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Zodiac5000
Jun 19, 2006

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Alright, Zodiac, look: I think I owe you an apology for being so pithy. CineD is a little on edge because I don’t think we’ve had any non-regulars come in here to talk about these movies in good faith in literal years, and you are attempting that, which I appreciate.

Asking for evidence to support the scenes of people agreeing with/supporting Thanos led to you folks deciding I must think we aren't allowed to criticize comic book films. I jokingly agreed that Tony was irresponsible in bringing Spidey to the civil war fight and was informed I confused characterization for power levels and very pedantically informed how deeply wrong a bunch of people who said the movie had amazing writing (something I NEVER BROUGHT UP OR WANTED TO TALK ABOUT) are, and that I was clearly one of them.

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Jun 9, 2007



People aren’t taking you seriously because you are using way too many words to write stuff like this:

“The logical endpoint of Tony's current tech level is utopia, right? If we think about it for like ten seconds we come to (infinite energy + extremely articulated autonomous self-repairing worker drones) + assumption of benevolence = utopia, right?”

And that’s covertly the entire basis of your argument: that because the technological singularity has already taken place, conflicts can only take the form of apolitical petty drama. Tony is jealous of Steve’s new girlfriend.

This is because you don’t actually like the movies, which do not depict a utopia - not even a utopia ‘corrupted’ by infighting. The MCU is a hellscape. The trillions of dead aren’t background noise.

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People aren’t taking you seriously because you are using way too many words to write stuff like this:

“The logical endpoint of Tony's current tech level is utopia, right? If we think about it for like ten seconds we come to (infinite energy + extremely articulated autonomous self-repairing worker drones) + assumption of benevolence = utopia, right?”

And that’s covertly the entire basis of your argument: that because the technological singularity has already taken place, conflicts can only take the form of apolitical petty drama. Tony is jealous of Steve’s new girlfriend.

This is because you don’t actually like the movies, which do not depict a utopia - not even a utopia ‘corrupted’ by infighting. The MCU is a hellscape. The trillions of dead aren’t background noise.

People keep using "trillions" to refer to the snap, which sort of makes sense because it's the largest number in popular use. Technically, the term for half the life in the universe universe (or even Earth, counting stuff like bacteriophages) is "an uncountably large number." Which is funny considering the sort of comically low casualty numbers in the previous films.

This has been my daily pedantry, thanks for reading.

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People keep using "trillions" to refer to the snap, which sort of makes sense because it's the largest number in popular use. Technically, the term for half the life in the universe universe (or even Earth, counting stuff like bacteriophages) is "an uncountably large number." Which is funny considering the sort of comically low casualty numbers in the previous films.

This has been my daily pedantry, thanks for reading.

This is the part where consequences might actually be important, because it was just casually (albeit poorly) revealed that the MCU takes place inside a simulation much smaller than our own reality.

The simulation has a population of roughly ten trillion “souls”.

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This is the part where consequences might actually be important, because it was just casually (albeit poorly) revealed that the MCU takes place inside a simulation much smaller than our own reality.

The simulation has a population of roughly ten trillion “souls”.

I see.

The philosophical difference between a "simulation" and an ordinary universe, however, is that one is called a "simulation." (The smaller size being the practical difference).

(The philosophical and practical difference between the makers of such a simulation and god is that it allows various people to reveal their lack of simple insight into the topic).

e: when the current MCU is destroyed, a new Infinity Gem will be created which will allow the simulation to run scenarios at least as interesting as a Zach Snyder script. Presumably, before the Soul Gem was created, every universe was populated by p-zombies. When you consider that the Reality, Time, Mind, and Space gems had to be created first, it paints a rather bleak picture of the previous universes. Depending on your interpretation of "Power," this is the first or second MCU that approaches our own in terms of habitability by human-like intelligence.

For example, if "Power" means energy, it had to be one of the first gems, preceding Time and Space, let alone Mind or Soul. If it means agency, however, then it came immediately before the current MCU and every aspect of the previous universe was simply overdetermined to such a degree that there was no room for the beings within it to exercise any form of decision-making.

more e: If you think about it, it makes sense for each universe to be the test run of the concept which would eventually form into the resulting gem. If there was no simulated reality, what would the Reality Gem form from? So the God/s made the Reality Gem, then used it to run a simulation to make Space (or possibly Power), then Time. Then they had a basic universe which can be inhabited by minds to make a Mind Gem from. Then they had something interesting to work with.

Presumably, this is, from our perspective, the Plot Gem universe, although the inhabitants of the next will probably call it the Fate Gem.

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Asking for evidence to support the scenes of people agreeing with/supporting Thanos led to you folks deciding I must think we aren't allowed to criticize comic book films. I jokingly agreed that Tony was irresponsible in bringing Spidey to the civil war fight and was informed I confused characterization for power levels and very pedantically informed how deeply wrong a bunch of people who said the movie had amazing writing (something I NEVER BROUGHT UP OR WANTED TO TALK ABOUT) are, and that I was clearly one of them.

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Which is funny considering the sort of comically low casualty numbers in the previous films.

"Thanos Snapped: Hundreds dead" should be the headline of a random newspaper in the background in Defenders or something.

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You keep posting long explanations to explain/excuse dumb/lazy creative decisions in these movies, and when people say that it doesn't make said decisions any less dumb/lazy (and explain why they find it such) you get defensive. If you agree it's dumb/lazy, then there's no need to post the long overwrought rationalization of the dumb/lazy creative decisions, you can just go "yeah, that's dumb".

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"Thanos Snapped: Hundreds dead" should be the headline of a random newspaper in the background in Defenders or something.

"Mad Titan Evidently Unaware of Stark Post-Scarcity Technology" could be the byline!

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You keep posting long explanations to explain/excuse dumb/lazy creative decisions in these movies, and when people say that it doesn't make said decisions any less dumb/lazy (and explain why they find it such) you get defensive. If you agree it's dumb/lazy, then there's no need to post the long overwrought rationalization of the dumb/lazy creative decisions, you can just go "yeah, that's dumb".

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"Thanos Snapped: Hundreds dead" should be the headline of a random newspaper in the background in Defenders or something.

It says a lot about the writing of the MCU that the supposed tragedy of Thanos’ victory at the end of Infinity War is focused entirely on All Ur Favs, rather than naked lunch plot summary half the entire loving universe being wiped out. Like to people who buy into that ending, my question is, were you sad that half the universe was murdered, or that naked muscle women videos Spider-Man was sad?

And people have the audacity of making hay of the destruction of Metropolis in MoS. At least those losses were given fair consideration.

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It says a lot about the writing of the MCU that the supposed tragedy of Thanos’ victory at the end of Infinity War is focused entirely on All Ur Favs, rather than top celebrity nude scene half the entire loving universe being wiped out. Like to people who buy into that ending, my question is, were you sad that half the universe was murdered, or that goku and vegeta sex Spider-Man was sad?

And people have the audacity of making hay of the destruction of Metropolis in MoS. At least those losses were given fair consideration.

I pointed out the movie's weird lack of interest in showing normal people react to this rapture-like event, and I got couple of "uh, did you see the post-credits scene?" responses. Wow, a few citizens got dusted, I'm truly emotionally devastated by this galactic apocalypse.

I'm not saying IW should have had a long scene of every single planet affected by the snap, but you can't have such massive stakes and then treat the very people the heroes were trying to protect as an afterthought shoved into a post-credit scene.

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I pointed out the movie's weird lack of interest in showing normal people react to this rapture-like event, and I got couple of "uh, did you see the post-credits scene?" responses. Wow, a few citizens got dusted, I'm truly emotionally devastated by this galactic apocalypse.

I'm not saying IW should have had a long scene of every single planet affected by the snap, but you can't have such massive stakes and then treat the very people the heroes were trying to protect as an afterthought shoved into a post-credit scene.

A post-credit scene where the focus wasn't even on them, to boot. They were an afterthought to an afterthought.

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I pointed out the movie's weird lack of interest in showing normal people react to this rapture-like event, and I got couple of "uh, did you see the post-credits scene?" responses. Wow, a few citizens got dusted, I'm truly emotionally devastated by this galactic apocalypse.

Just put it next to a real movie like War of the Worlds 2005 and see how ridiculous it is.

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The responses to that were extremely similar to the responses from this most previous argument:

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I feel like they could have shown Spider-Man’s hot mom or girlfriend dying, but they probably didn’t want to pay and knew people would go, “who the hell is that?” And there aren’t really other supporting characters in any of the other movies even there to get killed back on Earth. I guess Stan Lee (in 2017)?

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I feel like they could have shown Spider-Man’s hot mom or girlfriend dying, but they probably didn’t want to pay and knew people would go, “who the hell is that?” And there aren’t really other supporting characters in any of the other movies even there to get killed back on Earth. I guess Stan Lee (in 2017)?

We saw enough supporting cast that you could bounce around to see what's happening through their eyes if we arab girls having sex really needed someone who had appeared in the movie to be that focal point: Pepper, Ned, Wong, Ross, just off the tip top of my head

I don't think you need an actual named character to be that focal point tho, Guardians 2 did fine flashing all the way back to Earth (where literally no characters relevant to that series existed) to show the blue blobs attacking.

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The responses to that were extremely similar to the responses from this most previous argument:

i.e. "what do you want them to do, pics of oral sex show stuff? Where exactly would they even add that in??"

I don't think this is accurate and Equeen is being somewhat disingenuous with portraying that exchange. He/She said "the movie doesn't show a single person effected by the snap", and based the 'movie is disinterested' premise on that. The credits scene was pointed out and Equeen apologized for being wrong. Nobody commented on how the after credit scene should make people care.

The "When should this be done" topic wasn't really mined until you brought up Rhodes, I think? I gave an example of how his behavior changed and asked what kind of a scene folks wanted and when it should be, but it never really got responded to, it may have gotten lost though, at that point McCloud informed me that some people think the MCU is art, and I called them morons, and we had the last page's kerfuffle.

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And that’s covertly the entire basis of your argument: that because the technological singularity has already taken place, conflicts can only take the form of apolitical petty drama. Tony is jealous of Steve’s new girlfriend.

This is because you don’t actually like the movies, which do not depict a utopia - not even a utopia ‘corrupted’ by infighting. The MCU is a hellscape. The trillions of dead aren’t background noise.

What? My problem is that the Marvel Universe isn't a Utopia? I'm not following this train at all. I called the MCU horrifying. I would probably call all the dead folks background noise though. They're not really who I was interested in at least.

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I don't think this is accurate and Equeen is being somewhat disingenuous with portraying that exchange. He/She said "the movie doesn't show a single person effected by the snap", and based the 'movie is disinterested' premise on that. The credits scene was pointed out and Equeen apologized for being wrong. Nobody commented on how the after credit scene should make people care.

The "When should this be done" topic wasn't really mined until you brought up Rhodes, I think? I gave an example of how his behavior changed and asked what kind of a scene folks wanted and when it should be, but it never really got responded to, it may have gotten lost though, at that point McCloud informed me that some people think the MCU is art, and I called them morons, and we had the last page's kerfuffle.

I realize that I conflated Equeen's comment with an earlier (like way earlier, shortly after the movie came out) argument about how they should have focused a lot more screen time on the big apocalyptic event at the end of the movie. There were defenses that were about how it wasn't necessary that I am just describing in a flippant manner.

There was the Rhodes thing but there was also the slightly earlier example you gave about how they could have shown the influence of Stark's technology in the form of hologram watches in the background. Again though, I was mostly just being flippant for comic effect.

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What? My problem is that the Marvel Universe isn't a Utopia? I'm not following this train at all. I called the MCU horrifying. I would probably call all the dead folks background noise though. They're not really who I was interested in at least.

You did not write that the films are horrifying. You wrote that the films would be horrifying if they were not comic book fantasies.

But since they are comic books you force yourself to “accept” that the characters are spring break nude pic a priori good, and focus exclusively on the mild interpersonal dramas because you believe you aren’t supposed to think about anything else.

In a frankly bizarre double-deflection, your stance is that the films do not depict a dystopia but a utopia merely corrupted by the ‘mental illness’ of the hero characters - while also insisting we should ignore the mental illness because that detracts from the heroism fantasy.

We are not supposed to think about society. We are not supposed to think about anything at all except the bare dynamics of Tony and Steve. Even thinking of them as boss and employee is going too far. Tony and Steve are upset with eachother because Tony was mean to Wanda. That’s it.

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