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Working outside in the winter can really suck. Also I get bad seasonal depression which makes it even worse.

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I'll give winter this: it's much nicer and easier to deal with than a place that gets up to the mid-30s in summer on a regular basis, especially if humidity is involved. gently caress that poo poo.

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Working outside in the winter can really suck. Also I get bad seasonal depression which makes it even worse.

Ok, I will grant this. I work indoors but doing labor, like construction or what have you, is terrible in winter. On the plus side, if you know how to do road construction, you will never go hungry in the great plains.

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I like Denver. Not too hot, not too cold, not too humid. Close to beautiful mountains, but still has big-little-city amenities. 300+ days of sun a year, rarely rains. It could be a little less racially homogenous and could do better with affordable housing, as well as on some other progressive topics, but it's a pretty cool place.

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I like Denver. Not too hot, not too cold, not too humid. Close to beautiful mountains, but still has big-little-city amenities. 300+ days of sun a year, rarely rains. It could be a little less racially homogenous and could do better with affordable housing, as well as on some other progressive topics, but it's a pretty cool place.

I worry about that a little bit when I think of places in the west or mid-west that probably have way better climates and cost of living than the DC-Area.I think I would be weirded out if it was all other white people all the time? Am i going to have to deal with people who are mildly racist or even outright racist? Will I have to deal with Republicans all the time? Really forthright religious people? I've been an atheist for my entire life so it's not like a fighting thing, it just is what it is, and I'm a reasonably normal person who gets along with everyone as much as you can believe that on the internet. I can travel easily and fit in because I'm white and I have boobs and I'm a pleasant person to deal with, but there is a point where I couldn't possibly put up with that poo poo.

Still, how much racism or sexism (edit* and COUNTRY MUSIC) would you trade for a house that is 1/4 the cost of where you lived before? I dunno = like 20% racism?? Does that make me a bad person, or just cost-effective?

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I worry about that a little bit when I think of places in the west or mid-west that probably have way better climates and cost of living than the DC-Area.I think I would be weirded out if it was all other white people all the time? Am i going to have to deal with people who are mildly racist or even outright racist? Will I have to deal with Republicans all the time? Really forthright religious people? I've been an atheist for my entire life so it's not like a fighting thing, it just is what it is, and I'm a reasonably normal person who gets along with everyone as much as you can believe that on the internet. I can travel easily and fit in because I'm white and I have boobs and I'm a pleasant person to deal with, but there is a point where I couldn't possibly put up with that poo poo.

Still, how much racism or sexism (edit* and COUNTRY MUSIC) would you trade for a house that is 1/4 the cost of where you lived before? I dunno = like 20% racism?? Does that make me a bad person, or just cost-effective?

So, Denver is one of the largest and most progressive cities in the West, at least until you get to the coast. While it's almost certainly cheaper than the DC area, it is not a rural area like you seem to be thinking. I couldn't live somewhere that was majority racist, religious, sexists, or COUNTRY MUSIC. It's just a lot more white than I am used to, growing up in South Florida. It's something you'd notice coming from DC. It's also a very solidly Democratic town. Looking at the Wikipedia articles for both hannah hilton sex doll and scene girls nude videos, the 2016 Presidential Election was 73.7% Democratic voters and 90.9% Democratic voters, respectively. Not all that far off.

As to your question on whether a lower cost of living is worth putting up with those negatives, I can't say since I've never made that choice, but my thoughts are that it isn't. Plus, if you are working somewhere with lower cost of living you're possibly making less as well. To my mind that makes it easier to get "stuck" and not be as easy to move out.

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So, Denver is one of the largest and most progressive cities in the West, at least until you get to the coast. While it's almost certainly cheaper than the DC area, it is not a rural area like you seem to be thinking. I couldn't live somewhere that was majority racist, religious, sexists, or COUNTRY MUSIC. It's just a lot more white than I am used to, growing up in South Florida. It's something you'd notice coming from DC. It's also a very solidly Democratic town. Looking at the Wikipedia articles for both sexiest movie sex scene and japan group sex video, the 2016 Presidential Election was 73.7% Democratic voters and 90.9% Democratic voters, respectively. Not all that far off.

As to your question on whether a lower cost of living is worth putting up with those negatives, I can't say since I've never made that choice, but my thoughts are that it isn't. Plus, if you are working somewhere with lower cost of living you're possibly making less as well. To my mind that makes it easier to get "stuck" and not be as easy to move out.

I understand why you got a bit salty lol. I'm sure Denver is quite metropolitan and diverse, but what I'm talking about is getting that house that's 30 minutes to an hour out of the major town for the huge discount. That red-ness outside of cities is pretty universal and not a dig at your particular town. I can drive like an hour south or west of Fairfax and literally hear the N-word in casual conversation. (RARE) It's freaky though! I am also aware that Northern VA is one of the most diverse places in the whole united states. We have loads of Koreans, Pakistanis, blacks, whites, Hispanics from about 10 different south American countries. Lots more, but I'm not gonna name every country that my friend's parent's are from. Honestly I really only think about it when I think about moving.

I have worked at a couple internet providers and left on good terms, so I could easily do phone support for tech or general support so my physical location would not change my income level too badly(beyond high-basic). I couldn't make tons this way, but I won't ever be on $4.00 an hour.

Would you really not put up with a bit of racism or sexism for the cheap-rear end housing? I dunno. it would depend on how pervasive it was and the quality of the other services. I think my 20% still stands for me. I can deal with a couple winks and even the occasional butt-tap if I'm paying something ridiculously small like a $500 a month mortgage, and I have my own house overlooking a lake.

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And it's awesome. Winter is the best. And it's gorgeous when it snows. Putting on a real coat is easy, and 85% of winters problems disappear when you do. The rest is solved by driving slowly, which is also easy.

Seriously, winter is good and awesome. It flabbergasts me that there are people who don't like it.

When it's 15 degrees out with a 20 mph wind that makes it feel like -25, it doesn't really matter that you have a good coat on. Every part of visible skin freezes. You have to shuffle across parking lots so you don't fall on your rear end and break something.

It was literally -20 on new years this year. That isn't typical, but jesus loving christ.


I think I'd prefer to live somewhere like Boulder Colorado. Somewhere with easy access to trails to run/hike on. And weather that isn't miserable in the winter.

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Denver/Boulder/Colorado Springs are all on the list for where my wife and I want to move in 3-5 years. We both love the state, visit at least once a year, but are trying to hit the sweet spot of big enough to have jobs for a commercial architect, but small enough that we can get some reasonably-priced LAND land within a 45 minute commute.

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Colorado Springs is likely something you'll want to avoid unless you're a hardcore libertarian religious-type.

[Edit: Like, straight up, someone who lives in Boulder would never want to live in Colorado Springs and someone who lives in Colorado Springs would never want to live in Boulder. The venn diagram are two circles who do not meet.]

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I used to live in a lovely suburb/village of London called Highgate, which is verdant and lovely, has loads of character and history and is a short tube ride away from the centre of town. When my wife and I started to make children we moved out of London so we could afford to live in something bigger than a shoebox. I've since moved even further out, and while my house is great, and I love the clean air and lack of noise and light pollution, I was right near my old area on Saturday (outdoor John Williams concert at Kenwood with the Royal Philharmonic) and had a few pangs of longing.

When my kids grow up and, assuming my business goes as planned and it is financially feasible, I'd definitely strongly consider moving back into the Highgate/Hampstead area, so I can be close to the cultural delights of the centre of London, while still surrounded by pleasant greenery and nice places to walk dogs.

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With kids? Denver or Portland areas, a bit outside the city with some land and a 4 bedroom house.

As a retired person? Perhaps in the Austrian Alps or in southern Bavaria. Also Kauai, Hawaii on one of the $30 million properties overlooking Kalihiwai Bay.

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And it's awesome. Winter is the best. And it's gorgeous when it snows. Putting on a real coat is easy, and 85% of winters problems disappear when you do. The rest is solved by driving slowly, which is also easy.

Seriously, winter is good and awesome. It flabbergasts me that there are people who don't like it.

I hate being cold. That is why I'm settling long-term in Phoenix. Regardless of what else I could afford, I don't wanna leave. Sunshine and tacos forever.

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The heat destroys me. I have pictures of me running around on 2" thick ice in the parking lot in a tank top this past January in West Virginia.

I am currently in Georgia.

I want to move to Vermont. Or maybe Montana. But I'm very nervous about Yellowstone going kablooie, so probably Vermont.

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I am currently in Georgia.

I want to move to Vermont. Or maybe Montana. But I'm very nervous about Yellowstone going kablooie, so probably Vermont.

when yellowstone goes you want to be right on it because its going to destroy american agriculture and with the way the worlds going not being a bread basket is going to kill america.


I would need a time machine because I want to settle down in a town that no longer exsists because hipsters gentrified my child hood home.

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I hate being cold. That is why I'm settling long-term in Phoenix. Regardless of what else I could afford, I don't wanna leave. Sunshine and tacos forever.

This is all so funny,. For those outside of the U.S.A., it;s really big an DURRRH thing for people from the northeast (VA,DC, MD, CT, PA, NJ) etc to move to Florida when they retire. I have met a ton of Brits that retire to Florida as well.

Then a lot of people that grew up and lived where it was WAY TOO drat HOT all the time, like Mississippi or Western Georgia, or NC. or VA or D.C (that horrible swamp city)., of moving to the upper-Midwest like Colorado or crazy upstate NY or something. Where you don't sweat through 3 layers of clothes on the way to a funeral, but it never happens because nobody from the Easy Coast has easy family there.

but most people from the east coast, even though most of these counTIES are the top 10 most expensive in the USA, NEVER think of moving to California. The weather would be a huge plus, but its just barely more expensive than DC/MD/VA and it's chock full of people that actually pretend that KALE TASTES GOOD and take yoga 4 times a week, and anyone that is anyone is D.C. is way too busy for that poo poo. And it's not a lib/dem thing.. nobody has time for that granola retardedness. At least that is the thought.

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I would need a time machine because I want to settle down in a town that no longer exsists because hipsters gentrified my child hood home.

Hardly, we'll lose the ability to eat the tremendous amounts of meat in our diet, but the rest of the US would be fine with only the farmland east of the Mississippi. We have a lot of farmland.

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I'd want to relax somewhere quiet, warm, with a stable internet connection, but enough of a social culture that people actually go out at night.

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I'm not even rendering deserved judgement on the florida populace, it's that I've lived in SC forever and the thought of going someplace where the weather is the same, but more, gives me the skin crawls.

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I'm not even rendering deserved judgement on the florida populace, it's that I've lived in SC forever and the thought of going someplace where the weather is the same, but more, gives me the skin crawls.

Coming from Texas, I'm 50/50 on Florida weather. You get even longer sweltering summers and the gulf coast is the only bit that has anything akin to winter, but otoh, you get good ocean breezes and plenty of cooler, cloudy days. Back home, it's just six to nine months of blazing cloudless heat and a ten-hour drive to anywhere with water.

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I'd probably go with somewhere on the Lofoten Islands in the summer, then Cloudcroft, New Mexico when the permanent night stuff starts. Lofoten was the favorite place I've been, but I don't think I could take the winters, I need sunlight.

Honorable mention goes to somewhere around Bern, Switzerland, maybe around one of the lakes by Interlaken. I'd have to get fluent in German though which sounds like a lot of work so I'll just go with my first answer.

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The heat destroys me. I have pictures of me running around on 2" thick ice in the parking lot in a tank top this past January in West Virginia.

I am currently in Georgia.

I want to move to Vermont. Or maybe Montana. But I'm very nervous about Yellowstone going kablooie, so probably Vermont.

Southern transplant to New England here — unfortunately the heat and humidity are often just as bad as where I grew up, and no one here has central AC to boot. So you get the crippling humidity combined with crippling winters!

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