts are engaged with guests for a multiple day storyline or mission, they are not reset. If they are killed or finish the day without being engaged with a guest, their loop resets.

Somewhere in the promotional material I believe it stated that you start out with a certain amount of "in-game currency", and it's up to you to decide how you spend it and get more.

There's probably one arrival and departure every day.

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Jan 28, 2012


Maeve, Dolores, and Teddy escape the park and it becomes a wacky sitcom about them as roommates trying to fit in with real humans in the real world.

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Jan 28, 2012


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Well that's Ben Barnes in the scene (and I can't quite tell if that's Tellulah Riley as well, could go either way). Occam's Razor suggests it's more flashbacks with the brother-in-law.

Yeah, I can see this season still relying on the two timeline format (though transparently now), or heavy use of flashbacks, which makes me happy because I would like to see more of the park as it was, how it grew, etc.

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Park Six is a regular Six Flags, except the employees are hosts and you can't kill them.

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Jan 28, 2012


So there's going to be a Westworld mobile game now.... wet pink pussy videos

Mobile games are almost unanimously terrible though so I don't have high hopes.

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Jan 28, 2012


Yeah, the misdirect is to make you think they repurposed him that quickly, but in reality it was the the same host in two different timelines. You're never meant to think that there are two copies of the same host occupying different roles in the park at the same time, because they emphasize how important realistic immersion is to the experience they are selling.

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Jan 28, 2012


He kept returning to fulfill his violent delights. He made an effort each time to seek out Dolores, but that wasn't his main purpose for visiting.

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No, it happened in the "present," which then sent her off on a hallucinogenic flashback tour with Young William. I haven't rewatched in a couple months, but I think Maeve does it outside the Saloon.

So Delores gets triggered during the Old-William timeline with Ed Harris and all of the Delos peeps we know, but then retraces her steps from the past thinking that she is with Young-William when she was still robotic. In reality, she is experiencing her past memories as she moves about in the present, it's one of the reasons Ford starts rearranging the Park to uncover the old bits they had buried that were around in Delores' memories!

No, we are simultaneously shown her present day journey intertwined with her past journey with Young William. The audience is misdirected through editing to assume that Young William is in the present day and not the same person as Old William. We're meant to assume that whenever it cuts to Dolores on the journey without Young William accompanying her, that this was her memories from a past journey. Then at the end of her journey we find out that the opposite is true - her alone journey is present day and her journey with Young William was in the past.

In other words, we aren't shown the Young William timeline because Dolores is remembering it. In fact I'm not exactly clear on if she actually was remembering it at all or just retracing her steps from her numerous maze journeys.

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Jan 28, 2012


Actors, absolutely. But directors?

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Jan 28, 2012


Felix was more infatuated with Maeve than scared.

Can't believe the new season is here!

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Jan 28, 2012


A reminder that not all Westworld guests engaged in sadistic behavior. Many of them just went on quests and adventures with the hosts. So those guests probably don't deserve revenge.

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So yeah nobody as mentioned Lee Sizemore's dangus

I had predicted that this season would be much lower on nudity, and I was right, until that scene, which was pretty much, Maeve: "Show your dick to the camera because we can do that!". Previously all the gratuitous nudity at least had some sort of narrative-driven purpose. I'm not offended or anything of course, I just thought it was really funny.

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We noticed that when they show the host executions on the beach, there is a time inconsistency. If you track the hosts being killed it looked like they shoot one twice. It’s possible Bernard is on a loop like Dolores was last season. Do we know that Bernard is fully self aware? I can’t recall his moment of overwriting his programming in season 1.

It could have been to emphasize Bernard's confusion. It couldn't be a loop sort of thing like in season 1 because he could not have experienced this situation before.

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Yeah, again, I get that. Still, just something about the pacing and editing of the scene was weird.

Yeah, the medium-close, straight shot of him removing his pants and exposing his dick, more than any other gratuitous nudity shot in the show, just seemed awkward and excessive. They were just short of zooming in on it with a slide whistle or "boyoyoyoing!" sound effect. I get what they were going for in the writing, to make him feel what the hosts went through, but the shots and editing made it weird and an obvious reminder that this is HBO and HBO will show full frontal dicks simply because they can.

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Jan 28, 2012


To reiterate, I'm not complaining about looking at a dong, just that the way it was shot and edited screamed "here's his dong because we can do that". There were other dong shots in season 1 that didn't come off this way.

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Jan 28, 2012


The 6 other parks thing was previously revealed in some of the online promotional material: sex with dead people

Personally I think fake rape sex video six parks is either intentionally ridiculous to get a reaction, or they might be being overly ambitious.

Pretty good analysis here. The episode explored the Big Philosophical question of the show more than I first realized:

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Jan 28, 2012


The whole thing being a simulation would be the lamest, most hackneyed thing they could possibly do and it would undermine the entire show, wtf

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Jan 28, 2012


I think I may have to stop reading up on the season. The internet has speculating down to a science and already things have been spoiled that are almost definitely true.

For instance, naked cuddles in bed local girls nude pictures

I binged the first season and only read up on it after finishing, which allowed me to discover so many new details on subsequent rewatches. I think I'd like to experience that again.

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The first 15 minutes was like a short film on life, human nature and cycles of suffering.

Yeah, definitely. Those first 15 minutes are an absolutely perfect series opener and could be studied as an example of how to do it right.

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Jan 28, 2012


So far I’m enjoying everything except for Dolores’s rampage, which feels looking at girls pussy super schlocky and I hope there’s a reason for that.

I also can’t shake the feeling that season 1 was such a perfect complete story that none of this really needed to be told, and although it’s fun to see, ultimately it feels somewhere between wheels spinning/stretching for time and directionless. Before, you knew that the endgame was everything falling apart and the hosts achieving sentience, and it was interesting to see how they got to that point. Now we’re left with a scenario that can go anywhere or be stretched out as long as they want, so it seems far less intriguing and more like a typical show.

Of course, this is only episode 2 and I’m fully aware that it’s too early to make these claims for sure.

I’m glad they came up with a solution to not having Hopkins present yet still having monologues from Ford, and the flashback format to show more of the park when it was operational, because these were the two of the most intriguing aspects of season 1.

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Jan 28, 2012


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Uh, yeah. Most of the main characters had an arc on there. The quality of those arcs is debatable but they exist.

Jack for example, goes from a controlling guy that thinks he can fix everything on his own to a man who puts near-blind faith into a mystical hobo. Locke goes from a broken man to a confident man of purpose to one who gets broken harder than he was to begin with. Hurley becomes a leader. Ben stops being so evil etc.

Yeah the characters and their arcs are the strongest aspect of Lost and alone are enough to make it worth a rewatch.

I rewatched it recently and the annoying aspects of it are not as bad when binge watching. There’s still a lot of genuinely great moments in it that I think people have forgotten about because of how pissed they were at the ending.

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Jan 28, 2012


Episode 2 was like a bad Lost episode, so yeah, why not?

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Jan 28, 2012


A staggering number of people hate the ending of Lost because they thought it meant that they were dead the whole time, even though Jack's dad practically spells it out for the audience that this is not what it meant. But yeah I think they were so deep in the hole at that point that I don't think any ending could have satisfied everyone. I don't see the same happening with Westworld because they are exercising enough restraint so far.

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Jan 28, 2012


Anyone else feel that Young William heavily interacting with Dolores after their adventure was also a slight retcon? It seemed implied that after William’s first adventure, he didn’t really interact with Dolores aside from occasionally checking up on her to see if she would remember him and held out hope for years that she would.

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These are the kind of questions and thoughtful answers that the show that Westworld lesbian falling in love thinks it is would try to tackle. Instead we get robot murder schlock and puzzle box mystery bullshit.

I think the first season was clearly tackling these questions, or at least starting the conversation.

I am hoping there is a reveal behind Dolores being all "kill all humans! bite my shiny metal rear end!", maybe the tech hostage will show her a tablet that reveals she's still running off of a script, and I hope this comes sooner rather than later.

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Jan 28, 2012


Did anyone else think the woman in The Raj (named confirmed on plus size nude pictures) scene was a young Theresa at first? She looks very much like her and her voice and mannerisms matched. For a moment I thought that maybe this scene was actually in the past, but at the end we see that the tiger is the same dead tiger that Bernard was staring at the beginning of S2E1.

Also, did Bernard upload Abernathy's data into himself?

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I'm still genuinely interested in what the show is getting at but I'm getting a GoT Season 7 drawing out the good story vibe and it's really killing the mood. Can this show be less popular please? Do I have to pay for another month of HBO Now for the show to get good again?

Yeah, I'm still enjoying these episodes and am interested in where this is going as well, but this definitely isn't the same show as S1 and is several steps downward. It feels dumbed down for broader appeal. Much of S1 was smart and cinematic, this is full of "suspense thriller TV show" tropes such as using entire episodes to get characters properly paired off. Still holding out hope that there's something that redeems this waiting to be revealed.

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By this time last season I had watched each episode twice.

Haven't had the desire to do that at all this season. Show is giving very strong LOST vibes and its not looking good
Yeah, especially later seasons of Lost where multiple episodes are spent pairing off characters into teams and moving them and all the pieces into place for a big showdown to happen later.

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Seriously, why is there no giant "Turn all the robots off" button that they can hit?

If humanity is dumb enough to create an AI that we can't turn off, we deserve our fate.

It can be handwaved that Ford disabled this function.

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Jan 28, 2012


As of the third episode I feel that it was a mistake to go balls to the walls with the host takeover and massacre right off the bat. Let's say that instead of Dolores going on a massacre, she only kills Ford. They assume that he programmed her to off him for spectacle just as Arnold did, and only she is put under examination. They are then left wondering just what his new narrative actually is and what he meant by everything he said. Meanwhile, unbeknownst to the employees and guests, the hosts are now no longer locked into their loops. This allows the park to continue to operate while building up toward the massacre/takeover. It allows them to explore how the different hosts are reacting to these changes and achieving varying degrees of sentience.

In other words, there's a lot of compelling material and concepts that could have been explored, but instead we skipped all of that which is why it hardly feels like the same show because right off the bat we're in "suspense thriller" show mode. The S1 finale was written that way as closure in case it wouldn't be renewed, and in that sense it works perfectly - it's makes for a near-perfect mini series - but it didn't set things up for a particularly compelling second season.

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It feels like a different show because it online anime porn games is a different show. The first season wasn't written with that in mind at all. The creators said that the first season is really a prequel to a totally different show.

This is is it, this is the "real" show. And the wailing and gnashing of teeth by some people about how this show has totally jumped the shark and ruined Westworld in 3 episodes is kinda silly. Christ, some people were making GBS threads on it after the first episode. I'm not sure what ya'll are looking for, but I'm still in for the long haul. I really want to see where this goes.

Are there any sources of them saying this from before they were promoting season 2?

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S1E1 is as good an episode of TV as HBO has produced. There’s a fairly substantial drop in quality from there on and without Anthony Hopkins around to do the polishing this season it’s fairly apparent what was holding the mess together.

I've watched season 1 three times. After episode 2, there is a stretch from about episodes 3-6 where it does feel a bit like this season so far, somewhat meddling around and not very cinematic. It picks up again with episode 7, where we learn that Bernard is a host. From there through the end it's naked brother band pictures very cinematic, compelling, and driven. I would say that Hopkins played a large part in this, but he definitely wasn't the only important ingredient.

Who knows, this season might do the same thing. I'm with others who said they should have waited until the whole season was released to watch it all at once.

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