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"So lets put this simple ShoreTel hack together – the hackers gained control of a voice mail box, then called into the ShoreTel Voice Mail system with a spoofed Caller ID and the left a brief message. Calling back into the system, this time to check their voice messages and then hit the “return call” option key, which then placed a call to an International Middle East location all billed to the the ShoreTel system owner and showing up only as a Call Detail Record owned by the Automated Attendant."

In our case these bad men weren't calling a middle east location, they were... calling and hanging up in some cases? And some of the irate people calling in here said when they picked up someone was on the line trying to sell them insurance or scam them or some poo poo.

I opened the Shoretel trunk test tool and all our trunks were lighting up like Christmas trees as these vermin used their autodialer on us. It was incredible, never experienced anything like that before.

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"So lets put this simple ShoreTel hack together – the hackers gained control of a voice mail box, then called into the ShoreTel Voice Mail system with a spoofed Caller ID and the left a brief message. Calling back into the system, this time to check their voice messages and then hit the “return call” option key, which then placed a call to an International Middle East location all billed to the the ShoreTel system owner and showing up only as a Call Detail Record owned by the Automated Attendant."

In our case these bad men weren't calling a middle east location, they were... calling and hanging up in some cases? And some of the irate people calling in here said when they picked up someone was on the line trying to sell them insurance or scam them or some poo poo.

I opened the Shoretel trunk test tool and all our trunks were lighting up like Christmas trees as these vermin used their autodialer on us. It was incredible, never experienced anything like that before.

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"So lets put this simple ShoreTel hack together – the hackers gained control of a voice mail box, then called into the ShoreTel Voice Mail system with a spoofed Caller ID and the left a brief message. Calling back into the system, this time to check their voice messages and then hit the “return call” option key, which then placed a call to an International Middle East location all billed to the the ShoreTel system owner and showing up only as a Call Detail Record owned by the Automated Attendant."

In our case these bad men weren't calling a middle east location, they were... calling and hanging up in some cases? And some of the irate people calling in here said when they picked up someone was on the line trying to sell them insurance or scam them or some poo poo.

I opened the Shoretel trunk test tool and all our trunks were lighting up like Christmas trees as these vermin used their autodialer on us. It was incredible, never experienced anything like that before.

e: I think they compromised the user accounts whose voicemail password had never been changed from the default “12345”

I'm a shoretel admin (kill me)

Configuration and call records are stored in mysql databases that have default usernames and passwords and aren't limited to connections from localhost.

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This may be off-topic since it's more of a developer problem than an IT problem, but uughh I just have to vent somewhere

I built an inventory management system a couple of years ago for a small local boutique packaging company. They've been gradually moving their processes toward using it more and more, and I've been adding features as we go. Now they're finally at a stage where their incoming deliveries and outgoing shipments are all handled through the software and tracked so you can look at the history of every individual product and see what the quantity was after each transaction.

Since the early days there have been persistent issues with the quantity numbers not adding up. They'd open up the history for a product, trace all the incoming/outgoing transactions back from the current number to the beginning of time and find out that it doesn't add up to zero. I changed tactics several times, going back and forth between a "log the current quantity at the time of transaction" approach and a "just take the current number and calculate the historical numbers on the fly" approach, chasing software phantoms, the works. I told them that the only way I could see this happening was if someone was manually changing the quantity value, which naturally would screw up the historical counts. But they kept giving me the side-eye when I told them this.

Finally, a few months ago I added a global logging page that lets you see every event that changes the quantity for a given product, from what number to what number, along with the timestamp and the name of who did it. Immediately afterwards they emailed me asking me to look into a couple more discrepancies they'd found. "See," they said, "we took an incoming of 24 cases, but then we were doing reconciliation and found it comes out to only 22. Is there a glitch?"

I opened up the logs and sure enough, Joe the warehouse guy is in the logs manually changing 24 to 22, half an hour after taking an incoming of 24.

I told them this, and they said "ok thanks" and I never heard another word about it.

Until today. They sent me a flurry of new emails, with screenshots of the history showing a value of 239 that had mysteriously changed to 0, and a value of 67 that should have been 68, and then more emails with more discrepancies, all marked up with red screenshot circles and the strong implication that the software was glitching out and loving up their bookkeeping. "Also is there a way to get a search bar for the log page?"

I looked into each case. Every single one took five seconds to find the obvious glaring line where Joe had manually changed the quantity in inventory, resulting in exactly the discrepancy they're pointing out.

I'm writing back now, trying as delicately as I can to ask them whether they're, like, actually looking at the logs? Clearly they know about them because they're asking for more search features, but good lord you don't need them in order to see this. You click the little "Logs" link and up pops a window saying JOE CHANGED THE NUMBERS YOU FOOL.

Ugh now that I'm typing this out I'm realizing they probably aren't using the actual "Logs" link on the product itself (which filters to the product) and are instead launching the global log viewer which admittedly isn't very navigable so they probably can't figure out how to use it. But holy gently caress that link is in every single one of the marked-up screenshots they've inundated me with today

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So, Joe is embezzling?

Also, and I'm not trying to slam you, why can a user alter transaction logs? or have I misunderstood and he's actually changing the "received" items like a correction?

Nvm. I see he's actively adjusting the inventory counts and you're correctly logging that interaction.

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Since the early days there have been persistent issues with the quantity numbers not adding up. They'd open up the history for a product, trace all the incoming/outgoing transactions back from the current number to the beginning of time and find out that it doesn't add up to zero. I changed tactics several times, going back and forth between a "log the current quantity at the time of transaction" approach and a "just take the current number and calculate the historical numbers on the fly" approach, chasing software phantoms, the works. I told them that the only way I could see this happening was if someone was manually changing the quantity value, which naturally would screw up the historical counts. But they kept giving me the side-eye when I told them this.

Finally, a few months ago I added a global logging page that lets you see every event that changes the quantity for a given product, from what number to what number, along with the timestamp and the name of who did it. Immediately afterwards they emailed me asking me to look into a couple more discrepancies they'd found. "See," they said, "we took an incoming of 24 cases, but then we were doing reconciliation and found it comes out to only 22. Is there a glitch?"

I opened up the logs and sure enough, Joe the warehouse guy is in the logs manually changing 24 to 22, half an hour after taking an incoming of 24.

I told them this, and they said "ok thanks" and I never heard another word about it.

Until today. They sent me a flurry of new emails, with screenshots of the history showing a value of 239 that had mysteriously changed to 0, and a value of 67 that should have been 68, and then more emails with more discrepancies, all marked up with red screenshot circles and the strong implication that the software was glitching out and loving up their bookkeeping. "Also is there a way to get a search bar for the log page?"

I looked into each case. Every single one took five seconds to find the obvious glaring line where Joe had manually changed the quantity in inventory, resulting in exactly the discrepancy they're pointing out.

I'm writing back now, trying as delicately as I can to ask them whether they're, like, actually looking at the logs? Clearly they know about them because they're asking for more search features, but good lord you don't need them in order to see this. You click the little "Logs" link and up pops a window saying JOE CHANGED THE NUMBERS YOU FOOL.

Ugh now that I'm typing this out I'm realizing they probably aren't using the actual "Logs" link on the product itself (which filters to the product) and are instead launching the global log viewer which admittedly isn't very navigable so they probably can't figure out how to use it. But holy gently caress that link is in every single one of the marked-up screenshots they've inundated me with today

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It doesn't explain anything because, you see, the next email they're gonna send they will say that Bob, and Jane and John, and actually the entire floor is using Joe's credentials when using the system because nobody could be bothered to add more users to the system. So you are to blame for not knowing what's going on (obviously a software glitch, why did we even pay you?).

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When they're working, they hum along with nary a complaint. Until they don't and all hell breaks loose. And it's *always* something stupid like "oh, well. when we sourced the flash disk it was a bad lot. You'll have to turn off internal logging or it causes instability resulting in a lock-up".

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Shame because I actually like the feature-set and how things are organized for FortiGate's but their reliability is so poo poo I would never put them in production again as a network engineer if I had the option.

When we first got them, we were breaking the internal storage because we had logging turned on, so we switched over to Foritcloud after they realized that was hapening to people (took them two months) and pushed out some updates.

I also just racked a couple of those for my old employer, they switched to Fortigate company-wide....ugh

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