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I've seen HP laserjets from the mid 90s that are still operational 20 years later. Those things were tanks.

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I have a color HP LaserJet that I got on Amazon open box for $149 3 years ago and it has performed flawlessly on my wifi since day 1.

Why can't enterprise-grade printers not be utter poo poo?

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The answer, as always, is "if it works perfectly then you don't need to buy support from us and also you won't have a reason to upgrade in a couple years, because there's only so much you can improve on 'prints pixels on paper'"

but the real answer is probably a like 20/80 split of the above and good old-fashioned incompetence

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The answer, as always, is "if it works perfectly then you don't need to buy support from us and also you won't have a reason to upgrade in a couple years, because there's only so much you can improve on 'prints pixels on paper'"

but the real answer is probably a like 20/80 split of the above and good old-fashioned incompetence

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I have a color HP LaserJet that I got on Amazon open box for $149 3 years ago and it has performed flawlessly on my wifi since day 1.

Why can't enterprise-grade printers not be utter poo poo?

I picked a B+W laser printer out of the garbage and my mother has been printing off it for 2 years, still using the toner cart that was already in it.

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^^You might have been using a postscript driver, when you needed PCL. Or maybe the other way around. I think...


I used to do the same, but pretty much all the Brothers I bought at my previous job turned out to be utter garbage. The HL-L5470's and HL-L6200's will consume their fusers within 3000-5000 prints.I went back to buying HPs.

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Nthing the Brother Laserjet supremacy. Got tired of the cheap inkshit printers that I only used once a year or so for whatever luddite that doesn't take a scanned email always needing replacement ink or just having spontaneously shat themselves from disuse.

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I work in infrastructure.

E-mails are coming in about the new KPTI bug.

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E-mails are coming in about the new KPTI bug.

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At one point, Forcefully Unmap Complete Kernel With Interrupt Trampolines, aka FUCKWIT, was mulled by the Linux kernel team, giving you an idea of how annoying this has been for the developers.

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That flaw is over my head by a degree or two. I think I understand what's happening, on the mundane level, though I don't fully understand the impact. Is this more of an infrastructure issue, or will user-side workstations be impacted, too? We're all Dell in this office, which means we've got Intel chips all over the place.

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Potentially every Intel chip for the last decade. Because the flaw could expose privileged data from a web browser's JavaScript, expect all workstations to require firmware updates.

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Potentially every Intel chip for the last decade. Because the flaw could expose privileged data from a web browser's JavaScript, expect all workstations to require firmware updates.

Gotcha. Thank you for clarifying! Some articles I read about the bug kinda fixated on cloud computing and services, which confused my understanding of things.

I'm without a doubt going to have to shoulder the workload of updating everyone's firmware once my boss comes up with a strategy. Can't wait!

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I'm without a doubt going to have to shoulder the workload of updating everyone's firmware once my boss comes up with a strategy. Can't wait!

Well it's especially scary because it allows one VM to read memory used by any VM (or other process) on the system.

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So basically this shortcut has given intel a massive competitive advantage for the last decade in performance?

Yeah they beat the competition by ripping open a massive security flaw. Otherwise they wouldn't have soundly trounced the CPU market and caused this huge panic where over 50% of the world's computing power is affected.

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So basically this shortcut has given intel a massive competitive advantage for the last decade in performance?

It's not really a shortcut, it's just architecture that they didn't realise (at the time) could be leveraged this way. Essentially the issue exists because when one of the affected chips has to do a calculation that has to be handed off to the kernel, it keeps the kernel loaded into temporary memory to make the processing faster rather than having to reload the kernel for every subsequent calculation (I think; it's a bit over my head as well tbh).

Some boffin somewhere figured out a way to exploit the kernel while it is loaded into temporary memory, allowing them to do all kinds of fuckery. The fix means that Intel chips will now have to call the kernel up every time it is needed rather than keep it in temporary memory which will slow down processing time hugely.

Honestly, I wouldn't be too worried about regular desktop computers since they don't really see the number of IOPs where this will really be a problem. The big issue will be seen on clusters where IOPs are required at a premium and things like SQL processing. That is why AWS and Microsoft will be so badly impacted because their butt processing is massive. I'm sure they will be able to brute force spend their way out of it, however a 30% slowdown across their entire estate is the thing of nightmares.

Edit: Also this only seems to be affecting CPU architectures in between Sandy Bridge and Coffee Lake (so like the 3000 series to the 7000 series?), so if you are still running a 2550k on your home PC like I am then you shouldn't see any problems.

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I've seen HP laserjets from the mid 90s that are still operational 20 years later. Those things were tanks.

We've got a pair of Laserjet p2035n's that have been going strong for almost 10 years now. They free best porn vids never jam, toner is cheap, and they're reasonably fast. We put a couple hundred pages per day through them.

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OS kernel-level software patches to mitigate this vulnerability, come at huge performance costs that strike at the very economics of choosing Intel processors in large-scale datacenters and cloud-computing providers, over processors from AMD. Ryzen, Opteron, and EPYC processors are inherently immune to this vulnerability, yet the kernel patches seem to impact performance of both AMD and Intel processors.

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Edit: Also this only seems to be affecting CPU architectures in between Sandy Bridge and Coffee Lake (so like the 3000 series to the 7000 series?), so if you are still running a 2550k on your home PC like I am then you shouldn't see any problems.

Sandy and Ivy are the same uArch (mostly), with Ivy being the Tock, so unless part of that Tock and deepening the pipeline + adding new instructions also modified the branch predictor, they’re probably either both vulnerable or not. Ivy was only a ~5% clock for clock CPU bump over SNB IIRC.

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Edit: Also this only seems to be affecting CPU architectures in between Sandy Bridge and Coffee Lake (so like the 3000 series to the 7000 series?), so if you are still running a 2550k on your home PC like I am then you shouldn't see any problems.

When you say "in between" do you mean inclusive? As 3000 series are Sandy Bridge.

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Edit: I'm not pretending to be an expert here, I've never followed the dumb codenames closely.

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What alternate universe do you live in where printers never jam? And how do I get there?

I don't think I've ever had a personal-use printer jam ever, although even when I printed a lot it was never anything fancy and not-8x10. I've always assumed jams were user error, either in the immediate sense or "I just take out my frustrations with my inability to use tech via spontaneous percussive maintenance, what do you mean that damages it it's working fine now"

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Don't let your paper get damp/dusty seems to be the way to avoid paper jams. Leave it in the waxy packet until it's ready to use, if you only print a couple of sheets each week then don't put the entire ream of paper into your printer.

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What alternate universe do you live in where printers never jam? And how do I get there?

Buy a Laserjet P2035n?

Seriously though they've never given me any trouble at all, same thing with the cheap-rear end monochrome Brother units we have scattered around.

We tried HP Inkjets for a while but had nothing but issues with them, and our MFPs that we lease jam on a regular basis.

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In our environment we are lucky to ever have a printer last more than a year. Doesn't matter if its a cheap $150 personal laser printer, or a $1000 high volume printer.

They are in somewhat dusty retail hardware/lumberyard/building supply type stores.

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Don't let your paper get damp/dusty seems to be the way to avoid paper jams. Leave it in the waxy packet until it's ready to use, if you only print a couple of sheets each week then don't put the entire ream of paper into your printer.

Also, riffling the paper before you load it seems to help with breaking up any electrostatic charge the paper might hold due to friction.

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So the 4 series is getting hit hard according to early reports? Fuuuuuuuck, I just gave my wife my old Haswell desktop. She is going to be pissed when it suddenly slows down a ton.

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Desktop performance is likely to be minimally impacted. They specifically call out game performance is being mostly unaffected.

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