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D'you think it's really past it's peak? It's more popular than it's ever been and "Drag Race Drag" and the associated lingo has become remarkably mainstream. I think she'll be riding this one out for years to come.

It's past its peak in the sense that it's fully mainstream and will now slowly lose its original core audience. It may run for seasons to come but nobody is going to think of any of those seasons as classics and it's gonna generate less and less buzz. It's just impossible to hold onto the original queer spark that made the show feel special when they keep trying to make sure nothing makes the straight audience uncomfortable.

Maybe they will reverse this trend but it doesn't feel likely given everything we know about wow.

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What we all want to see is more of these queens on our TV. The wrong choice would be to pump out All Stars, slowly scraping the bottom of the barrel until it's cast by people like India Farrah and Nicole Page Brooks, unless they want to start having the more memorable queens queen be on 2, 3, or even 4 times.

I've talked before about doing a round table talk show with the queens, maybe with a rotating cast of a core 10 or so permanent hosts, with spots on each show for queens not in the regular rotation and other guest stars. Have them talk about pop culture and hot guys, and have time for a queen to perform something sickening that they've been working on.

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All-Stars is going to burn itself out eventually, there's no way it can help itself if they do a season every year. I doubt that WoW is thinking of an endgame for when that happens, but they don't have to yet.

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I've talked before about doing a round table talk show with the queens, maybe with a rotating cast of a core 10 or so permanent hosts, with spots on each show for queens not in the regular rotation and other guest stars. Have them talk about pop culture and hot guys, and have time for a queen to perform something sickening that they've been working on.

I'd love a Drag version of The View or The Talk (The Tuck?), but once again I don't trust WoW to pull it off... someone else would need to put it together and make it financially viable for the queens.

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All-Stars is going to burn itself out eventually, there's no way it can help itself if they do a season every year. I doubt that WoW is thinking of an endgame for when that happens, but they don't have to yet.


I'd love a Drag version of The View or The Talk (The Tuck?), but once again I don't trust WoW to pull it off... someone else would need to put it together and make it financially viable for the queens.

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Bob the Drag Queen was just announced to have a supporting role in Netflix's Tales of the City revival.

Nothing much to say yet but I'M SO HAPPY WE'RE GETTING MORE TALES (and the original Brian back! and what's his name from Looking as Mouse and Olympia Dukakis and Laura Linney and.. )

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What we all want to see is more of these queens on our TV. The wrong choice would be to pump out All Stars, slowly scraping the bottom of the barrel until it's cast by people like India Farrah and Nicole Page Brooks, unless they want to start having the more memorable queens queen be on 2, 3, or even 4 times.

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I would unironically love to see India Ferrah and NPBFAG come back ngl

What they need to do is start mixing up All Stars seasons with Rudemption seasons.
There were some legitimately awful queens that went home first and second, yes, but also had waaaaay more in them.


Off the top of my head:
-TONS of people were very excited to see Magnolia Crawford on the show, only to have her go home immediately to a sewing challenge.
-I know I'd love to see more of what April Carrion has to offer- her drag was gorgeous and she got ousted early by being type cast as something she's not three episodes in a row.
-Max had some good drag and drama in her (despite it being pretty clear she won't return at this point)
-Laila McQueen and Dax Exclamation Point had a whole two minutes of screen time each, both being the weirdo/alt girls of the season

Sure, in all likelihood it wouldn't be as exciting as ordinary seasons, but that's basically what All Stars is meant to be already right?
I think there's a ton of legitimate (and illegitimate) talent hiding in those early elim girls!

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It's almost more interesting to bring back queens who didn't do well, see which ones actually used that time to grow as performers.

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What they need to do is start mixing up All Stars seasons with Rudemption seasons.
There were some legitimately awful queens that went home first and second, yes, but also had waaaaay more in them.


Off the top of my head:
-TONS of people were very excited to see Magnolia Crawford on the show, only to have her go home immediately to a sewing challenge.
-I know I'd love to see more of what April Carrion has to offer- her drag was gorgeous and she got ousted early by being type cast as something she's not three episodes in a row.
-Max had some good drag and drama in her (despite it being pretty clear she won't return at this point)
-Laila McQueen and Dax Exclamation Point had a whole two minutes of screen time each, both being the weirdo/alt girls of the season

Sure, in all likelihood it wouldn't be as exciting as ordinary seasons, but that's basically what All Stars is meant to be already right?
I think there's a ton of legitimate (and illegitimate) talent hiding in those early elim girls!

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What they need to do is start mixing up All Stars seasons with Rudemption seasons.
There were some legitimately awful queens that went home first and second, yes, but also had waaaaay more in them.


Off the top of my head:
-TONS of people were very excited to see Magnolia Crawford on the show, only to have her go home immediately to a sewing challenge.
-I know I'd love to see more of what April Carrion has to offer- her drag was gorgeous and she got ousted early by being type cast as something she's not three episodes in a row.
-Max had some good drag and drama in her (despite it being pretty clear she won't return at this point)
-Laila McQueen and Dax Exclamation Point had a whole two minutes of screen time each, both being the weirdo/alt girls of the season

Sure, in all likelihood it wouldn't be as exciting as ordinary seasons, but that's basically what All Stars is meant to be already right?
I think there's a ton of legitimate (and illegitimate) talent hiding in those early elim girls!

I'm into all of that as long as it's not billed as an All-Stars. Do a regular season, bring back not necessarily first boots, but queens that have a lot of talent but just floundered for whatever reason. Maybe even half new queens, half rudemptions, like they do with Survivor a lot (although the returnees I think have always won in fans vs favorites seasons).

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Bob the Drag Queen was just announced to have a supporting role in Netflix's Tales of the City revival.

Nothing much to say yet but I'M SO HAPPY WE'RE GETTING MORE TALES (and the original Brian back! and what's his name from Looking as Mouse and Olympia Dukakis and Laura Linney and.. )

I've never seen the original, but I love Laura Linney, and they filmed the series in the apartment across the hall from my friend (facebook friends, haven't seen each other in person in years).

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It's past its peak in the sense that it's fully mainstream and will now slowly lose its original core audience. It may run for seasons to come but nobody is going to think of any of those seasons as classics and it's gonna generate less and less buzz. It's just impossible to hold onto the original queer spark that made the show feel special when they keep trying to make sure nothing makes the straight audience uncomfortable.

Maybe they will reverse this trend but it doesn't feel likely given everything we know about wow.

This is exactly what I was trying to get at, and you worded it far better than I would have!

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~~rudemption season idea~~

I would love this. If they alternated a new season every other year between All Stars and Rudemptions, I think they could keep it going much longer without becoming stale.

I really think they could expand the types of queens represented in the show (more trans performers, drag kings, genderfuck, bioqueens, more punk drag) and have every season feel as revelatory and unique as the early seasons, but that wouldn't be Ru's brand, unfortunately.

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some choice bits from this week's race chaser:

- Tyra threw lettuce and tomato at a waitress at the hotel restaurant because her burger arrived open-face and she wasn't familiar with that/it upset her. Some of the girls had to go and apologize for this.
- Pandora said that for season 2 they didn't get a list of required looks, just a letter that mentioned 3-4 definite looks. As a result, many girls were wildly unprepared.
- Before the season started Raven went and commented on every girl's myspace page with the music video of the song they lip-synced when they were sent home.

Probably forgetting some other juicy stuff but eh. Pandora was a fun guest.

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some choice bits from this week's race chaser:

- Tyra threw lettuce and tomato at a waitress at the hotel restaurant because her burger arrived open-face and she wasn't familiar with that/it upset her. Some of the girls had to go and apologize for this.
- Pandora said that for season 2 they didn't get a list of required looks, just a letter that mentioned 3-4 definite looks. As a result, many girls were wildly unprepared.
- Before the season started Raven went and commented on every girl's myspace page with the music video of the song they lip-synced when they were sent home.

Probably forgetting some other juicy stuff but eh. Pandora was a fun guest.

Pandora also said that Tyra tried to throw punches at Tatiana for criticizing Beyonce.

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I'm surprised the tea about Tyra coming to Tati's room trying to hook up one night hasn't been spilled on the podcast yet lmao. Wonder if Tati will ever do that in the Tidbits section or just leave it be.

e: also i loving loved that raven story about myspace lmfao. pandora also said raven personally apologized about the confessional where after pandy left, raven said she never saw her as a star anyway.

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Looks like Gia might be transitioning?

She's been out for ages. She just finally got the money for a breast augmentation.

To be clear: transition is a process that may include medical interventions but does not require them. She has been transitioning for a long time.

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